should we just close down the election process and allow

[INdemo]

Hillary to take the oath of office this coming January instead of waiting 1 year.
Just think of all the money Wall St and the corporate mafia would save $$$
"Clinton, judged winner of debate, holds big national lead over Sanders"

Every day the polls change giving Hillary a larger lead. This Afternoon CNN could take another poll, ask another 50 or 60
Hillary supporters who they plan to vote and report that Hillary takes an even larger lead on their evening broadcast.

I mean cone on..It is about as ridiculous as was the example I just gave.
Elections are not won by polls if they were Hillary would have taken her oath of office on January 20th 2009

[sufrommich]

1. This is the election process.nt

[Armstead]

15. No it isn't. It's Corporate Salesmnship and Media Reality TV

[sufrommich]

17. Polls have always been part of the process.What

makes it "reality tv" now?

[Armstead]

22. And they've always been a problem

I realize this is not an ideal world, but it'd be a lot healthier if people were able to hear ad see candidates, and make decisions over time, based on their own perceptions, observations and opinions -- instead of their view always being skewed by the "who's up today, whose down, who's hot or hot...yadda, yadda yadda" crap.

Polls are a way to determine what public preferences seem to be at a moment in time, but it becomes a self-fulfilling feedback loop, and often is distorted.

But this hyperfocus on them, and the amped-up racehorse coverage, is detrimental to actual campaigning and elections based on sound judgment.

[Gman]

2. I'm all for that

Let's do it.

[redstateblues]

3. Any poll not favorable to Bernie is bogus

Obviously manipulated by corporatist, neo-lib, third wayer, DINOs

[firebrand80]

10. someone should unskew them

[sufrommich]

11. I'm sure H.A.Goodman is typing furiously as we speak.

[Metric System]

41. I'm hyperventilating! Good one and so accurate.

[brooklynite]

4. And your point is what?

We have an election next year. We have people who've decided who to vote for THIS year? Assessing that is newsworthy.

What exactly should we be discussing, in your opinion?

[INdemo]

5. I didnt say it was bogus I said it was

ridiculous. Take a look at the number of samplings..Just enough to call it a poll and just enough to be reported as such

[brooklynite]

6. That's why I don't look at polls, I look at poll trendlines.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. That trendline doesn't include the ABC-WAPO and WSJ-NBC Poll

Expect it to grow more.

[JaneyVee]

13. ABC/WaPo trend:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. TY

They need to add the very latest batch of polls to the Huff Po average.

[Agschmid]

7. No.

[NCTraveler]

8. This is no different than "Obama isn't going to leave office!!!!!!!"

The process you are claiming isn't happening, is happening before your very eyes.

[onehandle]

9. Yes.

I stopped reading after your subject line.

[JaneyVee]

14. Ok.

[stevenleser]

16. Sure. You figure out how we can make that happen Constitutionally and get back to us.

[TexasBushwhacker]

19. All this after a single debate!

There are 5 more debates and we have another 4 months until the first primaries. It ain't over til it's over.

[Robbins]

20. There are going to be only 3 more

and very few people will be able to see them.

at least we know now there is no place for liberals and progressives In Democratic party anymore.

[TexasBushwhacker]

23. 3 more before the primaries start

2 more in February and March.

[liberal_at_heart]

25. exactly and by design too. The DNC has limited how much exposure the other candidates

get before the primary. Personally I find what the DNC is doing just as dirty and nasty as what the Republicans do to suppress votes.

[George II]

33. All summer there was clamoring for a debate so Sanders could get more exposure.

A debate was held last week and Sanders has dropped in just about every poll that has been released since last Tuesday.

[oasis]

46. "It's My Party And I'll Cry If I Want To"

You would cry too if it happened to you.

[George II]

50. Clever.....enjoy:

[Robbins]

26. They aren't going to happen

only happen if there are setbacks for Clinton which doesn't seem likely anymore since nearly 60% of dems are prepared to vote for
her no matter what.

[in_cog_ni_to]

21. Remember - those polls are by CORPORATE OWNED ENTITIES! I don't pay any attention to them.

If online polls are bogus, so are these. Do we trust CORPORATE Owned pollsters? I don't.

