Just something interesting I noticed...

[bravenak]

Do you see that Hillary Clinton has nearly the same amount of a lead in points over Bernie as Bernie has points?

I was thinking that maybe he should just suspend his campaign? What do you think?

Hillary is obviously going to win, and I'm sure she prefers O'Malley over Sanders as VP... We could see the end of this thing by December if he dropps out and have all that extra time to BEAT THE REPUBLICANS!!!

[randys1]

1. LOL -- not gonna happen!

Bernie is gonna fight to the end, whenever that is.

If she is the ultimate winner, and the Hillary hate isnt strong enough to give the GE to the terrorists, we will see how effective the movement is in that how much of their issues does she adopt.

The supporters of Bernie have a job to do if Hillary wins, and that is to support her and encourage her to do what Bernie would have done.

[kelliekat44]

22. Problem: BS supporters do not = Bernie Sanders...unless I have misjudged him. nt

[kenfrequed]

75. You guys really need to stop that.

Calling Bernie Sanders supporters or Bernie Sanders 'BS' is childish and insulting.

Bernie is in it for the long haul and so are his supporters. We knew this would be a tough race when he was polling at single digits. Now he is somewhere around 30% nationally and leading in New Hampshire. Why would we give up?

[bkkyosemite]

93. Sorry Bernie is for a different future for our country

and that is no more corrupt Oligarchy. Clinton is one of them she is with corporate agendas and Oligarchy thought processes. I will not support her.

I do not understand that many think that those who support Bernie will go along with supporting Hillary because it's the dems way. But the two candidates are like apples and oranges. Bernie supporters are supporting him for many reasons that have to do with changing the corruption we are living in while Hillary goes along with the status quo because she is the status quo.

[frylock]

103. No, thanks.

[randys1]

113. some can afford that, Gay and Woman and Black dont dare, their very lives are at stake

[frylock]

130. Well then they better get out there and knock on some doors.

[Fred Sanders]

40. Not for life, 8 years, making 16 with a Democrat in the WH, is good!

[mmonk]

3. Excellent idea. Because ideas and positions that mean a lot in many peoples' lives

mean little in the long run to a political party's objectives.

[RobertEarl]

4. Hahahahah

No one should be placing any faith in polls. People that do at this point are obvious novices.

Have a nice day.

[think]

5. How about Hillary drop out and let a true progressive lead the Democrats.

[restorefreedom]

6. this is far from wrapped up

i remember she was a lock in 08 and we know what happened. there is plenty of time yet, and by every metric (number of donors, etc), bernie is ahead of where obama was at this time.

also, from a strategic point of view, a longer primary would be better for the dems. Because once the nominee becomes apparent whoever it is, the Republicans will have all that time to dig the dirt, smear the mud, and convince the American people that a socialist commie gun grabbing wacko wants to take over the country and kill their rights. a longer GE campaign means a lot longer time for the Republicans smear machine to be in operation.

[upaloopa]

16. Again for the umpteen time, Bernie is not Obama

[restorefreedom]

21. you are absolutely correct.

bernie is a TRUE progressive and that is why he is in even better shape than obama was at this time.

[99th_Monkey]

31. +100 nt

[Betty Karlson]

176. True, that.

And no amount of DWS is going to save Mrs. Clinton from voters under 35.

[restorefreedom]

181. they can see through her transparent game playing. nt

[PatrickforO]

30. We have not had a candidate as good as Bernie since FDR.

Bernie is even better, actually. I think the establishment, Clinton supporters, oligarchs and the corporate owned media organs might have a bit of a surprise coming.

[workinclasszero]

157. "Again for the umpteen time, Bernie is not Obama"

Bernie fans cannot understand this for some reason, but they will, soon.

[Scootaloo]

7. Eduard Khil sings this way better n/t

[HassleCat]

8. Not a good idea

If nothing else, Sanders continues to cause Clinton to make progressive noises. As soon as he drops out, Clinton's rightward sprint to the middle begins. figure if she spends a little more time in progressive territory, she might get semi-comfortable there.

[bravenak]

19. I don't believe that about Clinton

[restorefreedom]

24. don't believe...what?

that she will sprint to the right in a general?

you have said before that both Hillary and Bernie are to your right. So I'm curious as to why you want the leftist of the left to wrap up his candidacy so early, especially since he is bringing so many labor and economic injustice issues into the national conversation and into his campaign.

as to the sprint to the right comment made by the other poster, I really don't believe that Hillary can win a general election, but if she has any chance at all, she will have to appeal to center right candidates who have a strong capitalist bent and don't mind military action. it would really be her only option in a general.

