"Don't pull that populist stuff with me."

[Samantha]

Some time ago, I heard a story told by a Democratic candidate about meeting with Debbie Wasserman Schultz to ask for help in raising funds for his race. I always remembered the shocking response she gave him but never took the time to research the incident to discuss it here. Tonight I did take the time, and I found the incident described on of all places a website entitled democraticunderground!

From a DU post by HooptieWagon February 15, 2009, entitled "...here is the real DWS (citing the Huffington Post):

When my friend Jane saw what Florida congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz, chair of the DCCC's Red to Blue program, which is charged with defeating Republicans and replacing them with Democrats, saw how shabbily Wasserman Schultz had treated progressive Navy veteran Doug Tudor, her astonishment was palpable. "Wow," she wrote, "We really are the New Republicans!"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/howie-klein/debbie-wasser ...

The post then quotes from a note Tudor submitted regarding his encounter with Wasserman Schultz:

I, of course, was most anxious to meet and speak with Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman-Schultz (DINO-FL), who is chairing the DCCC's Red-to-Blue program. I just knew that she would welcome the chance to defeat Adam Putnam, as that would allow her lay sole claim to the title of "Wonder Kid" in Florida's politics. Adam, after all, isn't her next door neighbor. Once she comes onboard, I assumed, the other members of the caucus would lose their timidity and also support me. I was dead wrong, and I should have known better. It is well known that Wasserman-Schultz supports Republicans Lincoln Diaz-Balart, Mario Diaz-Balart, and Ileana Ros-Lehtinen over their Democratic opponents, although lately she has been pressured into giving belated and grudging support to Joe Garcia and Raul Martinez who are opposing the Diaz-Balarts. I always figured that she was just afraid of the Hispanic backlash in her own district. What I hadn't considered is that she is just afraid of all incumbent Republicans in Florida. When I met her in Denver, she immediately told me that she couldn't support me, saying I hadn't raised enough money. I told her that I had raised $100K, that I was a military retiree, that my family is living on my wife's Air Force E6 pay, and that I wasn't able like other "viable" candidates to drop a quarter of a million dollars into my own campaign. I then told her, "Congresswoman, I am one of those working-class guys that our party claims to represent." Her response was "Don't pull that populist stuff with me." I thanked her for her time. (bold emphasis added)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/howie-klein/debbie-wasser ...

"Don't pull that populist stuff with me" ... populist stuff ... hmmmmmmmmm kind of sounds like she is anything but a populist and one wonders why someone demeaning populism is the chairwoman of the DNC. And the inference that she supported two Republicans over their Democratic opponents for her own self-serving reasons is very telling.

And the exclamation "We are the new Republicans" is a sentiment which today I believe would be echoed by some disenchanted Democrats dismayed over the DNC chairwoman's recent conduct.

She needs to go.

Sam

[WillyT]

1. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!

[Samantha]

4. Actually, when I first heard this story told, the phrase was

"Don't pull that populist crap on me." Perhaps that word was changed in the note to "stuff" because the author didn't want to offend anyone.

DWS has just done so much objectionable stuff, which if you believe this post, includes holding back to grease the Republicans' wheels in some races for her own self-serving reasons. If that is the case, it is not surprising that we have some in the House of Representatives today that one has to wonder how in the h*ll they got there. Now we have a clue.

Thanks for posting on my thread.

Sam

[WillyT]

5. You Are Quite Welcome... I Have More Here If You're Interested:

DULink: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251703290

[Samantha]

8. Thanks for sharing

I really liked the first one, but as for the second one, there is a huge difference between bringing people you don't like into one's big tent and ushering one's opponents into office for self-serving reasons.

She needs to go.

Sam

[WillyT]

10. You Are Quite Welcome !!!

[JRLeft]

2. There are some on this board who believe the turd way is a myth.

[Samantha]

6. That literal term "Third Way" is anything but a myth

It sprang from the Bill Clinton administration, when the former President was searching for a new way to describe his particular brand of politics. I read this in one of the bios written about him. His intent was to describe a brand of politics he thought his administration inspired, a Democrat actually willing to make Republican-like compromises in the name of bipartisanship. A good example of that was the way he balanced the budget (through making cuts unpopular with Dems such as cutting welfare).

