Third Way/DLC democrats are bad for the middle class with their

[JRLeft]

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pro billionaire class economics. The Penny Pritzker side of the party. These people donate and are rewarded with cabinet positions.

[stonecutter357]

1. Clinton is destoying republicans.

[yurbud]

55. more accurately, the bosses think she will do their job better and we aren't the bosses

[stonecutter357]

65. I am one of the bosses

[yurbud]

66. Robert Ruben?

[Agschmid]

2. That just isn't an accurate representation of our choice here.

[JRLeft]

3. Since when isn't Hillary a DLC/Third Way dem?

[Agschmid]

6. I said it wasn't an accurate respresentation of our choice.

I didn't say she wasn't, and to be really honest I'm not personally super concerted if she was part of the DLC or Third Way.

That's really what it boils down to, it is what it is.

[JRLeft]

10. She's represents Wall Street that's bad enough.

[Agschmid]

13. I don't believe she does...

I mean she actually did represent Wall St. when she was a senator but hey it was in her "district".

[JRLeft]

14. And they funded her campaign.

[Agschmid]

15. Which campaign, can you be more specific?

[JRLeft]

30. Her Senate campaign, 08 campaign, and her present campaign.

The her personal campaign and her PAC.

[leftofcool]

4. Nope, not at all.

[JRLeft]

5. Actually Hillary is.

[NCTraveler]

7. This makes no in today's politics.

Great start for a book.

[YabaDabaNoDinoNo]

8. They are Republicans period! Call em what they are!

[JRLeft]

9. We are suppose to pretend like they're not.

[YabaDabaNoDinoNo]

16. I refuse to pretend

[in_cog_ni_to]

19. ...

That was funny.

But true.

I think what we are dealing with here are people with money and they're just like the people on the other side who always say - "I earned it and I am going to keep what I earned." You know, the old pull yourself up by your bootstraps? Of course they would never admit it, but it's true. Or they're women and just want a female President - the rest if the country be damned. Or they work on Wall St. Or own a corporation or work in the executive branch of a corporation and don't want to give up their privileges.

[JRLeft]

31. We definitely have some 1% on this board providing answers to

why Bill with all of his deregulation isn't on of the people responsible for the 07 - 08 economic collapse.

They've given crappie answers for her acceptance of Wall Street money, like wouldn't you take free money too, and just because she takes their money doesn't mean she will do their bidding. Then you have the people who won't believe her Wall Street connection no matter how much evidence is provided.

[CharlotteVale]

11. ^ ^ THIS ^ ^

[JRLeft]

12. Remember after all we are the professional left and have no where to go

ask Hillary's buddy Rahm.

[YabaDabaNoDinoNo]

17. Those who vote out of FEAR have no place to go the rest of us have choices.

[dsc]

29. Well if they are Republicans I am sure you can list

all of the many, many federally elected Republicans who are in favor of renewing the Voting Rights Act, the equality act, funding planned parenthood, keeping abortion legal, keeping marriage equality legal, and so on. Here let me help you. Here is the full list.
























yep that's the list.

[Recursion]

18. So DU has really convinced itself that Clinton's terms were bad for the middle class?

The largest drop in unemployment in 70 years, the largest increase in median wages in 40 years, the largest decrease in crime in US history, doubling the rate of college attendance, the largest peacetime economic expansion in US history, the largest reduction in the budget deficit in history (at least until the current one under Obama), the first mandated family and medical leave act in the country's history... all of that gets thrown out the window, because 10 months ago people learned the word "neoliberal".

[in_cog_ni_to]

20. NAFTA. 60,000 ... SIXTY THOUSAND factories GONE because of it. ONE MILLION JOBS LOST

Because of NAFTA.

[Recursion]

23. And 23 million jobs gained over the same period

At higher median wages (again, the only time since the 1970s that has happened).

NAFTA didn't destroy nearly as many jobs as the tech boom of the 90s did. Shouldn't we be more focused on reversing the tech boom?

[in_cog_ni_to]

24. NAFTA. 60,000 ... SIXTY THOUSAND factories GONE because of it. ONE MILLION JOBS LOST

Because of NAFTA.

[Recursion]

25. Ten million jobs lost because of the Internet. Ten million.

Ten million jobs, gone, because of the Internet. We should get rid of it, right?





Almost everything in economics both creates and destroys jobs. It's dishonest to just look at the one side.

The record of the 1990s for working Americans speaks for itself, and you're fooling yourself if you pretend otherwise.

[in_cog_ni_to]

26. And just think...if we still had those 60,000 Factories, many of those unemployed techies might come

Be able to find a job at one of them, instead of being hung out to dry by having their jobs outsourced to India. I can't remember the last time I had tech help or just plain old customer service by an English speaking American. If that makes you happy, fine, but Americans could just as easily do those jobs.

NAFTA cost this country 60,000 factories. Now, we pretty much make nothing and get cheap crap from China instead.

[Recursion]

27. What unemployed techies?

My God, seriously: you got that exactly backwards.

This actually explains a lot.

Techies destroyed the jobs of receptionists, couriers, travel agents, bank tellers... Those were the tens of millions of jobs that were destroyed.

