I hereby pledge to give no indication whatsoever about how I intend to vote

[whatchamacallit]

After reading this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12598967#post1

It's clear that you can be banned at any time for expressing reluctance to vote for the democratic nominee. Please don't ask for this information or try to compel me to state my intention. It's nobody's business and I won't provide an answer. Thank you.

[Cali_Democrat]

1. Cool.

So why do you think you needed to create an OP telling us this?

Do you think you're that important?

[whatchamacallit]

4. It's a PSA

Think of it as a suggestion for others who may make the mistake of being too vocal about their feelings. I think things will go smoother if people keep this information to themselves.

[zappaman]

2. I will happily vote for the Democratic nominee.

Any of the 3 would make a fine president.

[Agschmid]

6. Yup.

[whatchamacallit]

7. I noticed you only ever choose one to bag though

I know you'll claim it's his "Human Centipede of Supporters" that you disparage, but your singular focus says otherwise.

[zappaman]

9. If you say so.

[ToxMarz]

34. That sounds like an indication of how you would intend to vote

[mcar]

28. Yes

Me too! It's not so hard to say.

[zappaman]

32. Apparently it is for some.

[Squinch]

3. OK.

... moving on ...

[NuclearDem]

5. No shit? You've been so ambiguous on that.

[Agony]

8. Because of her policy positions I will not vote for Clinton

AFAIK it goes without saying that no one save myself know what lever I pull (or don't) in the voting booth

[whatchamacallit]

10. I would advise you to read Skinner's post on the matter and keep that sentiment to yourself. n/t

[zappaman]

11. Good advice!

Posting privileges before principles!

[boston bean]

30. I just about fell out my chair reading your comment!!

LOFL

[artislife]

80. Me too

But I bet we had different reasons for laughing so hard.

[Agony]

12. too late for your suggestion I suppose

regardless, my status as a DU'er with respect to my stated position is clearly articulated in Skinner's post.

[JaneyVee]

13. Black Lives Matter. Unless Bernie isn't the nominee.

Then who cares, right?

[whatchamacallit]

16. Shameless

That crap won't work because many of us believe all Team Hillary will ever provide to BLM's cause is lip service. BTW why direct this at me? I haven't stated my intention and don't plan to.

[JaneyVee]

19. This wasn't directed at you. Poster above you.

Also, Hillary has been on the frontlines fighting for the black community since she was a teen. And there is no "many of us", it's just you.

[azmom]

35. LOL.

[whatchamacallit]

50. My bad

[coolepairc]

58. Thank you for clarifying that

I thought she was the 1% of the 1% and corporate advocate and apologist. My bad, sorry.

[840high]

87. Hahahaha!!!!!

[Agony]

40. Kudos

You just characterized the preponderance of Black folks that I interact with as uncaring…

Good Job!

[JaneyVee]

14. I hereby pledge to enthusiastically support the Dem nominee.

The other side is NUTZ.

[whatchamacallit]

17. JaneyVee trying to provoke

[JaneyVee]

18. Provoke? Nah, just pro-vote.

[saturnsring]

26. clever

[bvf]

75. Not really, but that was very polite of you.

[saturnsring]

82. i guess it's like art , eye of the beholder

[zappaman]

36. So saying I will "enthusiastically support the Dem nominee" on a Democratic website is provocation?

[whatchamacallit]

51. No zap

calling everyone else NUTZ

[zappaman]

68. The other side, Republicans, are clearly "nuts"

so not sure what you're saying.

[mdbl]

54. They are totally NUTZ

[restorefreedom]

15. i hereby pledge to ignore all threads requiring loyalty pledges

as well as all threads and comments designed to bait some duers into a hide or a ban

have a nice day all!

[OilemFirchen]

20. I hereby pledge to continue to not give a shit.

Just in case there was any ambiguity.

[Renew Deal]

21. Why do you want to be here if you disagree with the purpose of DU?

[AlbertCat]

63. with the purpose of DU?

The purpose of DU is to know who you are gonna vote for?


Anyway, at this point in time, not voting for Hillary does not mean you are not voting for a Dem.

[NCTraveler]

22. They have discussionist and other places for....

More of an anything goes. I took issue with open support of Crist againt Meeks. Just glad I'm not the one enforcing the rules.

[drray23]

56. I had almost forgotten about them.

Somehow we are so busy snipping at each other we have not had a meta thread about how discussionist speak ill of this or that duer.. used to be a daily occurence for a while.

[stupidicus]

23. post of the year

thank you, and well done

[sabrina 1]

24. I'd like to see more bannings, we have a lot of disrupters here, but they seem to get a pass.

Primary season is when people work to get their candidate nominated. NO ONE should asking about the GE.

Anyhow, I'm not worried since Bernie will win the nomination.

[LynneSin]

44. Well you know how Hillary was the assumed winner back in November of 2007.....

So I have to chuckle when I see people acting like she still is today.