I personally do not call this a method I admire, and this is one of the reasons I personally moved further to the left in my own political world.

When the DLC decided to fold and needed a new name for their organization, they chose the Third Way label.

Thanks for posting on my thread.

Sam

[JRLeft]

7. Agreed, they are a think tank who raises money for corporate dems.

[CrispyQ]

75. The new dems:

We love big business as much as the repubs & we don't care if gays marry or women have abortions.

[jwirr]

80. And we sure do not care if the rich get richer while the poor

get poorer.

[cprise]

103. It was in display: Clinton waving 'Republicans!!!' in our faces like they're a fixture

in Congress. We're supposed to run to Clinton because Republicans hate her. What a smoke screen!

Imagine this: A 2016 repeat of 2014 third way congressional candidates... only with Hillary leading them. That's what we're in for if she wins the primaries. Dems will be lucky if they get even a slight majority.

[Samantha]

104. Perhaps that depends on how much emphasis we place on (and act on)

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electing liberal congressional candidates to support our positions. We can't just cross our fingers and hopes it happens, and that means not counting on DWS to further that goal, but making sure the right people support that effort.

Thanks for posting on my thread.

Sam

[WillyT]

11. Word...

[sabrina 1]

13. I think they have been educated that the Third Way is no Myth. It is a Think Tank made up of

Wall St investors who slap the letter D after the names of the candidates they choose to infiltrate the Dem Party.

They need to be sent back, along with DWS to their own party.

[Samantha]

15. They are also Republicans who can't win as such in the areas they represent

so they register as Democrats. There should be a third label for "Trojan Horses" - right?

Thanks for posting on my thread.

Sam

[sabrina 1]

18. Once the Republican Party was completely bought and it still wasn't enough to get the

right wing agenda passed all the time, they began working on the Dem Party.

Now we have to work on getting the party back out of their control.

Maybe we should go further, take a lesson from them and infiltrate the other party??

I will not support any DLC/Third Way candidate.

[Samantha]

45. Perhaps the Third Way needs to leave the Democratic party and start the Third Way party

That would be a lot more pleasant than asking a Dem to infiltrate the Republican party because some of those people are really dirty dogs and one might get fleas. It would be cleaner all the way around to eject the Democratic Third Way Dirty Dogs from our party than to lie down with them. The question is how to do we do that.

Perhaps we should start being more vocal as the Republicans are. It has been mentioned in this thread more than once that not only more Dems but more Americans are being more and more leftist. If we don't differentiate ourselves from the Dirty Dog Dems, the Americans becoming more leftist will feel they have no representation and simply become Independents. We want those people to huddle with us, and we want the Third Way people out of here. So let's stop being the silent majority and become the vocal populists.

I am going to try to remember this phrase -- Dirty Dog Dems -- and use it openly to refer to the Third Way and hope they are offended!

I too will not support any Third Way candidate.

Thanks for posting on my thread, sabrina 1.

Sam

[kenfrequed]

61. I wish that would work

It would almost require the corporate third-way people to voluntarily leave the party. They wouldn't. Their existence is predicated on giving more of a voice to business interests within the Democratic party.

[djean111]

53. That would be Patrick Murphy, for starters. n/t

[Bluenorthwest]

52. That's absurd, easily refutable as Third Way has a very flashy self promotional website and all...

This link goes to the current co-chairs of Third Way who are in the Congress....but the site goes on and on and on and makes no secret about their presence while attempting to spin their conservatism as some form of reasoned forward motion.

http://www.thirdway.org/about#co-chairs

[ion_theory]

93. Wish there was a way to primary there asses. nt

[FlatBaroque]

69. No, they do not.

They want YOU to believe it is a myth. They know very well who butters their bread.

[Snotcicles]

3. A real piece of work. nt

[Samantha]

9. Yes she is

and as the friend in the article said, "We are the new Republicans."

