Madam President

[Kang Colby]

That is all...

[DCBob]

1. I like this one..

[Kang Colby]

2. Excellent post, thanks.

[smiley]

3. I truly hope not...

I was getting used to not having a republican as President.

Go Bernie! bounce: :

[Kang Colby]

13. Hillary is a Democrat. Bernie is unelectable. n/t

[RichVRichV]

59. How so?

Bernie has drawn in large numbers of disenfranchised already (which makes up 66% of the total voters). He's drawing large interest from independents and is even siphoning interest from Republicans. He has proven in his own state in various races he can win over large blocks of independent and Republican voters with his view points (which haven't changed in decades). The head to head polls against Republicans show him favorably (equal or better than Hillary in many cases).


If you don't like his positions, I get that. If you think he's not the best option for the country, I understand. But how exactly is Bernie unelectable? Are you implying the Democrats wouldn't support him in the general election over a Republican?

[Kang Colby]

61. Sure, I don't like his positions.

But considering he will get so few votes, he is also unelectable. I can't imagine him winning a single state outside of Denmark.

[RichVRichV]

73. Explain to me where all these votes for Hillary are coming from

that Bernie won't also get in the general election. Are you saying Democrats wouldn't vote for him if he's the nominee? Are you saying she has wider appeal among independents and Republicans? Do you think she will draw out more current non-voters than Bernie?


I have seen nothing anecdotal nor in the polls that states Bernie would have a harder time in the generals than Hillary would. It's simply a myth that he's unelectable. Both are capable of winning the general election.

[lostnfound]

101. He is unelectable because we live in a corporatocracy with a mostly illiterate population

I'm donating every month anyway, but not getting my hopes up. The TV performers are paid to disinform, and they will do so when the time is right. And the American public is incredibly susceptible to media manipulation.

[smiley]

62. Hillary has way to much baggage.

And she IMO might as well be a Republican. See, I'm allowed to say that, because I'm one of those registered Independents who is tired of voting for the lesser of 2 evils. And that's exactly what we'll get with Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Go Bernie Go!

[Sheepshank]

96. and I'm looking for a Democrat as President n/t

[smiley]

111. Then you better not vote for Hillary.

Go Bernie!

[Skidmore]

127. Ummmm...BS is not a Democrat

but he has no problem with trying to use the hard work of others to get ahead. Rand Paul did the same thing on the right. I am a Democrat.

[smiley]

128. Umm.... what the hell is that supposed to mean?

Details please? I'm dying to hear.

[Skidmore]

129. He has never been a Democrat.

Has he? I find no evidence to the contrary. Do you have any?

[smiley]

130. I wasn't looking for any.

I'm a proud Indy so it doesn't bother me.
Have a great day!

Go Bernie!

[TheKentuckian]

4. No thanks. Madame doesn't mean shit when she is a conservative. Thatcher didn't help the UK and

Last edited Tue Oct 20, 2015, 10:06 PM - Edit history (1)

Clinton won't help America.

[Kang Colby]

6. That's rude. n/t

[TheKentuckian]

15. Rude in what way? Is it rude to assert she is liberal? Disagreement with you is not rudeness.

[Kang Colby]

17. Using her name in the same paragraph as Thatcher is, in my opinion, rude. n/t

[TheKentuckian]

39. Well, then that is like your opinion. I obviously don't share it nor am I obligated to indulge it.

[Le Taz Hot]

88. No, what's rude is determining a "Madam President"

when not one single vote has been cast. We don't crown a president we vote one in. Well, we used to anyway, right up until the time the oligarchy took over and HRH is absolutely one of the oligarchs.

And my ignore list just grew by one more. Fucking waste of bandwidth.

[lovemydog]

10. Hillary Clinton

is no Margaret Thatcher.

Hillary is closer to President Obama and Bernie Sanders in her political ideology and policy than she is to the Iron Lady. Thatcher was closer to Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush.

[TheKentuckian]

14. Obama is also a conservative just a a very slightly more moderate one than Clinton.

Sanders is the only one you named that is left of western center and he is actually just moderate left.