[bravenak]

25. I think republicans are so insane that she won't need to.

[restorefreedom]

27. they definitely are a kooky bunch. and i hope she doesn't move right on policy. nt

[bravenak]

37. Me too. But nothing will get through, if she moved right they'd move righter until they fell off

the edge of the earth.

[restorefreedom]

38. i fear they are headed in that direction anyway.

and nice flat earth refernce.

[bravenak]

39. This is a very red state and the repubs are QUIET...

They lost the Gov to an independent who is a 'the party left me' kinda ex republican. The dem linked up with him and now the repubs are floundering. They had full control. They broke our bank and bankrupted us. This is happening all over. We can take it all back. They may hate dems, but I was talking to a rightie (they love me, dunno why) and she likes Clinton and Carson but thinks Trump is a phoney and a leftist and she would rather have a regulart democrat than a fake republican. What?!?! Purely anecdotal but Trump is not everybodies idea of a republican. She was mad at the party for letting him run, called them sell outs. Plus she wants a woman prez.

[restorefreedom]

41. very interesting.....

i also notice that the person you talked to likes carson hmmmmmm...is your state particularly religious and do you think carson has an edge there?

also she wants a women pres but is not on board with fiorina.... another hmmmmm

[bravenak]

42. Church on everydamn corner.

If I look out my window, I can see two facing each other. Carson will win here if he is the nominee. Doctor? Religious? Stabbed a guy but repented? Oh yeah. They love repentance and we all love knives and we have alcoholism so we understand fits of violence.

She thinks Fiorina cause her company to lose money and jobs. And kinda like a woman Trump she said.

You should see the bumperstickers. My god. Anti abortion, with a dead fetus in full color, econimic freedom decals, yes on pebble (pollution pollution pollution), no on weed... She gave me free concert tickets and tickets to the van gogh exhibit for my kids, tho. Nice lady. Interesting politics.

[restorefreedom]

47. sounds like a conflicted person and place

although the place sounds less conflicted than the person. sounds like a bastion of wingnuttery. soooooo glad i have never seen any of the fetus bumper stickers. nra i am used to even though i don't like them..dead fetuses....don't think i could get used to seeing those in the local grocery.

[bravenak]

48. It is crazy.

Hippies and oil drilling.

[restorefreedom]

49. interesting combo. nt

[Chitown Kev]

67. lol, damn bravenak, lol

This is SUCH an epic comment

[bravenak]

70. Hahaha!! I have a strange worlview.

This is a strange place.

[npk]

168. But you stated that HC's only chance at winning a general is to move to center right

So if she doesn't move to the center she has no chance. HC can only move so far to center right anyway, as her husband had perhaps the narrowest angle on that ground and he barely got elected. Bernie would likely have to move to the center also, but it's doubtful that he would be able to make that slide in such a short amount of time, given his current far left stance. HC might be the best candidate of the two, but in another way she might be the only candidate that can pick up the more moderate conservatives that value conservative economics an socially liberal ideology. The more HC move to the center the more electable she becomes, but at the same time the more far left progressives will consider her to be abandoning their principals. It's quite the interior battle within the party.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

177. Bernie can't 'move to the center'.

His current voters would drop him like a rock if he went 'Hillary' on us. The whole reason he's got the support he has is that he ISN'T in the center. Such a move would cost him 90% of the support he has now.

[restorefreedom]

180. strategically it would be her only chance

but honestly I don't think it matters because she can't win a general election anyway. Not only will many many disenfranchised progressives probably stay home or vote green or write Bernie's name, she will get zero Republicans to vote for her. In fact they will crawl over broken glass during the middle of a snowstorm to vote against her. That's how much they hate her. Bernie on the other hand is not only garnering the interest of millions of young people, he has tremendous crossover appeal and has support within the Republican Party and Young Conservatives. So it really doesn't matter we can talk about Hillary strategy all day long, she's probably not even going to be in the general election so it's probably moot. and unfortunately if she does make it to the general election they will be a president Trump. But you're right about the fight within the party, and that's exactly why many disenfranchise people would stay home or not vote for the Democratic candidate. We are sick and tired of people singing the right tune just to get our support during the primaries and then completely abandoning us for the general. Bernie doesn't have to move to the center, because his ideas and policies are exactly what people are responding to. And they know from him, it's genuine. They know he's not gonna change his mind when he gets to the White House. That's the problem with moving left and right to try to get votes. Everyone sees the game you're playing.

[kenfrequed]

76. I think the republicans are too insane to get elected.

Which is another reason I want to put the most progressive and forward thinking candidate in as the nominee.

One of many reasons I support Sanders.

[bravenak]

78. Yes.

And I support Hillary and O'malley because of their connection to the african american community and how inclusive their supporters are to my group. They magnify our voices and help defend us from cries of race baiter and online harassment. Good group.