Speaking for myself, count me out. I used to be a Republican, but I left the party in the 90s because I became too embarrassed to be associated with the things Republicans were doing. I still feel the same way now that I am a Democrat. So let's throw the Republicans out of our party and save ourselves further humiliation perpetrated by them.

Thanks for posting on my thread.

Sam

[JRLeft]

12. The Turd Way

In politics, the Third Way is a position that tries to reconcile right-wing and left-wing politics by advocating a varying synthesis of right-wing economic and left-wing social policies.

[Samantha]

14. That is true as well

President Obama openly describes himself as fiscally conservative and socially liberal.

There is a slight difference in what Obama does and what Clinton did, since Clinton's maneuvers were more of a betrayal. Additionally, there were issues he did not want to compromise on, knew he was going to lose, publicly supported, and then took credit when they became done deals. That absolutely infuriated Republicans.

Sam

[JRLeft]

16. Smart politician, I believe the bubble convinced him governing as a center right candidate was good

for the country.

[liberal_at_heart]

17. Yes, sadly once he got to the White House the community organizer turned into a DC insider.

[Samantha]

21. The difference between Obama and Clinton is this

When Obama campaigned he openly said, "I don't want to be President of the red states. I don't want to be President of the blue states. I wanted to be President of the United States." That is a line which always brought the house down. I took him literally. I also heard him say in Chicago the night of the election into the crowd, "You will not like everything I do. But I have gotten so much more from you than you will from me" (loosely paraphrasing). I think he was apologizing in advance for those times he would disappoint us as Democrats, but I don't think everyone listened carefully or understood exactly what he was saying.

Bill Clinton came to Washington with two big goals: he wanted Americans to quit smoking and he wanted Americans to quit drinking. We never heard him openly say this as he was campaigning because no one would have voted for him had he laid his goals on the line. But the truth of the matter was he received large donations from the health industry and it was they who were pushing for these goals. So he too was in service to his political donors, but it took awhile for us to figure that out.

Clinton was successful on the smoking thing but not the alcohol thing only because the liquor lobbyists were stronger than the smoking lobbyists.

Not that he didn't do some good things as well ....

Sam

[Samantha]

46. And do you think it has or has not been good for the Country

Personally, I think the socially liberal issues he has championed have been; and the other issues such as TTP are harmful. It has been a mixed bag.

But overall, President Obama is a good reflection on our Country in the way that he speaks (think George W. Bush*) and the way he conducts himself in front of the world. I am not so sure the next person will be his equal in that.

Sam

[JRLeft]

49. Unfortunately the TPP will override a lot of good he has accomplished.

He's a Turd Way Democrat too.

[starroute]

19. Hey hey, ho ho, DWS has got to go

Who want to chant it with me?

[liberal_at_heart]

20. I will. Hey hey, ho ho, DWS has to go!

[Samantha]

23. Hey, hey DWS get out of the way

and don't come back another day.

I am with you, and thanks for posting on my thread.

Sam

[yurbud]

22. further proof: she's Rahm with a bad perm

[Samantha]

24. Now wait a minute -- you have gone too far there

I really, really like her hair. I am only sorry I despise her politics!

Sam

[Kalidurga]

44. LOL OMG

for a second I thought you were going to defend Rahm and I was holding my breath in astonishment.

[Samantha]

47. Well, yes, if I had done that, I would have been holding my own breath as well

On a personal note, I have very curly hair, but hers always looks so much better than mine. Mine is kind of wild, and hers is beautifully tamed. I guess if I made her money my hair could look that nice as well, but I don't want to do the ugly type of things she does to get the money just to get great hair -- so there you go!

You are too funny, but thanks for posting on my thread.

Sam

[PatrickforO]

25. K & R! Thank you for this post.

We've seen DWS's true colors by her actions (or inactions). Now, we've heard it from her own mouth.

But wait...doesn't the Democratic Party stand for populist positions? Or, maybe that's just old fashioned thinking.

After all, caring about each other has become an extreme political position.

[liberal_at_heart]

26. The Democratic Party no longer stands for populist positions. They are considered unrealistic even

though the majority of Americans agree with those populist positions.