[lovemydog]

24. That's your opinion.

Most in the western world would say Reagan, Thatcher and Bush are conservative while Obama, Clinton and Sanders are liberal.

[TheKentuckian]

51. It is and those more often than I'd prefer come out in the wash as fact.

[RichVRichV]

67. Obama called himself a 'moderate Republican of the 80s' on economics.

"The truth of the matter is that my policies are so mainstream that if I had set the same policies that I had back in the 1980s, I would be considered a moderate Republican."

I'm sorry if that offends some people, but it's straight from him.

link




The simple fact is that on economic issues the mainstream Democratic party now is where the Republicans were 30 years ago. That's how far right we've drifted.


We can't have an honest discussion on liberal vs conservative without breaking apart economic and social views. We have always been much more liberal on social issues (at least since the southern ideology switch in parties). That's held true under Obama. However, our party has become much more like old Republicans on economic issues (and the current Republicans have gone clear off the deep end). That's not an indictment on Obama. He has simply matched a trend of Democratic leadership over the past 30 years. Hillary's views align with his. Bernie is the only one looking to do an about face on our economic policies back to the left.

[kelliekat44]

104. No room for pragmatism among some folks here. Go for the perfect at the expense of the possible.

That's what we do.

[lovemydog]

113. Yup. Not much room for proper use of words

either. Some would rather harangue people into believing their definitions which differ from the dictionary or reality.

[MohRokTah]

29. Calling Obama a conservative is extremist leftist rhetoric.

Barack Obama is the most liberal president in US history.

[TheKentuckian]

52. Absurd ramblings of a conservative surrounded by radical regressives to the point of

making their world a fun house mirror.

I bet you think a fair number of TeaPubliKlan officials are moderate too.

[MohRokTah]

87. I've suffered your rude insults enough

Good bye.

[TheKentuckian]

92. No response to who occupies the center/right and then the "moderate" right because the gig would

be up on this "thesis" I reckon. Better to play the aggrieved.

[Liberaltalker]

78. I would argue

that FDR was this nations most liberal president.

[treestar]

110. Just as crazy as right wingers who call Bush a liberal

[ronnykmarshall]

21. Can I ask you a question?

Why is it that Bernie supporters feel they have to shit on ANY pro-Hillary thread?

[MohRokTah]

30. I can answer that.

It's because they know damned well and good they won't get hidden, unlike any critical post of Sanders in a pro-Sanders thread.

[ronnykmarshall]

37. Yup. That's for sure

I alerted on thread I started about some childish attack and the jury result were just classic.

One jury member told me to: Put on your big girl panties and get over it.

[Cali_Democrat]

58. You should alert those jury results and send to the admin. nt

[ronnykmarshall]

121. I posted it on the Ask the Admins page

Nada. No reply

[TheKentuckian]

48. I don't feel I have to but it is the reasonable and best thing to do. The Turd Way must be flushed.

I could give a tinker's damn about a D next to her name she does not share my values, priorities, or worldview but she is just another representative of the cancerous ideology eating away at our party and I reject them all with extreme prejudice.

If she didn't want me to to shit on her adulation she'd wouldn't be an interventionist, corporate enabling, drug warring, anti civil liberties candidate with a toxic ideology custom designed to destroy liberalism in the Democratic party.

[ronnykmarshall]

49. Um ok ....

thanks for that big line of shit.

[TheKentuckian]

50. You're welcome and don't ask questions you don't want answered and can't argue.

[ronnykmarshall]

115. That was an answer?

"Turd way"?

Wow! Nice of our grade school to provide you internet.

[TheKentuckian]

122. A perfect description for a shit failed ideology for any age and you still have no answer for

the reality of the dangerously failed and wrong-headed philosophy so as usual the lame attacks are the only straw to grasp.

Anything that causes one to pass "warm purple sauce" has to be bad for you, flush that crap before the whole damn house gets violently ill.