[bravenak]

9. Seemed like a good plan to me.

[Autumn]

10. A lot of us have noticed some interesting things...

[bravenak]

12. Oh, I HOPE so. That was my goal to be transparent.

[Autumn]

34. You surpassed your goal.

[bravenak]

36. I always do. Gifted!

[NCTraveler]

11. In no way do I think he should suspend his campaign.

He is extremely positive for building up the party. He speaks to the concerns we all care about. Just because he won't win, doesn't mean there is no room for him. A small percentage of the youth at his events will actually register to vote and start to support democrats. Don't let his supporters here fool you into thinking all of his supporters view both parties as the same. Many of these young people tuned in to the republican debate just to watch Trump. That is a difference this time than when Kucinich was running. Many of his supporters have seen the republicans. Many also got to watch Hillary at the hearings and debate, somewhat hoping the worse as they want Sanders to win. Fully acceptable thought to hold in my opinion. What they saw was an amazingly impressive progressive. More are going to stick around in the party this time. Don't get me wrong, it won't be a lot. But I do think it will be more than in past elections just because of how this one is going down.

He is working hard every day to build the democratic party. I support that.

[bravenak]

14. Good answer.

[msongs]

33. gee could you list some of his party building (as opposed to promoting himself) nt

[NCTraveler]

35. Of course a lot of it is self promotion.

Did you watch the debates? He acquitted himself very well as a democrat. He is going all around the country talking about issues we care about and is doing so as a democrat. The party is working with him and using his name to build funds. I'm not sure the direction to your question because it seems extremely obvious to me. Of course much of what he is doing is "promoting himself," as you say. That isn't the whole story.

[upaloopa]

13. I don't see what could change the trend.

I think Bernie is in this to push the debate to the left. I think he will stay in as long as he can afford to do that.
The final straw will be when his supporters throw him under the bus. Given their internet antics it is only inevitable.
Hillary will be President and Sanders will remain in the Senate. Hopefully we win back the Senate so Hillary and Bernie can work together on the issues talked about in the primary.
As far as his supporters go, some will vote for Hillary in the general and remain active others will drop out and remain ineffectual.

[bravenak]

17. I agree. The trend lines speak for themselves.

But I agree that pulling us to the left on economics is important. And hopefully the election season good better than we expect, republicans are floundering, we do not need to be complacent. We can beat the tar out of them if we stand together and fight.,

[NCTraveler]

20. Agreed.

Another reason I like his campaign continuing. The electorate and party are currently rallying around one person. Hillary is building clout, regardless of the Sanders campaign.

[bravenak]

23. Yep. I see us coming together just in time for repubs to fall apart.

[mcar]

51. I agree

I also think Sanders will have more of a voice in the Senate after this, which is a good thing.

[Mark Grable]

84. I think Hillary wants to be President

But doesn't know why.

Bernie Sanders, on the other hand, has a progressive agenda to implement.

Hillary is for sale. She will take money from any Super PAC. Same as the Republicans.

[ColesCountyDem]

86. Welcome to DU!

[postatomic]

15. Maybe after South Carolina, but definitely after Super Tuesday

I just hope that BS holds to his promise to not run as an Independent. The Republicans are hoping and praying that he does. I've noticed a few "threats" to write his name in if he's not on the General Election ballot.

[bravenak]

18. Thise 'threats' really bothered me before but now I ignore them.

I used to stomp my feel and have mini tamtrums. Never worked.

[randys1]

26. Many BErnie supporters dont like Obama, say he is not a progressive. Not true, of course

but if they have that attitude about him, what happens when , NOT IF, Bernie is unable to do 99% of what he campaigns on due to the makeup of the house and senate?

Do these avid BERNIE OR BUST folks sit on their hands in future elections?

[bravenak]

28. That bothers me.

It really does.

[cwydro]

74. Quite a long thread yesterday by someone who said they've never voted,

but will for Bernie.

I got the strong impression he won't vote for Hillary even if she gets the nomination.

I could be wrong of course.

[frylock]

105. Bernie will try, unlike Obama.

[randys1]

115. WE can count on you to stay home if you dont get your way, we know that

we will all work just that much harder to prevent the terrorists from taking over

[frylock]

128. I never stay home..

I may not vote for the candidate that you'd like me to, but I'll be at the polls in November. Good luck in your endeavors.

[randys1]

131. Well, one thing, if Hillary is the candidate and you are not voting for her, at least I wont have

to hear about it here

[frylock]

133. You don't listen anyway.

[randys1]

135. I am an idiot for taking the bait, instead of arguing with people who seem not to care

how their actions hurt others, I should be registering someone to vote.