[PatrickforO]

29. Yeah. That's for sure. And that's my point.

I am for populist positions. Most Americans are for them.

I'd say its time we start a) pressuring these lizards while they are yet in office, and b) voting them out when we can, and c) finding good, progressive people to run for local office and supporting the heck out of them.

[liberal_at_heart]

30. I agree completely.

[Samantha]

34. I like that word lizards

and I agree with everything you say.

Thanks for posting on my thread.

Sam

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

74. Like I have said before.

Now is the time for a real progressive populist movement, but the message needs to be clear and not overly complex and it needs to be repeated over and over to drive it home into the minds of the people.

Then Bernie will win.

[Samantha]

94. I agree

This is the simple truth. I will be sticking with Bernie regardless.

Sam

[Samantha]

33. Well some people do say this

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However, some of that is just propaganda, especially from the Third Way which openly brags it has more influence on the President than we liberals do. However, researching this issue I have found not only more Democrats but more Americans are moving left and do embrace populism. I do believe this is exactly why Bernie Sanders draws such huge crowds. Although he is a Democratic Socialist, basically as he himself has said, he is a person who embraces Democratic values but further believes the government should work for the middle class and poor people as well. The numbers don't lie. The people pitching the propaganda do!

Thanks for posting on my thread.

Sam

[Samantha]

31. I researched this yesterday for my own information

More and more Democrats as well as Americans are moving left. I have hopes we will follow the Canadian model and elect a liberal President, and by that I do not mean someone who is a Third Way type. I do mean someone who truly cares about all Americans and our ways of life, our problems, and the futures of our children. So it has not been difficult for me to single out that person, but this is not a thread about personal candidates, it is a thread about how our party is run.

I am a true, proud populist and I believe many in our party are.

Thank you for posting on my thread.

Sam

[CharlotteVale]

27. And she's on TeamHillary! Two peas in a pod.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

28. Do you get emails from DWS? I am going to have to unsubscribe AGAIN.

It's the only chance I know of to tell the DNC & DCCC how I feel about her and how much I want her OUT!.

[Samantha]

32. No, I don't and I no longer get them from the Democratic party

I did unsubscribe.

I also became very irritated when I donated to the party and found out my name and address had been put on a list with a number of other donors and sold for money. That very thing ended my donations to them.

Like so many others now, I donate directly to the source of the person I support.

And thank you for posting on my thread.

Sam

[pa28]

35. Last one out please turn off the lights.

[BeanMusical]

36. Kick and R

Excellent post.

[madfloridian]

37. The Huffpost link died, but we supported Doug Tudor's campaign....2 more links.

http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2008/09/debbie-wasserman-schultz-to-florida.html

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/3060

Just like anyone else who tried to run campaigns here, obstacles were put in his way.

And even before DWS...Rahm did his dirty work here.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1487

[Samantha]

40. I just read that first link

and it is amazing she has been doing this stuff so long and continues to prosper from it. But it is a good thing the good people in Florida know what she is all about and that she can't be trusted. The question is how do we as a party show her the door?

Thank you so much for your valuable contributions to this thread. I am going to read the other links tomorrow.

Sam

[Fuddnik]

71. She flat-out endorsed "her friend" Ginny Brown-Waite R-5 against progressive Dem John Russell.

the following year, at the 2007 Florida Dem Convention, Russell had the audacity to show up at "Hillary Fest" with a couple of John Edwards signs, and her minions roughed him up and threw him out. Then he was banned from all Disney properties for life, for creating a disturbance.

[Samantha]

78. This type of damaging behavior needs to be made well known to all Democrats

It is bad enough we have to deal with disingenuous Republicans, but to help elect them in the first place?????

Everyone needs to know. I see this has been tweeted out 5 times -- perhaps we can continue to shine a light on the issue and garner some support.

Sam

[madfloridian]

82. Ah yes, I remember that.

Anyone who ever made waves was considered an outcast.