[Cali_Democrat]

31. You should create your own polling website

Perhaps you could call it www.unskewedpolls.com

[WI_DEM]

24. I'm sorry but Bernie supporters tout any poll that shows there candidate leading (such as NH)

or gaining nationally--both sides (Clinton and Sanders) tout polls...I'm not saying it's right but that's the way it is.

[Robbins]

28. why do you care

If polling is right many of the Sanders supporters will soon be gone from DU.All centrists have won and it will have been proven there is no place for Liberals and progressives In Democratic party.the democratic party is center right Party.

[emulatorloo]

32. Dem party has long been a big tent.

Conservative, middle of the road, liberals.

Reps used to have liberals and centrists as well, but most of them now are John birch style right-wing extremists.

[Robbins]

34. It's clear now

The democratic party is clearly centrist.liberals have no place anymore.

MSM and GOP will keep calling Dems liberals but that is big lie.

[emulatorloo]

37. There are liberal Dems in the House and Senate

Democrats elected them.

[Robbins]

40. they are minority

and even some supossed liberals are supporting corporist centrist Clinton.

[emulatorloo]

42. Just because Rep John Lewis has a different choice for President than you and I

Doesn't mean he is a "supposed" liberal.

[Robbins]

43. What would Clinton do In office?

I doudt very much liberal.and any liberal who helped her get into office is helping their policys get into law.

[mythology]

47. It's really sad that more people don't get your point

And it goes both ways. There have been plenty of Clinton supporters bashing Sanders supporters as outside of the Democratic party.

[workinclasszero]

49. Hillary Clinton Was The 11th Most Liberal Senator

Hillary Clinton Was The 11th Most Liberal Senator

Interesting piece from Daily Kos today, showing Hillary Clinton as one of the most liberal senators. I really don't know where progressives get this idea of Clinton as some raging conservative. Yes, she's a hawk -- as an aspiring president, I don't know that she has much choice in that. But I know people who have worked with both Clintons, and they all say she is much more liberal than he is, especially on social and paycheck issues.

http://crooksandliars.com/2015/04/hillary-clinton-was-11th-most-liberal

Uh I don't believe your point is valid, sorry.

[Renew Deal]

27. Some people need to accept that most Democrats like Hillary and she is the front runner

Personally, I want to see Obama finish out his term.

[emulatorloo]

29. The only important poll is on Election Day.

Things change. Nobody is advocating calling off the election.

[MineralMan]

30. Elections are won through polling.

On election day, the real poll happens. In the meantime, lots of people spend lots of money and time trying to predict what the results of that poll will be. As election day gets closer, the polls get more and more accurate, in aggregate.

Anyone who has watched polling aggregate numbers in recent elections will not dismiss polling so casually.

Watch the aggregate numbers and the trend charts, and you'll see the election results approaching.

[frazzled]

35. Chill the heck out

Voters will decide the nominee of the Democratic Party, in each state, beginning in February. Just like they do every four years.

You can be Chicken Little and whine and cry about the sky falling and go into hiding. Or you can hit the ground to work for your candidate. Elections are not won on the Internet. Go to New Hampshire and sign up at a campaign office and get your canvassing marching orders to knock on doors.

[Robbins]

36. We should end primarys

Since they are waste of time and effort.

This way Liberals can stop being fooled into thinking their oporion and votes matter In Democratic party.

It's all about who the top 1% and establishment wants.and centrists voters go along with it.

[SheilaT]

38. Read this:

http://www.epubsbook.com/ScienceFiction/Asimov41/27325.html

First published 1955. Most prescient thing I've ever read.

[cwydro]

39. No. Eom

[MohRokTah]

44. You don't seem to understand how polling works.

Tell me, did you think Sanders had a magnificent lead in the polls based upon the internet polls put up on web sites after the debate?

[gearhead12]

45. I think we should

[Sheepshank]

48. what a bunch of hooey

you don't like the polling system because more people like Hillary?

If in fact, as you say within in this thread, the media et al are complicit in creating a winner where the winner does not really exist, how does announcing a coronation, instead of having an actual election do anything?

the whole OP makes absolutley no sense

[Maedhros]

51. I'll do you one better: let's just award the office to the candidate that raises the most cash.

No need for this cumbersome and unpredictable "election" thing.