[frylock]

142. Good luck in your endeavors.

[kenfrequed]

77. It helps if people stop shortening his name to 'BS'

Just a suggestion if you really care about the support of his suppoters.

[bravenak]

79. Do his supporters do the same for us?

I still see 'shillary' and 'race baiter' used and recived no apologies to the aa group for using thees terms to describe them. What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

[kenfrequed]

83. I never used either of those phrases.

As an adult I expect people to be responsible for their own language. I don't use broad generalizations about supporters of any group as the basis for a political decision. I base it on policy.

When I see someone say something I disagree with I call it out. I am not on here as frequently as some people and have not seen as much of either of those terms.

I did see something about the later term in 2008, but I think it was in a slightly different context.

[bravenak]

87. So. We should not label the tea party as racist sonce it was only one sign? Or a few?

Or shoukd they have checked the members of the group and made sure not to give them impression that they were okay with it. Perhaps if you checked them on their behavior like you just did to us, we might not see it as hypocritical of you to come here to do this but ignore the nasty on your sude. I still have seen no apologies from that group to the aa group.

Since you are not here often, perhaps you should go back to July 21 abd Aug 8 and read what they had to say about blm and many others.

[kenfrequed]

98. Huh...

The members of "the group?"

I do check people on their behavoir when I see it. I am not on as much as a lot of the people here.

I think it is odd to choose a candidate based on yahoos on the internet rather than policy, but that is your choice.

I can tell you I have actual contact with hordes of Bernie supporters here in real-life Minnesota and there really isn't any carryover of the kind of content you describe here. I usually dismiss a lot of what I see on the internet though.

[bravenak]

100. I have contact with them too in person.

Same condescension and paternalism. And they are younger than me and barely out of high school. Some are older, but still believe me to be uninformed and need their assistance on how to think properly.

[kenfrequed]

110. Well...

You have my word to go on and I have yours.


I do not believe people that are supporting Hillary are bad, some of my friends support her. I think they are wrong about a number of key issues or I think they haven't looked closely enough at the policies involved. Some of them think I am probably a bit full of myself but that feeling isn't isolated to any particular ethnicity within my circle of friends. (nor is it isolated to presidential politics, I am arrogant.)

I think the problem of having a candidate most people have never heard of is that you sometimes feel you have to break down each position and discuss it.

[bravenak]

114. I think that is part of it.

Thinking louder means better and being scared to run off any supoort even if it is bad support. Up here, a bunch of ron paul babies are the ones who are the biggest bernie supporters and they do all the talking and nobody says boo to them. They get to do whatever they want, say whaever they want, act however they want, because there is no structure that says they can't. But people cannot overlook that stuff just to give Bernie their vote. He has to be a leader and tell people what the rules of engagement are so that the group can know and be able to cite the rules and remove bad actors. Nothing can be done now. Too late. It us at the point where the stuff I have been saying for months is now being discussed by the media because they are revieving the same treatment of twitter bombs and page trolling and they say harassment.
I found a call to action where they were telling fans to spend hours posing on black pages like spam for Bernie. Not cool, blacks are already complaining. We complain and they say, why let people on the internet bother you? Because they are stiil doing it and think they are DOING GOOD WORKS.

[kenfrequed]

118. I don't know.

I also don't know anybodies race or ethnicity on the internet. Anyone can claim anything. I don't know of these black sites or the people that post on them.

I can only base my decisions on policy and ideas. That is ultimately all I have. That is all I can confirm and ultimately that is all I expect of my representatives. I live in Keith Ellison's district in Minneapolis and my name is Ken.

[bravenak]

122. I would vote Keith Ellison for Pres over anybody running maybe even obama.

I'm Bianca. I think everybody knows that by now after the letters that 'du bernie fan' sent to my house. I don't really know who sent those nasty letters bt I know that they really wanted to get me off du and call me a race baiter so badly that they sent TWO letters to wrong addresses and they were routed to me.

[kenfrequed]

125. A terrible thing

And I am sorry it happened to you and feel shame at anyone that would resort to such actions.

[bravenak]

127. Thank you for saying that.

[postatomic]

151. HC or HRC doesn't bother me

But if it offends you or others I'll try my best to type out Bernie Sanders. I get a bit confused with all these abbreviations. For example; I'm still not sure what a PUMA is. Or is it a who/whom rather than a what?

[bravenak]

152. I never do the BS thing either. Sometime BO cause I love him.

It feels like an endearment to shorten a persons name to me.

Isn't puma 'party unity my ass'? And 'people united means action'?

[postatomic]

155. I think it might be 'Party Unity My Ass'

But I'm not sure. And I'll quit using BS.

[bravenak]

158. I think so too.

[kenfrequed]

179. Well...

I honestly never liked the 'BO' abbreviation either, back in 08 it felt like a lot of people were trying to say Obama stinks or something.