[SheilaT]

38. This is related:

In 2004 I ran for the Kansas State House. I was asked by the party to run. It was a VERY Republican district, and the incumbent was a popular, moderate, Republican. But I fought the good fight. Good enough, that two years later the party saw it was a winnable race, backed the man who ran in that district, and he won.

But meanwhile, I was fighting an uphill battle. We (meaning my husband and I) did a yard sign survey right before the primary, where we went around and noted all of the yard signs, most notably the Republican ones, so we knew which houses were not worth contacting.

The then state party chair was an attorney whose office was in my district. I asked him if I could put my yard sign in front of his office, and he politely said no, because even though he was the state party chair, he needed to have an appearance of non-partisanship. No problem. I understood.

But by the week before the election there were several signs for various candidates in front of his office, so I decided What the hell, and put mine up. In less than an hour all of the signs had been removed.

I understood quite clearly that I was not really a conventional candidate, although I wasn't exactly going to the media with disruptive statements. But it was extremely annoying, to put it mildly, that I was treated so badly by the party higher ups.

So at a local level, I've been there, and I know what it's all about.

[liberal_at_heart]

39. Thank you for telling your story. It is stories like this that make me realize I made the

right decision becoming an Independent. Both parties are broken, and reforming them from within the system is becoming damn near impossible because of the corruption.

[Samantha]

43. You know I thought about leaving the party and becoming an Independent last year

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and then I decided why should I leave. Perhaps others feeling the same as I should make THEM leave. This is the Democratic party, and it is they who don't share Democratic principles. They need to go, starting with DWS.

Just my opinion.

At least as an Independent you still visit Democratic political websites, and that is a good thing.

Sam

[SheilaT]

64. Registering as an Independent can work against you, if you live in a state

where you can only vote in the primary for the party you're registered in. Not all states are like that.

It's my opinion that the parties can only be reformed from within, since the possibility of a different, a "third" party becoming viable and being able to elect candidates and so on, is as close to zero as can be. But that reform can only be accomplished if people run for office. And win. Look at how the Tea Party has been able to take over the Republican Party. They did it from within, not from without.

[Samantha]

41. That is really disturbing

But thank you for sharing your experience here. I guess these semantics are not confined to Florida. Our party needs different leadership.

Sam

[NBachers]

42. She absolutely has to go

[Scuba]

48. Hey, hey, ho, ho. DINO Debbie's got to go!

[JRLeft]

50. Everyone is blaming DWS, how can Obama go blameless? He appointed DWS and Rahm Emmanuel as Chief

of Staff. He also referred to himself as a new Democrat closely aligned with the blue dog caucus.

[Scuba]

56. No question he's on the same team as DWS. Wish that team was working for us.

[bvar22]

68. This one explains everything:

"I want to thank Debbie Wasserman-Schultz for being an outstanding chair of our party. (Applause.) She is a great partner."--President Obama

[JRLeft]

70. The corporate side of the party has its claws in cinched on the party.

[bvar22]

89. DWS serves at Obama's pleasure.

She would not be the chair of the DNC unless the Power Brokers for the 1% were not happy with the job she is doing FOR THEM.
She will be the DNC Chair until the Democratic Party Leadership decides to promote her to an even higher position.

Our protests are useless.
The Party has morphed into an authoritarian, Top Down organization instead of a voice for democracy and people that Work for a Living.

In 2008 Debbie Wasserman Schultz refused to endorse these 3 Democrats
who had won their Primaries and had a chance to win Republican seats:

Miami-Dade Democratic Party Chair Joe Garcia

Former Hialeah Democratic Mayor Raul Martinez

Democratic businesswoman Annette Taddeo

All three had won their local Democratic Primaries, and were challenging Hard Core Republican incumbents with whom Wasserman-Schultz had become cozy.
Not only did the head of the DCCC Red to Blue Program REFUSE to endorse these Democratic challengers,
but she appeared in person at at least one (possibly more) Campaign/Fundraiser for their Republican opponents.