Don't get me wrong, I'll be happy to vote for Clinton or Sanders or O'Malley.

Kinda wished it was Biden but Oh Well.

What it won't be is for any candidate that could help a Republican win.

[WillyT]

25. K & R !!!

[DianeK]

27. well then...

you will have no fun here at all, my friend....I declare loudly and proudly that I support Bernie in the Primaries...after that ..whoever prevails whether it be O'Malley, Clinton or Sanders gets my support..

[saturnsring]

29. that's right if you dont intend to support dems you dont belong here

[SidDithers]

31. Posting privileges before principles...

Awesome!

Sid

[irisblue]

46. alert results

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Suggesting this DUer has no principles because he chooses not to announce his voting intention in the face of the purging of long-time DUers is OTT.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Nov 4, 2015, 07:08 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Gimme a break
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Doesn't need to be hidden. leaving.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Not over the top. Stop with stupid alerts
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Yeah, the 'before principles' part makes this into a personal attack.

[azmom]

33. Hillary is a flawed candidate. She has

Been on the wrong side of so many issues it's ridiculous.

I'll be working and donating to Bernie's campaign because he has, by far, the best history of being correct on the issues.

[Maedhros]

37. I hereby pledge not to really care that much if I get banned from DU.

It won't kill me.

[LynneSin]

43. Then why wait?

This is the 4th presidential election and the policy has not changed once. This site was founded by Democrats for Democrats. I doubt the owners care about it. You can always do a 'Walt Starr' and finish it now.

Because if you can even find one reason out there why any other potential Democratic Nominee would be a worse choice as President over the likes of someone like Donald Trump, Ben Carson, Jeb Bush, Mark Rubio, Rand Paul or the host of other idiots running as Republicans - then you are a fool.

I love a good primary. People assumed Hillary was going to win in 2008. I forget, how did that end up with that race

[MohRokTah]

38. I hereby give my absolute indication of preisely how I'll vote.

I don't give a shit who gets nominated, they have my vote.

A pile of dog shit could be nominated and it would still smell better than any Republican nominee ever could.

[LynneSin]

41. Amen and Alleluia

I need to eventually update my sig-line. I was on team Biden but that ain't happening. I'm from Delaware and we have a late primary. So at this point it doesn't matter who I support in the primaries because by the time mine comes about here in Delaware the choice will be either pretty clear or down to 2 candidates I'd be happy to have as my President.

I'll probably still write Biden's name in for the Primaries. It'll be the last time I'll get to vote for a Biden for awhile

[blackspade]

53. I see you changed your sig line.....

[LynneSin]

39. Just an FYI, this is a site for Democrats

and when the primaries are done it has always been expressed by the owners that this site is for people who support the Democrats. This will be my 4th Presidential Election posting here at DU, it hasn't changed.

I am all for a great primary but in the end this site is called DEMOCRATIC Underground and it was founded by democrats. Not sure what people are still surprised after all this time about this site's policy about supporting Non-Democrats in general elections.

And yes exceptions have been made when there have been no Democrats actually running in the race. The Democratic Party has always been supportive of Bernie Sanders up in Vermont and made it a point to not field any opponents against him when he ran as an Independent. Having no Democrat in the race, there was not an issue for people supporting Sanders as he ran for both the House and US Senate. He would side with the Dems so it is all good. And as a presidential candidate he is running as a Democrat.

[SoapBox]

65. Support ALL Democrats, no matter how good...or corrupt?

'Cause the party has had it's share of rotten apples?

We are to vote for all Democrats regardless and period?

What I've said earlier today...that's some scary stuff.

[LynneSin]

83. We've got a primary. No one says you have to support any one candidate now

But in the end this site has always had the policy of supporting the Democrats in general elections. Post whatever crap you'd like to say about those other democrats running for President, but there isn't one thing you can tell me that says that candidate, IF they win the nomination, would be a worse choice than any a Republican. Because there are too many rights and lives at stake if we allow the GOP to win the White House. Your 'teach the deems a valuable lesson' by going third party means I might lose might right as a woman to choose for my body. It means that millions of people will lose their right to healthcare (just watch what happens in Kentucky). It means that Christian bigots will get stronger support on our Supreme Court and rights that many people have just finally achieved could be taken away.

If I wanted the perfect Democrat who supports my ideologies100% I would have to run for office myself. Every democrat I have voted for has always been 'imperfect' compared to my beliefs. But those Democrats are still a far cry better than any republican.

[tularetom]

70. What makes one a "democrat"?

If you call yourself a Democrat, does that make you one? If you call yourself a Democrat and espouse non democratic policies, are you still a Democrat?

Or alternatively, suppose you are nominally an independent, but you strongly support Democratic principles and policies, can you then truly call yourself a Democrat?

The Dems have always been the big tent party, so I suppose an argument could be made that the party embraces a wide range of ideas, and welcomes voters on all points of the political spectrum. But are there limits to how corporate, or how populist, one can be and still call themselves a Democrat? If so, what are the limits?

