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Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 10:16 PM Aug 2012

Venting - class sizes still huge!

It's a new school year and I have between 32 and 34 in my classes with around 9 or 10 students with IEPs plus 504s. The numbers are rising. School starts on Monday. Four students in one class each need a scribe. They can't write very well. I have no para-education or special ed teacher in this inclusion classroom. We are expected to run labs.

Is this the education we want for our children? The teacher gets blamed because we aren't performing.

Ideas?

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Venting - class sizes still huge! (Original Post) Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2012 OP
Wow! NYC_SKP Aug 2012 #1
9/10th Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2012 #3
One thing I might try... NYC_SKP Aug 2012 #8
Thanks Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2012 #10
Studies suggest that the mentors will retain the content more effectively. NYC_SKP Aug 2012 #11
Excellent ideas. FLyellowdog Aug 2012 #12
Yes, but students and teachers shouldn't have these conditions Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2012 #14
True, but it is what it is. FLyellowdog Aug 2012 #15
It must be a priority to get these class sizes down Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2012 #16
Particularly these classes. FLyellowdog Aug 2012 #17
No paras? Jennicut Aug 2012 #2
9th Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2012 #4
I give you tons of credit. Jennicut Aug 2012 #6
I guess Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2012 #7
It looks like you are in for a tough year. femmocrat Aug 2012 #5
special ed Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2012 #9
More advice: Hide the sharp objects! femmocrat Aug 2012 #20
Up The Down Staircase: "Let It Be A Challenge For You." Suji to Seoul Aug 2012 #13
This is shameful... snacker Aug 2012 #18
Worked for me a while oldsarge54 Aug 2012 #19
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
8. One thing I might try...
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 10:35 PM
Aug 2012

And you've probably considered it...

...would be to employ group work, pairs or small groups that mix strong students with those struggling.

But this doesn't work with all subjects and curricula or in all classrooms, but it's what I've done in the past.

Also, it's kind of a natural approach if you have labs, and works well for projects.

Students don't always like it at first, but I think the most admirable classroom climates I've seen demonstrate a lot of cooperative learning.

Good luck!

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
10. Thanks
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 10:40 PM
Aug 2012

I guess that's what I will do but one wonders whether the 'class mentors' should be paid a salary!

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
11. Studies suggest that the mentors will retain the content more effectively.
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 10:46 PM
Aug 2012

When students are required to teach something to others it really sticks!

And they get (or should get) the satisfaction of doing good by their classmates.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
14. Yes, but students and teachers shouldn't have these conditions
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 09:21 AM
Aug 2012

the standard of education is going to go down not up

FLyellowdog

(4,276 posts)
15. True, but it is what it is.
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 02:37 PM
Aug 2012

Thankfully I retired from special education over 10 years ago before things got this bad. I couldn't do it now...wouldn't do it now...shouldn't have to do it now under these circumstances. And I admire anyone who devotes their energies to teaching our youth.

It's apparent that a lot of people making funding decisions have lost sight of the importance of education. So sad but until we can put more progressive thinking people in these positions, I don't see things improving.

I hope you can endure the year. Take care and be good to yourself. You are a vital part of these students' lives but you can't help anyone if you are suffering as well.

My heart is with you (like that helps with anything). You do good work and somehow this knowledge must sustain you.

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
2. No paras?
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 10:23 PM
Aug 2012

That is a crazy number of kids without extra help. I subbed a lot last school year as a teacher and sometimes as a para. The most I ever had in one class was 25. That was a 3rd grade elementary school class in a small city. I had kids who needed extra help and would just wander around the class aimlessly at times when no para was available for a certain time period. What grade are you teaching?

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
6. I give you tons of credit.
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 10:31 PM
Aug 2012

I subbed for some middle schools and those are tough ages. I stick to mostly elementary where the kids still like you (somewhat). I am not sure I could handle high school kids though they might actually be more mature then 12 to 14 year olds. You mentioned labs, are you a science teacher? The only thing I can recommend is that by 9th grade kids can help each other more then at younger ages. Can some students help some of the others in class? A lot of para work is explaining things slower, going over questions again, writing down notes in class. I still can't believe they gave you no help.

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
5. It looks like you are in for a tough year.
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 10:28 PM
Aug 2012

My only suggestion is to keep on the special education director to get you some help. Those students are going to take up all of your time and energy and the "regular" ed (sorry, lack of a better word) kids will be pretty much left to their own devices. I'm not sure what kind of labs you are referring to.

Could you use a peer "buddy" system in the class, so that the more advanced students can help the non-writers? You didn't mention subject or grade level.

Best of luck to you, Rosa. You will work it out because you are a highly-qualified professional! Keep telling yourself that, OK?

 

Suji to Seoul

(2,035 posts)
13. Up The Down Staircase: "Let It Be A Challenge For You."
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 02:23 AM
Aug 2012

Sympathize. Was a teacher in the States. Understand completely.

Everyone's hands are tied, even the administration. Because those who run for use traditionally use four things to pander to the rubes that vote:

1: The Flag
2: The Bible
3: The Cops
4: Children

snacker

(3,619 posts)
18. This is shameful...
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 04:25 PM
Aug 2012

we should all be concerned about this. Unfortunately, it seems to be happening all over.

"Kindergarteners through third-graders will now share space with 40 classmates, up from a limit of 25 students. For fourth- and fifth-graders, class size was raised from 30 to 46 kids, and middle and high school teachers may face up to 61 students this fall, jammed into existing classrooms built for 35. "

http://labornotes.org/2012/08/detroit-schools-hit-class-size-explosion

oldsarge54

(582 posts)
19. Worked for me a while
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 04:34 PM
Aug 2012

Having been there myself, a middle school art teacher with 38-42 students in the class and similar Iep and 504 mix (actually, slightly higher, so many think art is an EASY class)(elective of last resort actually) I visualized valium being added to the air conditioning, especially near the end of the school year. I just wasn't sure if it was for the faculty or the student. Didn't really help anything, but the visualization got me through whatever little crisis was in progress (I had three bi-polar students in one class, can you say domino theory?)

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