FL-18, FL-21, FL-25: Wasserman Schultz Wants Dem Challengers to Lose
by: James L.
Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 7:15 PM EDT
<snip>

Sensing a shift in the political climate of the traditionally solid-GOP turf of the Miami area, Democrats have lined up three strong challengers -- Miami-Dade Democratic Party chair Joe Garcia, former Hialeah Mayor Raul Martinez, and businesswoman Annette Taddeo to take on Reps. Mario Diaz-Balart, Lincoln Diaz-Balart and Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, respectively.

While there is an enormous sense of excitement and optimism surrounding these candidacies, some Democratic lawmakers, including Florida Reps. Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Kendrick Meek, are all too eager to kneecap these Democratic challengers right out of the starting gate in the spirit of "comity" and "bipartisan cooperation" with their Republican colleagues:

But as three Miami Democrats look to unseat three of her South Florida Republican colleagues, Wasserman Schultz is staying on the sidelines. So is Rep. Kendrick Meek, a Miami Democrat and loyal ally to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

This time around, Wasserman Schultz and Meek say their relationships with the Republican incumbents, Reps. Lincoln Diaz-Balart and his brother Mario, and Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, leave them little choice but to sit out the three races.

"At the end of the day, we need a member who isn't going to pull any punches, who isn't going to be hesitant," Wasserman Schultz said.

Now, you'd expect this kind of bullshit from a backbencher like Alcee Hastings, but you wouldn't expect this kind of behavior from the co-chair of the DCCC's Red to Blue program, which is the position that Wasserman Schultz currently holds. Apparently, Debbie did not get Rahm's memo about doing whatever it takes to win:

The national party, enthusiastic about the three Democratic challengers, has not yet selected Red to Blue participants. But Wasserman Schultz has already told the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee that if any of the three make the cut, another Democrat should be assigned to the race.

http://www.swingstateproject.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1537

The bloggers also are furious with Rep. Kendrick B. Meek (D-Fla.), who similarly refuses to endorse the Democratic challengers to the three Cuban American Republicans.

They are calling for Wasserman Schultz to step down from her leadership role at the DCCC. And they're not letting up, even after one Florida liberal blogger reported that the congresswoman seemed "frustrated" by the blogs and had asked to "please help get them off my back."

This prompted even harsher reaction from perhaps the most influential of the progressive political bloggers, Markos Moulitsas, a.k.a. Kos, founder of Daily Kos, who wrote on his blog Wednesday: "On so many fronts, the Republicans are standing in the way of progress, on Iraq, SCHIP, health care, fiscal responsibility, corruption, civil liberties, and so on. Those three south Florida Republicans are part of that problem. And she's (Wasserman-Schultz) going to be 'frustrated' that people demand she do her job?"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/19/AR2008031903410_3.html

Here are Kos comments on the Wasserman-Schultz betrayal of the Democratic Party:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/03/20/480511/-DCCC-Says-Uproar-Over-DWS-Recusal-Much-Ado-About-Nothing




A lot of time has passed since 2008, but I don't take these kinds of betrayals lightly.

bvar22
Cursed with a memory

"I want to thank Debbie Wasserman-Schultz for being an outstanding chair of our party. (Applause.) She is a great partner."--President Obama

With "partners" like this, we don't need Republicans!

[Samantha]

100. This was a truly great post

I think we are all aghast at some of these details you reveal, and it is also just damn disappointing that this is how our party is run on the nuts and bolts level. We have been saying throughout this thread DWS has to go, but she needed to go like yesterday, or the day before. We need to try to find a way to constantly make our displeasure with her chairmanship tactics unacceptable before she does any more harm. The only thing I personally can think of is to complain to the point where we publicly make her an embarrassment and thus a liability to Hillary Clinton. While Obama did appoint her, I believe it is traditional to allow the Democratic candidate to chose the chair when the current President is not running for another term. If that is true, and certainly we can find out, should Sanders prevail, we can petition him to select another chair. I don't think Sanders would want to be associated with dirty tactics. Hillary, on the other hand is so used to them, they probably do not concern her unless they become an embarrassment. Making DWS's tactics public could do just that.

Thank you so much for your contribution to this thread.

Sam

[Maedhros]

67. Yep.

[99Forever]

51. Worst DNC chair, EVER.

If she remains, many will desert the Democratic Party.

