"The homophobia was for your own good!"

[Prism]

That is, in essence, what Hillary Clinton just laid down in front of LGBT people.

I thought we were done with this in 2008, that in a land of marriage equality, we wouldn't have to be sitting here rehashing acceptable homophobia with Democratic candidates.

Sick of it. The chances of my voting for her in the general are rapidly approaching nil unless there is a big, fat apology on the horizon.

It's one thing to sweep the past under the rug. She exploited homophobia for political gain until late in her career. Fine, whatever. Let's move on if we must.

But if she's going to get up on a podium today and and still tell lies to the LGBT community's face . . . "Sure I punched you repeatedly in the head. But I gave you an ice pack afterwards! And hey, aren't you the better for the experience? Tougher, more capable of future punches? You should be thanking me!"

To paraphrase Tina Fey - I am not some abused child of an alcoholic. I will not stand there and take that shit from someone.

This is far beyond the bounds of acceptable, it should be absolutely indefensible. The time for overlooking this shit from Democrats is long past. 2008 should've been the end of it. Any decent person should be utterly unwilling to let this zombie rise again in 2016.

[portlander23]

1. They were saving marriage equality for later

Makes it sound bad the way you put it.

[Prism]

3. Bill Clinton also signed the HIV travel ban

He muttered opposition, but he signed the thing (with a Democratic Congress, no less). The hallmark of how this couple seems to operate. That was probably also good for us in hindsight.

I do have a possible explanation though! He did it so gay people could like President Obama just that much more.

[artislife]

16. I had forgotten this.

Interesting how his foundation and its backers have made a lot of money of the people of Haiti who were greatly affected by this ban.

[HassleCat]

2. Johnny Cash - A Boy Named Sue

"I picked that name to make you strong." I knew the abuse and disrespect would toughen you up, and make you appreciate it all the more when you survived.

[Bluenorthwest]

4. It's infuriating.

I had a fantasy in which this election was free of Democratic use of the LGBT rhetorical football but no. Here we are again.

[Prism]

7. I'm almost speechless

And as you said in another thread, there were about a dozen ways for Clinton to explain an evolution on the subject, and she went with, "Well, I was never wrong! I was just being strategic. For your benefit."

We shouldn't be having this discussion in a 2016 Democratic primary. At all.

I kind of want to know how hard Robby Mook's head hit the desk once he saw that. How does a candidate with a gay campaign manager walk into a homophobic quagmire that no one was leading her into?

[Fumesucker]

15. There is a one word answer for that question

Privilege.

[arcane1]

5. I'm scared to ask "what did I miss?"

But fuck it, I'm asking

[Prism]

8. She called DOMA a "defensive action"

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/report_no_evidence_for_hillary_clinton_s_claim_doma_and_dadt_were_defensive_positions

[arcane1]

11. Ah yes, the made-up horseshit about constitutional conventions

Too many lies to count at this point. I'm glad I don't have the burden of having to defend this crap

[m-lekktor]

6. excellent post!!

I think it is best I keep my true feelings about Hillary Clinton to myself or off of DU at least, I am sure I would be on permanent *time out* otherwise. Also I live in a safe blue state so who I ultimately vote for is irrelevant in the long run!

[Prism]

9. I live in California

So I don't feel obligated to bother about her at all. It's kind of liberating, lol.

[m-lekktor]

12. I am in Connecticut.

She will win here with or without my vote if she is the one!

[Hepburn]

13. Yep, I, too, live in Calif and I know the feeling. n/t

[eggplant]

22. I'm in NY. I'm voting for Bernie in the General even if I have to write his name in. n/t

[Prism]

14. LOL, I was just on that jury

I can't even see the triangulation angle here. Nothing about it will placate conservatives. I can't imagine anyone anywhere with common sense thought it would endear her to LGBTers. I have no idea who she's trying to appeal to.

I think we just ended up with an earful of her ego talking and unwillingness to really ever admit error.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. I love Bernie Sanders and all of his supporters.

But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.

-Matthew 5:44

[Bluenorthwest]

29. You know we are discussing a piece of legislation that was a persecution of LGBT people which

your candidate just defended. How Hillary is the persecuted one here is beyond me. It's pretty insulting for you to do that.

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Matthew 7:3

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. Why don't you ask Doctor. J what WAS IN THE POST HE DELETED I responded to before you attack me?

Thank you in advance.


He implied he hated me . I was the persecuted one.


That's way beyond the pale.