[bravenak]

182. It reminded me of Bo Jackson. Remember Bo knows?

[kenfrequed]

184. I get it...

It was just my impression at the time and it was being used in 2007 and 2008 by people that really, really didn't like then Senator Obama.

[jfern]

172. They'd rather attack us non stop

[artislife]

29. What about O'Malley, any thoughts?

[bravenak]

32. I really like O'Malley.

[artislife]

58. Should he stay in the race? nt

[bravenak]

60. He should be VP.

[artislife]

61. So that is a "drop out of the race".

okay.

But I thought h supporters liked "fighters". It is still before the first primary, a little early to pack up and go home for candidates who feel convictions for where they stand on the issues.

[bravenak]

62. I do not see 'fighting'. I see yelling and dissapponiment.

And anger. No hope.

[artislife]

64. From O'Malley? nt

[artislife]

65. Gotta go

but I will be thinking over this new O'Malley meme while I drive.

[bravenak]

66. No.

[Hiraeth]

43. What about Lessig?

[bravenak]

45. Is he running?

[Hiraeth]

53. Sad. Yes, he is. Info here:

https://lessig2016.us/donate/

Twitter
Ian56 · 2 days ago
Lawrence Lessig is running for President in 2016 on campaign finance reform He was shut out of #DemDebate

http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/article/2015/10/27/larry-lessig-power-lunch/

[bravenak]

54. They should let him in the next debate.

[Hiraeth]

57. Yet you think Sanders should throw in the towel? Am I understanding you, correctly?

[bravenak]

59. He is floundering and I want O'Malley.

If O'Malley could beat her I would maybe vote him, but since he cannot then I want him for VP. If Ellison was running I'd vote him.

[artislife]

63. Maybe you should back the candidate you want?

It is still early.

You seem unafraid of fighting for what you want and believe in. You have it in you to stand for what and who speaks for you the most. His supporters would love your help and they aren't mean like us. You could throw the election his way, who knows.

[bravenak]

69. No. This is more interesting.

I am a good fighter. In many ways. But this fight was brought to my door so I am going to win.
If Hillary were not in he would be winning. The black vote would go either to him or Hill. I vote black and fight for black. His supporters are lovely and it makes him look even better. I will be proud to vote for the ticket with him on it. He increases the value to me. I am thinking they will team up regardless so I am fine with going for the default.

[kenfrequed]

82. Uhm

The definition of floundering must have changed. He is polling near 30% in most polls and will be going up. He is winning in New Hampshire. Winning any state will help him.

If you actually want O'Malley he will have to take second place in New Hampshire. Knocking Bernie to second place will not do anything for O'Malley. Taking Hillary down to third place disrupts the election and opens things up.

[bravenak]

91. She has a gap between herself and him that is just as high as his poll numbers. Period.

Hillary will win because she knows how to make alkiances. Has good relations with black voters as do her supporters. Can Bernie say the same? Then he will not win any southern state from her, nor the west, nor the eastern seaboard white has a high population, states like New York. What can Bernie offer?

[kenfrequed]

101. Support who you like

But do it for the right reasons. Do it based on policy and what you know about whatever candidate you choose, not about a bunch of yahoos on the internet that are easily stoked to anger by other yahoos.

Just saying he cannot win in certain states isn't really fair. If Bernie was so completely pointless then why did everyone in the last debate (well except Webb) seem to be adopting a lot of his language on economics?

[bravenak]

104. I vote strategically. I am black.

There has never been a politician in america that aimed policies towards blacks. It's always a little for us and a lot for them. We always get crusts and would under his plan because of the mass incarceration problem leaving our men out. He voted for that just like she supported it. Who is better?
His message on economics is aimed at you, not me. It is not targeted to lift up groups that have been left out so many times, it does not include reparations, nothing to address poverty specifically on reservations or native villiages, I am way leftier than both of them. He does not address the fact that we have defacto separate but equal and will not benefit as much as white from free college because drug felons often cannot get financial aid or food stamps, and our schools do not educate the student to where they coukd actually succeed in college after their terrible education. His message leaves many of us out, but his supporters think we should be satisfied.

[kenfrequed]

120. I disagree

Raising the minimum wage to 15 helps everyone.

Free healthcare for all helps everyone.

Free public universities and community college helps everyone.

When you offer this free to all and available to all you don't need to target anything.

[bravenak]

121. Helps you more than me.

[kenfrequed]

123. Actually it doesn't.

I am out of school already, I have a secure union job with a decent wage, and I work for an HMO which means I get amazing health benefits.

On all three of those scores I am covered. I support Bernie because I want to have everybody else given better pay, free healthcare, and free education.