[JRLeft]

54. She is but it doesn't give the President a pass for appointing her. He could've

appointed a progressive but he didn't.

[Samantha]

57. I personally was hoping Howard Dean would get the nod again

His 50 state strategy worked pretty well, exceedingly well. He has also endorsed Hillary, so that should not have been a problem for her.

Sam

[kenfrequed]

62. People really won't desert

But she will make the party less and less electable during a time where we should be expanding and doing better.

[djean111]

55. This why being condescendingly told that if we want more liberals in government, we need to

start supporting and electing them locally. Here in Florida, Debbie DINO makes sure that liberals do not advance.

So that patently bullshit "advice" is a joke. And the people giving that advice know it is a joke.

[RiverLover]

58. Exactly. /nt

[Le Taz Hot]

59. She's there for a reason

and she's doing exactly what she's being paid to do. Ensure Republicans and Third-Way "Democrats" hold the majority because that's the way the Predator Class wants it.

[Enthusiast]

60. Precisely.

[Yurovsky]

79. She's got hers...

Just another of the elites in the party hierarchy who are more concerned with lining their pockets than fighting for the poor and middle class.

I read the other day that Bernie's net worth is around $700k. For a person his age, who has worked his whole life and presumably owns a home and has saved for retirement, that sounds reasonable. I don't begrudge people who've managed to save for their retirement.

Contrast that to the obscene amounts most of the GOP field boasts in their financial disclosures. And of course there's the Democratic candidate who simply couldn't get by on just a U.S. Senator's salary and her husband's presidential pension and expense account. Somewhere between $500k and $1M ANNUALLY and she says she's "flat broke".

Excuse me while I throw up...

[colsohlibgal]

63. This Illustrates The Takeover By Corporate Democrats

The in the tank for Hillary crowd will never get this. They just like the idea of voting for her, they are either oblivious to the reality or don't care

Canada went progressive but it is a much steeper hill here because of Super Pacs and MSM compliance. Bernie is a....gasp...socialist, the horror of it. Forget that the Interstate we drive on, among other things, is socialist.

[Samantha]

65. Really great points

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Thank you for posting on my thread.

I keep wondering what can we do? Can we make DWS a public embarrassment? Can we tweet messages about her that informs the whole Country how she does her job? The reason I ask is if she becomes a liability for Hillary, she immediately will be replaced.

Can we make her maneuvers so well known and criticized in social media that doesn't end until there is a response from Hillary or the DNC.

That is my question.

Sam

[Uncle Joe]

66. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Samantha.

[Samantha]

76. Always a pleasure, Uncle Joe

Thanks for posting on my thread.

Sam

[TBF]

72. I agree, Sam -

these folks are an embarrassment. Right now our 2 major parties are "crazy republican" and "republican light". I don't care for either.

[CrispyQ]

73. Yep, she needs to go.

Supporting repubs over dem candidates should never be allowed. WTF?

[Samantha]

77. Right! and doesn't that help explain how we got some of those crazy Republicans

in the People's House? Their opponents had no backup from the DNC. How lame is that?

Thanks for posting on my thread.

Sam

[daleanime]

81. It's not that she needs to go....

it's she should have already been gone.

[Samantha]

83. Thank you for that correction

and of course you are right. I am not too sure, however, that most Democrats know about her conduct over the years. I am trying to shine a light on that so more will be aware.

Thanks for posting on my thread.

Sam

[JDPriestly]

84. K&R.

[Joe Chi Minh]

85. Not before the rest are fired. She makes a great bell-wether. You can

imagine her at the Pearly Gates saying to St Peter :

'Don't pull that Sheep and Goats stuff on me!'; or
'Where your treasure is, there your heart is' stuff' on me.

[secondwind]

86. This does it for me... kick that woman to the curb, please!!!!!!!!

[rhett o rick]

87. There are two sides in this class war. DWS and HRC represent the billionaires and Wall Street.

They are not on the side of the 99%. So some of HRC supporters do so because they support the 1%. Others do so because the promise of a little possible social justice is worth selling our country to Goldman-Sachs.