From now on I will copy every post I refer to in order to avoid confusion, lest the person delete it, and cause me to get attacked for no reason.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. "Where do I go to get my reputation back?"

eom

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. My feelings are hurt.

eom

[BootinUp]

35. +1

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. I was attacked for saying that, go figure!!!

Folks need to ask themselves WHAT WAS IN THE DELETED POST I responded to!!!

[BootinUp]

37. Yes... yes...but the OP itself

is trash. I hope we can all commit to beating the insane repukes when the time comes.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. I didn't really read the OP...My post was a direct response to the post where a poster implied...

I didn't really read the OP...My post was a direct response to the now deleted post where a poster implied he hated me.

[BootinUp]

40. I won't say I am shocked

(didn't see it). I will say that there are many other Hillary supporters he/she should have targeted with his/her hate before you! I only wish I had your self control.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. I am still waiting for an apology from the poster who attacked me without cause.

How long will I have to wait?


Some folks have too big an ego to apologize, I guess...

[BootinUp]

42. Oh dear...

I just don't know. It might be a while. lol.

[Prism]

43. You're operating outside of context

If you're talking about the post he made in this thread.

It was a copy of this post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=744715

This post was left alone, so DoctorJ swapped Sanders with Clinton and left the post as is to see if it would be hidden or complained about, I suppose measuring for a double standard. Hence my reply to him that I had just been on a jury for the post he was referencing.

Well, you kind of proved his point a little. You're freaking out about him, but you don't seem to have much to say about the other one.

Look, I like the dispassionate observer performance art as much as anyone. So keep on keepin on.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

44. How am I responsible for a post I neve saw?

All I know is I was libeled. And you can insult me all you want as well... I still love you, as I wrote. I also love the person who libeled me.

I love everybody.

In fact I withdraw my request for an apology. My love is unconditional.

[Prism]

45. His response was to me.

A little confused why you're taking such personal umbrage at it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

46. Because I was criticized for saying I love somebody who by implication hates me.

I am over it . I love bluenorthwest. I love you. I love everybody on this site, well almost everybody, unconditionally.

[Prism]

47. I'll just note how strange it is

When a person of power says harmful things about the LGBT community, the choice is not to criticize the powerful person, but turn highly negative emotions towards a random internet person.

Addressing an injustice is love. Ignoring it is something else.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

48. I made one post and that was to the person who said he hated me by implication and I said ...

I made one post and that was to the person who said he hated me by implication and I said I loved him...



Then I got slammed and every subsequent post was the sequela from the slamming...

I love everybody.


Do you want me to say DOMA was garbage legislation? It sure was.

[CharlotteVale]

17. I don't know what's worse, that she spews this bullshit or that so many eagerly

ingest it.

[angrychair]

18. Let me help

Insert here something about her supporting LGBT rights now and telling you that you have to realize a reality-based world and electability and babble about Sanders being a sexist and racist and some insinuation about some McCarthy-era red scare bullshit and the electorate. Conclude with some helpful criticism about Sanders supporters being "dumb as a brick and twice as thick".
Just trying to get all the HRC supporters discussion points out of the way.

[CharlotteVale]

23. LOL, that would make a perfect signature block.

[MisterP]

19. they see the voters as a baby with a lighter: it has to be swatted out of our hands

for our own good before we hurt ourselves

you have two candidates and you get to pick between them; no you can't get one for yourself, what will the neighbors say?

you can't increase social spending, you'll get a tummyache and then we won't have any money left to buy you pretty things

[George II]

20. "That is, in essence, what Hillary Clinton just laid down in front of LGBT people."....

....meaning she said nothing of the kind.

[Prism]

21. How would you characterize a defensive measure?

Is it good for the people it is ostensibly defending or not?

[stranger81]

27. You clearly haven't been paying attention around here this week.

If she didn't use THOSE EXACT WORDS, she didn't say it at all.

[AzDar]

24. Ugh. No more Clintons, please.

[skepticscott]

26. Compare and contrast the Catholic Church

and Hillary Clinton on this issue.

[sabrina 1]

28. Many decent people are unwilling to go back to this again. Her history is what it is. Any attempt

to try to change it now, only increases the distrust factor that most polls show she is dealing with.

[BootinUp]

31. LOL nt

[UglyGreed]

32. She was against before she was for

it, or for it before she was against it. I don't know maybe Hillary thinks more research and/or polling needs to be done.

[Warren Stupidity]

39. tossed under the bus because the other bus was going to run you over

now say thank you.