2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumRepublicans used Benghazi to score political points; and so does Hillary.
I remember when the Benghazi scandal first broke. Once again, the Republicans used ridiculous lies to tear down a Democrat. Their behavior was shameful and outrageous.
It was obvious that Republicans were using the tragic deaths of our American diplomats in Benghazi as a marketing device. They were manufacturing scandal and using Benghazi to:
1.) Score political points and
2.) Paint Hillary in a specific light (un-presidential).
It now appears that the Hillary campaign and her surrogates are also using the Benghazi hearings to:
1.) Score political points and
2.) Paint Hillary in a specific light (presidential).
Since the hearings, the Clinton camp has repeatedly asserted that Hillary's stellar performance is evidence that she would make a fantastic president.
Did Hillary do a good job at these hearings? Absolutely. She handled herself very well. If I were to grade her on style, I'd give her an A+. She spoke cogently and even deflected condescending comments--with grace. She set the record straight and made the Republicans look absurd with her cool, calm demeanor.
However, what Hillary Clinton did or said during those nine hours in Congress--in answering to those Republican fools--has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton's policies, her political stances or where she obtains her campaign funds. These are the things that really matter if she were to become President.
Instead of focusing on stellar performances, gotcha moments and stylistics, we should be focused on Hillary's politics and what they would mean for our country at this critical time.
Among Hillary Clinton's biggest campaign donors are: Citigroup ($782,000), Goldman Sacs ($711,000), JP Morgan Chase ($620,000) and Morgan Stanley (543,000). She will be beholden to the big banks that she claims she will fight. Hillary Clinton has taken money from the for-profit prison system as well as Big Pharma. She also takes Super Pac funds, and who knows what hidden special interests are packaged in such a mess. She has repeatedly touted the abundance of oil and gas production in this country, which has happened, in large part, due to fracking. How can you be serious about climate-change when you're spouting Big Oil talking points?
Look, I appreciate Hillary putting those nefarious Republicans in their place, as much as the next person. But let's not allow one day of answering questions to overshadow what's really important.
Hillary won't suggest a bank break up. She's against reinstating Glass-Stegall and has been nearly silent on the issue while Elizabeth Warren dukes it out on the front lines. In July of this year, Hillary spoke at the New School for Social Research and outlined her plan for slashing corporate taxes and loosen regulations. So, America's corporations need to pay less in taxes?
How you perform in front of Congress is interesting--but what's really relevant is that multinational corporations need to pay their fair share, not middle-class folks. Enough is enough!
Hillary Clinton's foreign-policy and war stances are troubling as well. Robert Kagan is a well-known neocon and he has praised Hillary's viewpoints, which include: Voting for the Iraq war and suggesting that the US should arm Syrian rebels. Hillary has also said that we would "go to war with Iran" if needed. She said things things during a sensitive time when Obama and Kerry were fighting to make diplomatic efforts work with Iran--as the right-wing criticized Obama and Kerry for being "soft". Hillary's views seem more in line with the neocons.
And who can forget about the now-famous 1998 letter that the neocons wrote to Hillary's husband, President Clinton? The letter demanded that President Clinton launch war against Iraq. President Clinton rejected the letter--which was signed by Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld and other assorted neocons. Bottom line--Hillary has always understood that these neocons wanted war with Iraq as far back as 1998--because they asked her husband for it! Still, Hillary voted for the Iraq war, knowing this. She could have waved that letter on the floor of the Senate and singlehandedly stopped the war with Iraq. But she didn't. Did she? (Link to the letter for those who find this as incredulous as I do: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5527.htm)
Using the Benghazi hearings to claim that Hillary would be a wonderful president--is as legitimate as the Republicans using Benghazi to claim that she is un-presidential. Both points are irrelevant. Both sides are using a tragedy, and the political aftermath of that tragedy--for political posturing.
Benghazi is a moot point, when it comes to defining someone's presidential qualifications.
To overstate what Hillary Clinton's Benghazi testimony means--is to allow political theater to overshadow her policies and politics--which are clearly wrong for this country.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)You know what also matters for President's? ... Maybe, in our system of governance, more than policy positions (we have a legislature, that is independent of the Office of the President); but, certainly more than whom has financed her campaign ... that's right ... style, the ability to speak cogently and deflected condescending comments--with grace, before a hostile audience. As well as, the ability to set the record straight with cool, calm demeanor.
Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)She did not mention it once at the JJ dinner. The lies are disgusting.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)...that I made about her policies and her views--are facts.
And to suggest that just because she didn't mention the hearings during the JJ dinner--means that the Clinton campaign didn't use this as a device--is ridiculous.
Her surrogates were all over the MSM touting her performance as evidence of her presidential bona fides.
Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)Chan790
(20,176 posts)On Mon Oct 26, 2015, 12:33 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
Republicans used Benghazi to score political points; and so does Hillary.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251728821
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
How could this be allowed on a democratic board? Come on.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Oct 26, 2015, 12:42 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: There is absolutely nothing wrong with the post. As a matter of fact I think it deserves a big K
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Meh.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Even if I do not agree with the user, I don't think this needs to be hidden.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: There is no violation here. I know because I read the whole thing twice looking for the violation before I looked to the alerter's comments and since they can't tell me what the violation is and neither of the responses identifies a violation as opposed to a small discrepancy of interpretation being called a "lie"...I have to conclude there is no violation. Someone just doesn't like the OP's opinion and wants to silence them. No dice...not from me, at-least.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)I personally think this post should be exposed. It shows how ugly this place has become.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)...and the corporatism she represents.
I am aghast at her political stances and policies. That is the reason that I wrote the post.
Being against Hillary's Clinton's big-bank campaign donors, and wondering why in the world she would vote for the Iraq war, knowing damn well that those neocons had been shopping around that war for YEARS--is not ugly.
We don't need a corporatist and a warmonger in the White House representing the Democrats.
That's opinion. Many others share it.
If she is our Democratic nominee, I will consider myself politically homeless. And I have been a staunch Democrat my entire life. I was a precinct captain for Obama and I put in many hours volunteering for the Kerry campaign.
Fighting for what I believe in--for my kids and the future of this country is not "ugly."
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)...and my father used to tell me that backlash against what I wrote--should be taken as a compliment.
I have never had a post alerted and adjudicated. This was clearly a partisan alert.
I am honored and humbled that what I wrote sparked a reaction and that people who don't want to hear the truth--are so threatened by my words.
All you have to do is Google "Clinton Benghazi Hearings Presidential" and hundreds of articles come up. Hundreds. The top articles--from the MSM--tout the notion that her performance ensured her the Democratic nomination and/or solidified her as the next President.
Her surrogates were all over the media furthering these talking points.
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)about her performance.
But, I also mentioned that the "E-Mails/Benghazi" was a distraction from what should really be investigated which is the Clinton Foundation and Hillary's ties as SOS to that Foundation through her Husband and Daughter. The Repub Investigation was bogus. But, we need to worry about what will come out about Clinton Foundation in the coming months and particularly if she is the nominee.
Your post brings up some of the conflicts of interest.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)...are completely bogus.
I've been listening to right-wing radio since 1995--and the Clintons have been the focus of many manufactured scandals. Not one of them has been rooted in fact.
Must of these scandals are absurd and were furthered without any evidence.
I agree with Hillary. There is a fast right-wing conspiracy. Limbaugh has accused the Clintons of killing Vince Foster. Then there's Whitewater and the cattle futures scandal. All Ridiculous. So much air time wasted on this nonsense.
There's so much to analyze and talk about, when it comes to policy differences. I that's what the focus should be. That's what people really want to hear. Those are the things that affect their lives.