[Aerows]

88. She is precisely the *LAST*

person we need at the helm for this election.

I don't think she is incompetent at all - I think she is doing exactly what she thinks will benefit her own self with no concern about the Democratic Party.

[d_legendary1]

90. The New Republicans

This has always been one of the two flavors that elections have given us since Citizens United (the other flavor being Tea). Right now we have a chance to break free and force our elections to consider a third flavor that has worked so well for us until Reagan appeared and took it away from us. Enough of Republican light/thirdway/new Republican way of thinking.

[Samantha]

95. You are correct -- enough is enough

and we have had more than enough. It is time for a huge change.

Thanks for posting on my thread.

Sam

[davidpdx]

91. K & R

[Thespian2]

92. GO, DINO,

Faster than the Speed of Light...No one needs DWS...Ooops, forgot RePukkkians...

[KoKo]

96. Recommend..."DWS" needs to go...she along with Tim Kaine

have destroyed what could have been a continuing and growing Dem House and a strong Senate.

Instead we've lost almost every bit of progress we tried so hard to achieve when we took back the House and crowned Nancy Pelosi as "Madam Chairperson" and were on a roll with involved grassroots activists.

We worked hard to get Obama elected but after achieving this we Dem Grassroots Activists were no longer welcome. Tim Kaine and Wasserman-Shultz cost us by not supporting Dem candidates who could win and when the Republican swept in and Gerrymandered State Voting Districts & instituting ALEC policies we lost so much that it will take many years to recover from--no matter what great Dems we nominate.

Repubs have wreaked havoc in states like mine because we didn't have the resources from DNC and Obama just never seemed interested in Growing the Party given the people he appointed to the DNC and his seeming disinterest in a "50 State Strategy" and promoting grassroots activism.

[Samantha]

101. Great post, KoKo

A wonderful analysis. It is pretty clear from stories on this thread we face a real threat from within as long as DWS sits in the seat of chair of the party. Do you have any ideas as to who might be a great replacement for her?
I thought Dean did a great job, but he is supporting Hillary. I have no clue if he would condone this type of behavior or not. Your thoughts?

And thank you for posting on my thread.

Sam

[Lifelong Protester]

97. "The tribe has spoken, you are the weakest link"

"good-bye!"

[ChiciB1]

98. As A Floridian, I Knew Much Of Her Coziness With Repukes!

All polls be damned right now, I don't even consider what MSM is spewing because I simply don't think I can trust polls these days. I hear over and over and over and all polls say Hillary is the only Democratic candidate who's electable.

I won't be sold, I no longer trust much at all. So scream polls here, polls there but IMO I say stick them where the sun don't shine!

ONLY time will tell and there's a long way to go! This Democratic Party looks nothing like the one I've been a lifetime member of.

IT SUCKS!

[Samantha]

99. I turned on MSNBC and from the way panelists are talking

it is all over now that Biden has declined to run. Just listening to the tone and tenor, we are back to the Hillary is inevitable. I have quit listening to the polling reports because it is obvious so much propaganda is being thrown out there, if one blinks one misses the truth. Overall, this is a very unhealthy situation I find the Democratic party in, and the only thing I can think to do is simply keep on trucking down the road I have been on in support of a huge change in our system.

I do hope some resistance continues to be shown to DWS because her conduct is giving the party a black eye. If she becomes a big enough embarrassment to Hillary Clinton, Hillary will replace her. So my hope is the complaints and the fouls keep making their way into the public domain, and it becomes impossible for DWS to remain the chairwoman of the party.

Thanks for posting on my thread. I totally understand where you are coming from, and it appears a number of people feel the same way. Let's hope if we work hard enough we will eventually end up in a much better place.

Sam

[Samantha]

102. Unfortunately, I do agree with you

We have got to make a national change, and a big one at that.

Thanks for posting on my thread.

Sam

[senz]

105. Gut-wrenching OP. Thanks for letting us know, Samantha.

I consider the whole lot of them -- DWS, HRC, and the blind followers -- Republicans. Sometimes I'm embarrassed when they call themselves Democrats.