I'm afraid it's over.

[Splinter Cell]

Biden not running is bad news for the party, even if most folks here don't see it that way now. I would be happy to support Bernie if he can win the nod, but It's clear the DNC and media have already crowned Queen Hillary. I guess there won't be a viable opponent to the GOP ticket. Don't kid yourselves, it will not be Trump, and it will not be easy.

[stonecutter357]

3. .

[upaloopa]

11. Here is the thing. You are like the wingers who

call a liberal talk show. The first thing they do is throw out one of their bogus talking points then expect the host to make a defense against it.
That is bull shit.
You prove your talking point is fact.

[JTFrog]

15. You are entitled to your own opinion, but not to making shit up and calling it fact.

But by all means....

Please proceed. Please proceed governor.

[upaloopa]

27. If it were a known fact she wouldn't be running

[JTFrog]

32. He didn't last long. n/t

[LonePirate]

21. The blue wall guarantees 250+ EVs even for Chafee or the former candidate Webb.

Hillary can sleep through the election season and easily win 20 more. Rubio, Bush or Kasich are the only Repubs that could make any Dem candidate sweat and even then finding 20 more EVs will not be difficult. The media loves to tout the close horse race national polls; but in the EV race - the only one that matters - any Dem, even Hillary - is the overwhelming favorite.

Sanders may turn out more of the youth vote. Hillary will make up for that by grabbing more votes from the 50+ crowd, from whites and from southerners than Obama received in 2012. His 2012 EV total is what she realistically starts with in 2016. She will not lose CO, FL, NV, OH or VA. She likely flips NC back to blue. She makes the Repubs spend time and money in AZ, GA, KY and possibly even TX if Castro is her VP. The Repubs cannot win if they are playing defense in those states. If Trump or Carson somehow end up being the nominee, Hillary will bring blue to some states that have been red for decades.

While I personally would prefer a Sanders presidency, there is little doubt that Clinton will be a powerhouse on Election Day.

[D Gary Grady]

26. I'd really like to see us rise above this schoolyard stuff

With all due respect, guys, pretending to laugh at someone's opinion really doesn't advance the conversation. Neither does double-dog-daring somebody to respond so you can pretend to be the winner if they ignore you. Where do you think you are? YouTube?

Worse, it doesn't change any opinions, it makes unnecessary enemies, and it gets in the way of the legitimate points you could otherwise get across.

Hillary does have some serious electoral negatives, especially in connection with her perceived arrogance and lack of honesty and openness. If she's the Democratic nominee I hope nothing blows up that puts President Trump in office. But every other candidate has serious negatives as well. For instance, calling himself a "socialist" hurts Bernie with a lot of voters, not all of whom would necessarily vote Republican anyway. I won't even try to catalog the negatives for the Republicans. A case can be made that there's no way any of the people currently running could possibly get elected, and yet there's a pretty good chance that *somebody* will.

[BooScout]

10. ...

[jfern]

2. I sure hope not

Because why the hell would we nominate a 3rd wayer with terrible favorables over a more popular actual liberal?

[mythology]

20. By what measure is Sanders more popular?

He's made gains but Clinton is ahead nationally by 20 or or so points and that was with Biden in the poll. Evidence says Clinton benefits from Biden dropping out as every poll shows Clinton receiving most of Biden's support.

[jfern]

29. He's got a much better net favorable rating than her

[randys1]

4. BASH BASH BASH Hillary, BASH BASH BASH

[JRLeft]

6. It's a wrap, the party closed ranks around Hillary. The low information voters

will vote for the candidate they know.

[Chitown Kev]

16. Low-information voters such as...

why the need for this insult.

Other voters may have different criteria, different information, emphasis on other information, but that does not make them "low-information."

[JRLeft]

18. They have no idea Hillary is bought and paid for. I work with several of them.

They believe Bill Clinton was good for the country when he was one of the culprits responsible for the 2007-2008 economic collapse.

[jfern]

31. Pretty much

For some reason Bill's record hasn't gotten much attention. All sort of terrible deregulation, including Glass Seagall. Welfare reform, NAFTA, and so on. All losers for the lower and middle classes.

[JRLeft]

33. They have no idea about Hillary's support of the financial industry.

[jfern]

35. Bernie's campaign is going to have to come up a few key attacks to make

Otherwise no one will know that.

[FSogol]

7. Man, some people really give up easy. Have a little faith. The DNC doesn't have the ability to

crown anyone. Show up at your primary or caucus and vote. Get your friends and family voting too.

[JRLeft]

14. I will still work for Bernie, but it's an uphill battle.

[FSogol]

22. It was always going to be an uphill battle. Nothing has changed. n/t

[JRLeft]

24. True, but it's a hell of a lot harder.

[FSogol]

25. Nope, not one iota harder. Someone who wasn't going to run, not running changes nothing. n/t

[Agschmid]

30. +1

[upaloopa]

8. What is over?

Hey I am turning 70 next year and I look toward to kicking some repub butt in 2016.
We will have Hillary in the White House,
Sanders, Warren, Harris and Feingold in the Senate.
The Dem party is moving left, the repubs are falling apart.
We may take back the Senate in Nov.
Maybe if we are lucky we can improve our chances in the States.
We most likely can turn the SCOTUS to a liberal majority.
The economy most likely will continue to improve.
Interest rates remain low.
Here in CA we might have a wet winter.

[FSogol]

9. Game over man, Game over...

[enid602]

12. unny

Ha ha! Bernie Tune crack me up.

[Tipperary]

17. That is exceptionally pessimistic.

I would not count anyone out as yet. Even as a "Queen Hillary" supporter.

This type of thing is so unnecessary.

[Vincardog]

19. Does this mean that the caucuses have been canceled? Should I call all the people I have pledged

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To caucus for Bernie and tell them to stay home next Feb.?
No fking way. I am go make sure Iowa goes for BERNIE.

[mythology]

23. Obviously yes

I don't get this doom and gloom from some Sanders supporters.

There is still time for Sanders to gain support. He raised an outstanding amount of money last quarter. Even if he doesn't win the nomination he can still influence the tenor of the election and the larger political direction.

There are down ticket races both locally and nationally. Can they really not find any other candidate that appeals to them?

[liberal_at_heart]

34. The teamsters didn't win workers' rights over night and neither will we.

It will be a long, long, hard fight. We may very well not win this election, but we have to keep fighting.

[Fumesucker]

36. Go placidly amid the noise and the waste

Know what to kiss

And when