[bravenak]

126. I am a gifted person.

Top 90th percentile. Never need to study, photographic memory. Does not help me at all. I go to clas for math once a month just to turn shit in and move on. I have heath care, my daughter is in the gifted program (thanks mom and dad!) my husband has a high iq as well. Does nothing for me. My school pays me to go. So, it helps whites more than blacks then. Our schools do not get us to the level of being able to succed in college. More unemployment, they don't get that 15 bucks. More in prison, they get nothing! Nore single mothers with men in prison, nothing for them! Medicines and studies done mostly on white men, the meducines do not work as well on us, tec, etc,etc. so....

[kenfrequed]

134. Hmm...

The school situation is difficult. That is going to take some serious revolution to fix. Most of the funding is based on racist/classist funding systems worked exclusively around local taxation. Changing state laws to force all taxation for education to be dispensed equally by a per student capita basis is the only solution. Everyone sinks or swims together that way. It is harder to work on a national level but there is a role for the federal government there too.

As far as unemployment goes Sanders supports new deal style job programs to fix our infrastructure.

Ending private prisons would kill the stupid three strikes rules and mandatory minimums that have packed our prisons and given all the power to DAs seeking to make a name for themselves with conviction rates.

[bravenak]

141. Then he needs to figure out a plan because if he does, and it is good, he wins.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

178. No, you don't.

I'm sorry, but you're not 'voting strategically' when your reason for choosing candidates is whether or not their supporters are 'nice to you'. You haven't said that Hillary addresses any of the things that you say Bernie is deficient on. You don't complain about her for the same reasons you complain about him, even though they're the same on those things. In short, you look for reasons to proclaim him 'bad' because other people were mean to you. That's personal voting, emotional voting, not 'strategic voting'.

If you really want to be 'strategic', then be honest and don't attack him for anything you don't attack her on when they're the same. Denounce both of them for failing to live up to the standards you feel O'Malley is better on. Don't pretend you're being strategic when you're voting on hurt feelings.

[bravenak]

185. Neither one of them addresses a damn thing to my preference.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

188. Then are you attacking her the same as you attack him?

Cause I have to admit, given how I've got pretty much every Hillary supporter on ignore at this point, I imagine I wouldn't see it if you were attacking her in response to any of their questions.

It just seems like apart from the candy corn, every one of your OP's I've seen since you got back has been anti-Bernie. Haven't stumbled across any of the anti-Hillary ones. I realize you were treated pretty crappy by some Bernie folks, but if neither of them is living up to your standards, I would have expected to see some OPs about how she sucks too.

[bravenak]

189. Not this year. I stopped this summer but I have no problem admitting her flaws and saying why

I decided what I did. I Am very serious about creating an inclusive environment. Both are way to the right of me, so on policy, meh, both are weak. So who to choose? The one who has the best environment for black people. The reason I bring it up over and over is to school people who think that we will over look their bad attitudes for the love of policy that they love. It will help next time so they creat a more welcoming atmosphere and not lose. They do not think it is necessary to be inclusive in order to bring in more voters. They are wrong and I am letting them know why they are missing those black voters who they feel should be on team Bernie.

Also. People keep telling me to be nice to bernie while they are still nasty to me so I just have to let them feel how it feels to have their feelings disregarded. The same folks wanting me to shut up about Bernie never had a nice thing to say about obama, that along with the treatment of blacks is suspect to me. They also cannot stand our aa group.

I feel like as long as i'm being polite, it should be aokay for me to write these. I really do not care who wins from my biew, they are way to the right of me and closer to each other than they are to me.

But Bernie did not plan on doing this well and did not set up an organization that can give direction to his army to chill out.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

190. Well, I think you overestimate Hillary's chances of winning a general.

In which case the strategic question is not whether Hillary or Bernie is in the WH, but how bad life is going to suck under President Trump. But we'll wait and see, I guess.

[bravenak]

191. The electoral college is going our way.

We have the population centers with the larger vote shares. Just taking the states tgat are already ours we don't need much more to win. She'll have it in the bag before they call California. Reublicans do not know how to appeal to the nation as a whole. They couldn't even beat the black guy and they also sound crazy.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

44. Nope. We need a voice for progressives all the way to the convention and beyond.

[bravenak]

46. Makes sense.

[MohRokTah]

50. Sanders' ego would not allow that. eom

[bravenak]

55. Too bad. We could rock their world much sooner.

[sadoldgirl]

52. There is nothing obvious this early

Otherwise Trump or Carson would be the chosen
nominee. I doubt that either one will be the one.

Too many questions need to be asked from
our candidates. The issue of wars has not been
fully discussed, especially with our new policy
with "boots on the ground" in Iraq and probably
Syria. Where do they stand with regards to the
Ukraine?