[ronnykmarshall]

123. You are just too much

your little veiled personal insults are fitting.

This thread was started as pro-Hillary support thread. Yet YOU and others feel this uncontrollable need to act like little kicking and screaming children.

I don't go and talk shit on pro-Bernie threads.

My next question is .... what the fuck is "warm purple sauce" and should I warn my mom about that when I go visit her? Oh and she's for Hillary too.

Care to insult HER too?

[MyNameGoesHere]

60. Somebody sad

Your little sadness has brought you close to a line you shouldn't be allowed to cross. Extreme prejudice? Really you want to take out some folks? You're very close to something you don't want.

[TheKentuckian]

84. Take out? Not in the same galactic cluster. Reject as representatives and as a viable political

philosophy in the Democratic party without regard for other considerations, pause, or reservation? About bang on.

No playing footsie with cancer, it must be eradicated if the host is to survive.

[LiberalArkie]

90. Results

On Wed Oct 21, 2015, 08:07 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

I don't feel I have to but it is the reasonable and best thing to do. The Turd Way must be flushed.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=707671

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

this is just disgusting. name calling much? enough already!

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Oct 21, 2015, 08:14 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Revolting. Sometimes it's hard to believe this is a Democratic website.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I did not like some of the cursing BY ANYONE. But I feel the poster was egged on to get to the point where the poster could be hidden/banned.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: well said
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: A couple of words used are a bit crude but nothing you wouldn't expect in a robust discussion.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Post offers an opinion on HRC, no personal insults were directed to other DUers. There is no inappropriate name calling here. HRC is a public figure, not yet the nominee and not yet subject to special protections.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[ronnykmarshall]

116. Wow stunned by the results of the jury

[ohheckyeah]

98. She also

doesn't share your childishness. Turd way? Seriously? Grow up.

[ronnykmarshall]

117. Turd way is the new allowed phrase here.

See the "jury" results on the alert.

[ohheckyeah]

125. I didn't alert.

I don't do alerts.

[Sheepshank]

99. what a sad sad waste of a huge chunk of life for many Obama and Hillary haters.

spending 8 years here crapping on Obama and will spend the next 4 years at DU crapping on Hillary. Makes one wonder why they even bother hanging at a DEM site. it just doesnt seem like a healthy or productive past time. I must admit to feeling a teeny tiny bit sorry for that frustrating set of events for all of them.

[Number23]

108. That's it. EXACTLY. People keep saying that these people will "come around" after the primary

These folks shit on Obama the ENTIRE TIME he's been in office and I would bet everything in my pocket that some of these folks will keep going long after he's left.

Anyone who doesn't think that they'll do the same thing to Hillary if/when she's elected president has not been paying even the tiniest bit of attention.

[Sheepshank]

109. I completely agree....the board will not change in any significant manner

with regards to how they treat Hillary or Obama, even after the elections.

"Support for the Democratic President" has become words that is scorned and ridiculed.

[TheKentuckian]

126. The party isn't about your favorite corporate approved personalities and disapproval of their position

on policies and wanting and even demanding a different path isn't hate.

Democracy isn't about swinging from one cult of personality to the next.

You want my vote then you have to deal with my policy positions and priorities or the wheel is going to squeak like a motherfucker and I don't even remotely apologize for it because that is what the whole fucking hokey pokey is about for me not selecting an idol to worship and blindly rally around like a king or queen on a short term contract.

[Doctor_J]

74. Probably the same reason Hillarians feel that posts like this OP, which belongs in the HRC

group or at the new hate site, should be dumped into the "primaries" forum. This OP was placed here to stir shit up, and it worked. And of course now the DLC fan club is having some poutrage about it.

[ronnykmarshall]

118. As opposed to Pro-Bernie posts in here?

Is there some different rule of Pro-Bernie posts vs. Pro-Hillary ones?

Our should we "Hillarians" .... (I guess what's the new bullshit tag) just know our place and stay in the HRC group only?