[PowerToThePeople]

32. Techies get paid more than those other jobs.

More higher end technical jobs were created in the 90s than lost low wage jobs. Then around 2000, companies started offshoring the high tech work to Mexico and Asia. But in the 90s, much of that technology was built in the USA.

[JRLeft]

33. Now it's built in Asia.

Those facts are to be ignored.

[PowerToThePeople]

35. Correct

Due to normalized relations with China, NAFTA, and other trade policies.

[Recursion]

39. OMG this is amazing. You still don't get it.

The techies whose jobs were "replaced" in India and China destroyed tens of millions of jobs in the US. Bank tellers. Travel agents. Couriers. Jobs that just don't exist anymore.

[PowerToThePeople]

40. Apples and oranges.

Techology does advance. I have no issue with this. I do have issue with US firms chosing offshore low wage labor over US labor and believe those products should have tariffs against them in order to keep more work on shore.

[Recursion]

42. No! Only to people with an axe to grind about mid-century industrialism

There's no apples or oranges.

Our accidental takeover of world industrial output came and went.

Nothing, and I mean nothing puts us back there. We had a good run.

[PowerToThePeople]

47. I disagree, completely. n/t

[Recursion]

34. Now you're getting it

Lower paying jobs are destroyed, and replaced by a smaller number of higher paying jobs.

Your mistake is attributing this to a particular treaty, rather than grasping that it is just the way of the world.

[PowerToThePeople]

36. I did no such thing.

You attributed the boom of the 90s to Clinton. I attributed it to US industry. I also attribute the job loses to offshoring that work to low wage countries due to our trade policies.

[JRLeft]

37. His policies are one of the reasons we are fucked today.

[Agschmid]

56. I don't think they get it...

It's funny they want to have the Internet revolution yet don't understand what that does to the economy.

[PowerToThePeople]

21. The tech boom of the 90s

Would have happened regardless of who was in office. It just happened that the timing of the exponential expansion occurred in Clinton's tenure.

Those additional college kids left with student debt burdens never before seen. Many are still deeply underwater due to the loss of job prospects due to NAFTA.

[Recursion]

22. The tech boom of the 90s destroyed millions of jobs.

Millions.

[ibegurpard]

58. Clinton ' s terms

With his zeal for deregulation,free trade instead of fair trade, and "free-market" solutions set the stages for the hole we are in today. Clinton II will not repudiate this policy direction and is thus not to be trusted.

[heads up]

28. Oh, Big Plans

Teasing out Clinton's plans for Social Security, because she's sure not going to tell you, yet. Means testing!

"Issues with Clinton’s Views on Social Security

To begin, remember the words I asked you to mentally mark down? (To review: “especially for women,” “our most vulnerable”, “the poorest recipients,” “they need more help” and “those people who need it the most.”) Think about it: They all imply that Clinton wishes to introduce Social Securiyt benefits that are defined using eligibility requirements (“especially,” “most vulnerable,” “poorest”, “need”). That is, Clinton proposes to convert Social Security from a universal program of social insurance to a welfare program. This is a poisoned chalice that will destroy Social Security as we know it. Social Security should not be means-tested:"


http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/10/hillary-clinton-on-social-security-expansion-words-are-wind-a-cold-wind.html

[MohRokTah]

38. Extremist leftist demcratic-socialists want to give everybody free shit and not pay for it.

See, anybody can play this silly rhetorical bullshit game.

[MohRokTah]

45. You don't understand sarcastic rhetoric demonstating a point?

I suggest a remedial reading course.

[ibegurpard]

59. I do

Good sarcasm requires an element of truth and is usually somewhat funny...yours meets neither benchmark. Stick to math.

[Sheepshank]

41. another is a string of baseless posts from this OP

no value to the post, no evidence, no back up, just another opinion posted as if it were fact.

[zappaman]

44. +1

[JRLeft]

46. So the ability to not negotiate with big Pharma, that's phony right?

Deregulation, TPP, this is all a facade right a figment of my imagination?

[Sheepshank]

48. if that's what you wanted to talk about, then post that with you supporting info.

your op is a hot mess of nothing.

[JRLeft]

49. No actually it's a fact and you just admitted it.

[Sheepshank]

50. your posting habits continue to be vapid and a collosal waste of my time. Bye

[ibegurpard]

60. So don't reply

[One of the 99]

51. The DLC disbanded years ago.

Whenever I see someone here rant about the DLC it reminds me of right-wingers who still complain about Acorn. Just hopelessly stuck in the past.

[JRLeft]

52. They're called the Third Way now.

[One of the 99]

53. Then just say Third Way

Why bring up an organization that disbanded?

[Agschmid]

57. I think it's a name calling thing?

[One of the 99]

61. Must be

Especially since Third Way is an international think tank that's not connected with the Democratic party.

[ibegurpard]

62. Oh yeah

They just packed up shop. The brand had become toxic. The same policies are still being pushed by the same actors. How stupid do you think people are?

[One of the 99]

63. Same could be said of Acorn

And like those on the right who hate Acorn and all it stood for, you can't see beyond your own hate.

[yurbud]

54. they are rewarded with dictating policy

[zappaman]

64. Ok. n/t