2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBOOM! - Hillary Clinton, just now: “We need leadership at home to match our leadership abroad.”
Hillary Clinton @HillaryClinton 13 minutes ago
"We need leadership at home to match our leadership abroad.
Leadership that puts national security ahead of politics and ideology." Hillary
https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton
marmar
(76,985 posts)Perhaps that's not the best example, n'est-ce pas?
My first response...what 'leadership' would that be?
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,112 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)And to herself. She may want to rephrase that.
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)expolitating every corner of the planet for their resources is now called "leadership". OKIE DOKIE!
William769
(55,124 posts)Maybe if you all were watching the hearing you would understand the quote.
But I see some want nothing more that to take cheap shots. Got it.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)just doesn't cut it.
YabaDabaNoDinoNo
(460 posts)Is murder.
American "leadership" needs to stand trial for war crimes
bvar22
(39,909 posts)"Using the us military to kill hundreds of thousands of poor defenseless people is not leadership it is murder."
William769
(55,124 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)What are you trying to just say?
Why so cryptic?
Go ahead and finish your sentence.
I have been just saying that everyone who voted FOR or helped Bush start the illegal war,
or helped to cover up the War Crimes committed by the Bush Administration
is an accessory to the War Crimes.
AndreaCG
(2,331 posts)Just saying...................
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Can you write simple, declarative sentences expressing your opinion?
or do you fantasize you are Perry Mason.
Come On.
Don't cop out with a "just saying.
Say what YOU mean....and mean what you say.
What do YOU believe.
I am not interested in innuendo promoted by asking leading questions.
In fact, that kind of a response is RUDE on a Discussion Board.
sheshe2
(83,355 posts)Poof! Gone!
Lol~
artislife
(9,497 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)And send brown children back across the border.
This brown person is watching her actions.
sheshe2
(83,355 posts)privileges were revoked per Skinner.
hmmm~
artislife
(9,497 posts)Doesn't change H history though, does it?
jfern
(5,204 posts)We could use a lot less of Hillary's "leadership" abroad. We're sick of the endless wars in the middle east. That $2 trillion Iraq war led to the creation of ISIS. She spewed lies about a Saddam Al Qaeda connection without even bothering to read the intelligence reports. The Chair of the Senate Intelligence Commitee, Bob Graham said every Senator should read it. He voted no. I want someone who does their damn job and at least reads the damn intel before voting for a $2 trillion war.
AndreaCG
(2,331 posts)Cause maybe my memory is faulty but I don't remember democrats bringing it up then.
jfern
(5,204 posts)And held my nose in the general to vote for him. And no, he didn't claim there was an Iraq Al Qaeda connection. Even Joe Lieberman said that wasn't proven. But Hillary stated it as fact. And Kerry later voted against Kyl-Lieberman, which allowed Bush to start an Iran war. Hillary voted for that. And today Hillary wants a "no fly zone" where Russian planes are fly. Obama, Bernie, and presumably Kerry oppose that.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)AndreaCG
(2,331 posts)And you are correct that she made the Iraq Al Qaeda connection. I tried to see if she had retracted that but my computer wasn't opening the articles I wanted to see. I'm not quite sure what your no fly zone comment meant as it wasn't complete. I will look into this a little further another day. However even if her foreign policy is poor, she still is ahead of the least bad of the republicans (Pataki?) in many ways and the ones leading the pack are nightmare inducing.
jfern
(5,204 posts)Most of the Republicans and her support it, while Obama and the other Democrats oppose it.
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/10/14/is-clintons-no-fly-zone-really-on-the-table.html
AndreaCG
(2,331 posts)I detest Putin but wouldn't want to test him without allies in Europe willing to back me up.
I found Obama's comment very interesting. I've mentioned before how I won a dinner with him last year. Prior to that the only person I know who met him was a journalist friend who interviewed him prior to 2008 and said he was the second most unpleasant politician he had ever interviewed. He used the term arrogant, which might be racist except my friend is black too and hardly the self loathing type. It made me reluctant to support Obama for a long time. Yet I don't hear anyone outside the RW horror chamber call him arrogant. People can evolve.
I will have to think about how Hillary will actually conduct her foreign policy. It surely won't be worse than the R candidates, but is it enough to switch my vote in the primary?
jfern
(5,204 posts)but shooting down Russian planes in Syria seems like a very bad idea.
sheshe2
(83,355 posts)privileges are no more, just saying~
99Forever
(14,524 posts)That's why I'll never vote for Hillary.
AndreaCG
(2,331 posts)That'll show the American people what they deserve if they don't feel the Bern.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)We can only vote for electors, based on our state's number of Representative and Senators. My own state has only voted for a Democratic ticket if it has included at least one Southerner, since the 1940s. The only time my vote (if I had been allowed to vote) would have had a chance to make a difference since that time was in 1968, when it was pretty close between Hubert Humphrey and George Wallace.
AndreaCG
(2,331 posts)And I bet you have no idea whether the poster I did address lives in a red, blue or purple state. However, one of the chief complaints against Debbie Wasserman Schultz and the other leaders of the DNC is that they no longer follow Howard Dean's 50 state strategy, which resulted in some wins in states that had been previously written off. Instead of telling people like you who lives in a red state to forget about voting because your vote will never count, we must get every Democrat and also independents to the polls in all the states, in every election. There are some states which a democratic presidential candidate hasn't won in eons, but a senator or governor or house member has. Or state or local officials. You're being defeatist, which is what the elites want in an electorate.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)I have voted in just about every election I have been qualified for, and that dates back to the '70s. But in the last presidential election, Obama didn't have an ice cube's chance of winning the state, and there was almost nothing on the ballot between county races and the presidential race-- just token opposition to an entrenched Republican representative. Elections for all of our state offices are now held in mid-term years. But I still vote in every election I am aware of and qualified for.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)So, just what the fuck are you babbling on about?
heads up
(55 posts)this show on PBS, right before we started hearing about this ISIS on the teevee. These guys main beef was that they were only getting uniforms, rifles and boots. They wanted heavier weapons. Thanks Barack! Thanks Hillary!
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/syria-arming-the-rebels/
jfern
(5,204 posts)Not the good kind of BOOM