There are also domestic problems, which have not
been discussed seriously. Big Pharma, medical
marihuana and others.

No, we had only ONE debate, and we need far more.

[bravenak]

56. That makes sense. We do need debates.

[99Forever]

68. I think Hillary Clinton should drop out immediately.

She doesn't have the best interests of working people as her top priority.

[bravenak]

73. She loves black children.

I bet if I took my daughters to see her, they would love her. They need to see someone who looks like them as prez. She actually resembles my mother in law alot. Same blonde hair, same size, very forthright, very confident, intelligent, talented, good mother. Wonderful grandmother. Yes. Hillary needs to kick butt for me. I will kick butt for her since her supporters so lovingly took me in when I needed a group after being rejected.

[99Forever]

85. Great. Then the black children should vote for her

I'm not a black child so i won't.

[bravenak]

88. Okay. People who like black children should vote for her. I am. I like them.

[99Forever]

136. I like all children, no matter what race they are.

But I'm most interested in what's good for MY grandchildren, and that most certainly ISN'T Hillary Goldman Sachs Clinton. So I'll be voting for someone else.

[bravenak]

140. I'll be voting to cancel yours out!!!

[99Forever]

145. Your vote to do with as you please.

Am I supposed to be all pissed off or something?

[bravenak]

146. Um? How would I know? You can be pissed or not, doesn't shake my cake.

[99Forever]

147. Doncha just hate it when your bait doesn't even rate a nibble?

[bravenak]

148. You might know more than I about that. People always come to say hi to me so I never experience

not getting a nibble. People are drawn to me. You came here, right? Nibble nibble.

[SidDithers]

71. Hillary should at least consider him for her VP...

though, I think she'd be better off with someone from a Southern, or South-Western state.

Sid

[bravenak]

72. No.

No. O'Malley. Yes. Bernie is AWESOME in the Senate!! Ask anybody here!!

[William769]

80. Sounds like a plan to me.

[bravenak]

81. Yay!!!

[Mark Grable]

90. Just one problem

Bernie is ahead in New Hampshire.

[William769]

92. One State out of 49 and it's still in play.

Hillary will have it wrapped up by Super Tuesday.

[UglyGreed]

89. since she was appointed the

winner even before Bernie started campaigning poor old Bernie should of not been allowed to even try to muster up a campaign.

[bravenak]

94. "poor Old Bernie' what does that mean?

Perhaps Bernie did not spend time building coalitions and relationships. He has few endorsements because of the lack of coalition building. He does not know how to push his support in a direction that will benefit him. He seems very hands off. Besides, he is kinda depressing.

[UglyGreed]

102. I'm an ageist

you couldn't tell?

[bravenak]

106. Nope!! I refuse to believe that about you.

[UglyGreed]

108. Holy mackerel

[bravenak]

109. Awesome.

[UglyGreed]

111. Thanks for the hug

and the laugh, it was getting a little nasty in here

[bravenak]

117. The nasty will end. Soon.

[UglyGreed]

138. Says you

[bravenak]

139. Hey! I'm sure I could calm it down if I had magic.

[randome]

95. She was 'appointed' by those who predicted she'd win. And it looks like they were right.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

[DianeK]

96. you must be very very young..

or new to observing the political process...just sayin' things have a way of changing very quickly and very dramatically..buckle up..this is not over yet

[bravenak]

99. You are very condescending. I am grown.

Now, Bernie has no black support virtually, how does he change this? He did not build a coalition, he is not embracing Obama and will not get that coalition of voters, Republicans will not switch parties to vote in our primaries, so wise one, how? Force of will?
Remember, black voters are the ones who stand in line for hours to vote and ensure their csndidate wins, why shoukd they go do so for Bernie rather than Hillary? Many are already upset over the harassment of BLM by peopke whi called themselves his grassroots. How does he steal voters from her that are no keen on joining his group? He may as well give it up.

[DianeK]

143. be careful....

Clinton arrogance is showing ..this is a marathon..not a sprint...cliche perhaps..but true...in the end we all have to come together to support whomever secures the nomination..it is still early..we have a long way to go..much too early for arrogance

[bravenak]

144. Please inform your side.

[Android3.14]

97. Hello-ello-ello-ello. Is anyone in there-there-there?

[bravenak]

107. Hee hee hee!

[fadedrose]

112. FBI just found a bunch of emails

It ain't over till the fat lady or the FBI sings

[bravenak]

116. Lol! See?

[fadedrose]

119. Only with my cheater glasses

What the hell are you laughing at?

I find the whole situation pathetic and can't understand how loyalty can drive people to the lengths HC supporters are demonstrating.