[Stanley British]

44. I didn't like Thatcher. Right slag, that one.

[merrily]

80. Why is it Madame anyway? We don't say Sir Secretary or Sir President.

Dumb point, but I wanted to say hi. Always nice (and educational) to see your fonts.

[TheKentuckian]

82. Hey Merrily! I reckon it sounds more flowery than Ms. President since we do Mister.

Or used too seems mostly out vogue but maybe some still use it at pressers.

[merrily]

83. Should be parallel, no. I mean, imagine if a female President were addressed incorrectly and she

had to say, "Call me Madam."

[TheKentuckian]

85. LOLZ...agreed

[calimary]

89. It's the distaff version of "Mr. President" or "Mr. Secretary."

You're correct - nobody says "Sir President." But the term that IS used is "Mr. President." Therefore - as applies to a woman, it would properly be "Madame President."

[merrily]

93. No, the distaff version of "Mr. President" would be "Ms. President," which is my point.

Mr./Ms. or Sir/Madam (not Madame, which is for French women: Monsieur/Madame

[calimary]

94. You were the one who originally stated the premise as "Madame."

But I have no interest in starting an argument with you.

[George II]

95. I don't care how they address her as long as it includes "President".

[Sheepshank]

100. ^^^^^ oh yeah^^^^

[ismnotwasm]

114. No shit..

However, I do like the way Madame President sounds. I wouldn't pick a fight over it though

[oasis]

5. Great pic.

[Kang Colby]

7. A great picture, for an even better leader.

[JRLeft]

8. Obviously a great reason to vote for her.

[JTShroyer]

9. I love satire

Go Hillary Go!!

YASSS QUEEN!!

[artislife]

124. *chortle nt

[Ron Green]

11. Is that what it's about? Just get a woman in there?

[Kang Colby]

12. No. But Hillary is a fantastic leader. Who unlike

Bernie is actually electable.

[Ron Green]

16. By "fantastic" do you mean the fantasy of continuing to do the bidding

of Wall Street operators while talking about some kind of better future? If so, please give me the REALITY of facing an unsustainable economy, imperial foreign policy and environmental catastrophe with courage and a clear vision

[Kang Colby]

19. Drama much? Sorry, Bernie won't be able to nationalize corporate America from his

Senate seat.

[Ed Suspicious]

69. Are you just playing ignorant? Bernie doesn't want to nationalize corporate America.

What makes you think he does?

[ronnykmarshall]

119. and your post got hidden below

and the "Turd Way" post was approved to stay. What a shock.

[orpupilofnature57]

35. Leader of mindless cheer-leaders with no rebuttal of issues, just yak on . Bernie could swing voters

there are Republicans who would rather be shot, rather than vote for Hillary, Hence unelectable along with untrustworthy .

[totodeinhere]

77. You must not be paying much attention. Several recent polls show Bernie doing better against

Trump than Hillary is. The latest CNN poll has it Sanders over Trump 53-44. Clinton only leads Trump 50-45 which is barely outside of the statistical margin of error.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2015/images/10/18/democrats.pdf

[JRLeft]

20. Yes it is.

[Metric System]

25. One of the most qualified people to run for President, who happens to be a woman.

[MohRokTah]

31. She is the most qualified presidential candidate in US history.

Of course, she has to be in order to be a woman candidate and actually be a front runner, too.

[Kang Colby]

41. Amen. n/t

[Doctor_J]

26. of course it is

She loses to Sanders on every issue. The only reason to vote for her, unless of course you're a conservative, is her gender. I think the authoritarian DLC wing of the party has come to believe that perpetual war is good, that Americans don't deserve healthcare, that wall street should run the country, that teachers unions are why our education system is so awful, that social security should be privatized, and all of the rest of the Fox world view. Then they complain when people don't vote.

[Kang Colby]

32. And the only reason to vote for Bernie is "free stuff".

"Hey bro, vote for Bernie cuz free pizza for life...it will be awesome bro."