[LynneSin]

84. Who holds the ruler to make those judgements?

The voters do in the primaries. Enjoy them.

[jalan48]

42. I pledge to vote!

[HassleCat]

45. Not exactly

We are allowed to say we're not happy about a particular candidate, will be suicidal if we have to vote for him, don't like her positions, think he is not a real Democrat, try to persuade everybody to vote for someone else in the primary, etc. The trouble starts when somebody says, "I will not vote for this candidate if the Democratic Party nominates her, and you shouldn't either." I think the admins might let you get away with saying, "I will stay home on election day," but there's no way they can allow, "You should stay home, too."

[Andy823]

47. I agree

Keep your vote to yourself. Those that have been saying over and over they "WILL NOT" vote for the nominee, unless it's candidate X, and who keep saying it makes no difference because both parties are the same, seem to have a different agenda than getting democrats elected.

Those are the ones that may have a problem, not those who keep it to themselves.

[blackspade]

48. Based on that thread at least one HRC supporter....

might want to change their sig line.

[Lyric]

49. I'm pretty sure this thread provides a clear answer.

You do not has teh clever.

[coolepairc]

52. I won't ask you, promise

I also will not give any such indication. Not sure how long I'll last here though (sigh). I do think this will be a major issue this primary season and that something will ultimately give, either the TOS here or commenters migrating to where they feel free to express themselves.

[1StrongBlackMan]

55. Will you, also, pledge to ...

NOT tell others who they support?

[whatchamacallit]

57. Never have

but maybe I'm not sure what you mean by that.

[LiberalArkie]

59. My granddaddy was a Socialist and since there are none running in the Arkansas primary

yet, I will be safe with Bernie and a 'D' in the general

[wdkellysr]

60. ME TOO

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

61. I plege to vote for the candidate I prefer.

[SoapBox]

66. ...I don't think you are allowed to do that.

That's the way it sounds today.

You will vote for who "they" say.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

71. Would "Maybe I Will or Maybe I Won't and that's a promise" be satisfactory?

[guillaumeb]

62. Vote for what? eom

[Jack Rabbit]

64. !!

Up to now I haven't said that I won't vote for Mrs. Clinton; nor have I said that I will. I'll keep my final decision to myself.

Who wins this elections is less important than what we do afterwards. America has become an oligarchy, and oligarchies never end well for either the oligarchs or those they oppress. We will have to take matters into our own hands to wrest power from the oligarchs and restore democratic government. Who is elected will make no difference in that respect.

The word aristocracy means government by the best. Isn't that a hoot? Slave owners and serf drivers were never the best humanity had to offer and, by definition, were unfit to rule other men. I expect no more of industrialists and financiers who have rigged the system in there favor. We've seen what they have to offer us: a capitalist system without a middle class; a polluted world that never gets cleaned up. Nothing can make that a vision of a sustainable society. If the oligarchs who run a corporation want to do the right thing, they are helpless. To do so would put their corporation at a competitive disadvantage. That is the one thing they cannot do, that they can never do.

What is the one thing we cannot do? We cannot allow them to destroy life on this planet. We know that the many oligarchs have known for decades that climate change is not a hoax. For them to continue to drill for oil and mine for coal without taking into consideration what they doing to not just to our way of life but to life itself is an unimaginable, unspeakable crime against humanity.

It doesn't matter if the name for this system is neoliberalism, supply-side economics, trickle-down or Reaganomics. It must be put out of its misery before it fosters more misery to working people of the world, to all that live on the earth, drink its water and breath its air.

You and I, not the candidates of our choice, are the man on the white horse.

Power to the people.

[NCTraveler]

67. For me, I hope it's Clinton, O'Malley, or Sanders. Nt

[BootinUp]

69. Your post reads like a threat

not to vote for the nominee, I think its more of a smart ass type of threat than a real one though.

[bvf]

78. No, it doesn't. n/t

[bvf]

72. I absolutely promise to

vote for Sanders if he becomes the nominee.

I'm damned tired of saying I'll hold my nose otherwise. That got tiresome the fourth or fifth time around.

[sahel]

73. I will probably have five or six glasses of gin

then I'll shamble into the polling booth about five minutes before it closes, and hopefully choke down the gag reflex for long enough to put a cross against the Clinton family name. Then I'll take the train home muttering to myself.

[whatchamacallit]

76. Haha been there done that

[bvf]

81. And look for a national spike in DUI arrests that day?

I'm working against it! (But good advice to take the train!)

[Skittles]

74. LOL

can you say, lack of critical thinking skills?

[Nye Bevan]

77. "members are still permitted to express their ambivalence about voting for the eventual nominee"

This is from the link that you posted. Did you even read it?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

79. I took that differently....

All of the supporters of a particular candidate we all know who toss out that challenge need to knock it off.

[olddots]

85. I'm still trying to figure out

if I live in a swinging state .

[Mnpaul]

86. My voting booth

has room for one.