You supporters are okay, many I like, but I can't like HC and I have tried. There are polls that show she is unlikeable and untrustworthy, and I am living proof that such polls exist.

Sorry.

[bravenak]

124. I do not see how Bernie love can drive somebody to send me hate mail and weak threats to my home.

You figure that out and I'll stop.

[fadedrose]

137. That is not a true Bernie supporter

It's just a person who doesn't like you or Clinton and is not acting out of love for anyone.

Please ignore them.

I'm a Bernie supporter, and I promise I will be polite in all responses to you.

Sorry.

[Mike Nelson]

129. Bernie needs to stay in...

...and they unite at the end - then work together to defeat the unacceptable alternative.

[bravenak]

132. Okay. That makes sense.

[ismnotwasm]

149. Interesting point

And Clinton/O'Malley as a team--awesome!

[bravenak]

150. I put it on my sigline.

That gap between them is growing and I see O'Malkey and I wanna keep him around. Bernie has a Senate job that apparently he is the best ever at in the history of the world, why give that up? He should just kindly slide on off the campaign trail and let us have our team.

[ismnotwasm]

161. Wouldn't that just be the decent thing to do?

We have a hell of s fight coming up and I want to see the most qualified people fighting it. I started researching O'Malley because of DU--and I'm very impressed. I love that guy.

[bravenak]

162. I think it would be the right thing. Some here just do not see the strategy.

But I think after the next two debates, after his numbers drop, he will come to reason.

Then our tear it up crew can beat the crap outta the republicans. Real Democrats know that the republicans are too crazy to even give them a chance to win.

[ismnotwasm]

163. Yeah, this is how I see it

He's not a bad guy, I don't think --he does seem politically naive for all his years in congress, and I don't believe that perception. He has to have political savvy. He would be a total asset in the GE as a motivating figure, he could help heal the Democratic Party wear it's hurting right now

[Comrade Grumpy]

153. I'll wait for actual primaries to take place, thank you. n/t

[bravenak]

154. Smart.

[workinclasszero]

156. Bernie will quit out of embarrassment soon

Hillary's got the nomination on lockdown.

Bernie's poll numbers are a joke.

Thats why the berniebros are freakin out all over this board LOL

[bravenak]

159. He might have to drop out before long. The endorsements are just not coming.

Obama had the type of personality that made it so he was able to get those endorsements. There is no comparison.

[workinclasszero]

160. Yeah I think Bernies got 3

or so after all his years in politics.

That speaks volumes about the man I would say.

[Cha]

164. All the attacks have just made Hillary stronger and stronger.. I love it!

I don't really care what Bernie does.

[bravenak]

165. Me neither. I do not care.

[ismnotwasm]

166. Well, I hope he campaigns for Hillary

That would be a nice thing for him to do

[Cha]

167. Ultimately yes.

[azurnoir]

174. and besides he just doesn't know how to campaign

Hillary would never have passed up a chance like this for a good photo op

http://www.bustle.com/articles/117535-sandra-blands-mother-says-its-what-bernie-sanders-didnt-do-after-they-met-that-earned-her

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251689905

[TSIAS]

169. He should stay in until the convention

As Hillary herself pointed out, Bobby Kennedy was leading in June of 1968 but didn't get the nomination (wink, wink).

I knew it was only a matter of time until Hillary supporters started calling on Sanders to drop out in the name of party unity. The Party Unity My Ass crowd has now become the party unity at all costs camp.

[bravenak]

186. I supported Obama over Hillary. Never a puma. Always a Democrat.

[Scuba]

170. Just because the corporations that own the polls want Hillary to win doesn't mean ...

... the rest of us do.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251610020

[jfern]

171. Obama was also down 27 points in mid October

I guess he should have suspended his campaign since no one was going to elect a 1 term black Senator from Chicago.

[bravenak]

187. Obama was able to get endorsements and delegates.

Olus the black vote started coming his way and he was a positive candidate. Not dour. Blacks do not do gloom and doom and everything sucks.

[azurnoir]

173. awww that's so sweet and considerate too

and I thought she had floated Julian Castro as her VP, but for just now we'll keep going with Bernie and after all if he's so no threat what's to lose?

[bravenak]

183. This is very mild compared to what many here said about Obama. I am being kind in comparison.

[tblue37]

175. No, because even if he doesn't win, Bernie's run is forcing Hillary to move left. nt

[bravenak]

192. In some ways. I think she is helping him broaden his view too.

[Sunlei]

193. I want Bernie Sanders to see this through, not to suspend. We need his voice.

I also want Mrs. Clinton to have him as VP if she wins. She will always be a moderate, just like President Obama. I think it is important to have a progressive VP who isn't afraid to speak up for 'the people'.

They would make a very good team.