[JRLeft]

43. Bill O'Reilly is your hero, right?

[Kang Colby]

47. Hugo Chavez is your hero, right?

[JRLeft]

53. He wasn't great, but he wasn't completely bad either.

I don't believe in total socialism, you sound you believe in corporate welfare. Your on the wrong site.

[Kang Colby]

57. This isn't Socialist Underground...

or Independent Underground is it ? I didn't think so.

[JRLeft]

79. This isn't the free republic either.

[JRLeft]

38. They do not care about issues.

[shenmue]

70. The only reason to vote for her is her gender? What disgusting bullshit.

What an ignorant thing to say.

[ronnykmarshall]

18. I took this myself in 2007

[url=https://flic.kr/p/vDBcKi][img][/img][/url][url=https://flic.kr/p/vDBcKi]

I hope I get another chance to see her this time.

[Kang Colby]

22. Wonderful picture. We will see her election! HRC 2016.

[riversedge]

33. you did well.

[ismnotwasm]

54. That is a gorgeous picture!

[workinclasszero]

23. We will make history in 2016

[Kang Colby]

27. Excellent post! 2016, here we come! n/t

[orpupilofnature57]

28. Marie Antoinette took a good Photo too, then what ?

[MohRokTah]

36. There are precisely ZERO photographs of Marie Antoinette. eom

[riversedge]

42. Photos did not exist in her time.

[ronnykmarshall]

45. Oh that doesn't matter ....

The poster was trying to funny. But, hey ... a kick on thread is a kick. Plus make shows more examples of childish crap being thrown by so called "adults".

[Sheepshank]

97. Photo? really? funny as hell insult. n/t

[99Forever]

34. Being an actual fan of democracy...

...I'll wait for the election results before giving a title to anyone.

On the upside, I'll take great pleasure in putting this thread exactly where it belongs. Trashed.

[ronnykmarshall]

40. thanks!

and thanks for kicking the thread up with your charming reply. .. mean it!

[NBachers]

55. Jeez- This thread really became piranha bait, didn't it?

[shenmue]

71. Yep

Actual DUers saying "the only reason to vote for her is her gender."

Fuck those people with a Garden Weasel.

[ronnykmarshall]

120. and usual piranhas have shown up right one time

[url=https://flic.kr/p/z8SxV1][img][/img][/url][url=https://flic.kr/p/z8SxV1]

[BootinUp]

56. Sounds good!

[MannyGoldstein]

63. Grace even under sniper fire.

[Martin Eden]

64. I like your other picture much better

I greatly admire Frederick Douglass.

Hillary lost my vote, my trust, and my respect when she voted to give GW Bush authority to invade Iraq.

She is terribly unqualified to be president based on her foreign policy record, which her supporters inexplicably point to as one of her strengths. She's "strong" on foreign policy in the same vein as GW Bush -- ready and eager to flex military muscles in the next costly fiasco laden with unintended consequences.

The military industrial complex and Wall Street undoubtedly would no doubt be pleased to call her Madam President.

[Persondem]

65. Nice pic. Don't let the sour grape club get you down. nt.

[Android3.14]

66. She will never represent you

Anyone with open eyes can see that.

[MannyGoldstein]

76. She represents *us*

Indeed.

Best wishes,

Jamie & Lloyd

[NonMetro]

68. The Election Shouldn't Be About Her

But it is.

[litlbilly]

72. Elizabeth Warren will be the first woman pres, after Bernie's term

[ProgressiveJarhead]

75. Brainwashing

is apparently still effective. Pardon me if I don't get goo-goo eyes.

[SunSeeker]

81. K & R

[LWolf]

86. Here's one I like:

[artislife]

91. Too early in the morning

my stomach just turned

[Beacool]

102. Yeah, because Sanders is better looking.......

[Hepburn]

105. No, he's much better in his thinking. n/t

[artislife]

106. Yup

Sadly most h supporters think it is all about appearances and not about substance.

Shallow.

[Beacool]

107. That's a matter of opinion.

[Hepburn]

103. ...

[grossproffit]

112. She owned that debate.