2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumAccording to Nate Silver, Romney Is Losing Ground This Week
Perhaps some kind of bounce is yet to come but we aren't seeing anything close to that so far. Obama is approaching his all time high in 538's projections. I wonder if Romney is now counting on the debates
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/
mojo2012
(290 posts)If by some slight chance, Mitt Romney is counting on the debates, he should be careful what he wishes for.
No teleprompters during a debate. Can't take Paul Ryan, Ann Romney or any other surrogate up to the podium with him. It will be tough to remember which lie or position he stood on last week, the day before, or this morning.
So, it will be quite interesting to see how he will fair. I plan to watch all of the debates
Blue Idaho
(5,049 posts)He'll be wearing... Wait for it...
Mormon Urim and Thummim seer glasses! Yes, just like Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon, Willard will be able to divine the correct debate answers with these top secret seer stones set in a lovely silver bow!
We're fucked.
DavidDvorkin
(19,474 posts)DavidDvorkin
(19,474 posts)2pooped2pop
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he was at 57% chance of winning. Then right before the convention, I think he dropped to 54. Since the convention he went up to 56 and now at 55.something.
So unless I have the wrong days, he has actually gone up from 54 pre convention to 55+ on the last day of the convention.
I am looking forward to see how it goes tomorrow, and then after our convention, then after the debates.
Up just now to 55.9 which is .3 higher than it was a little while ago.
so far, intrade doesn't show a bounce for Rmoney convention.
DavidDvorkin
(19,474 posts)Interesting and heartening, I hope.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)DavidDvorkin
(19,474 posts)I'm hyperventilating.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)I am going to be excited to see if it moves up next week after our convention.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)Friday after the convention.
Looks good to me.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)56.2 again. Will have to just go with this evenings closing point to judge it.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)57.9
DavidDvorkin
(19,474 posts)2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)You have to send in your driver lic. copy, 2 utility bills. You can't use a USA bank issued credit card. They will take checks but takes 10 days to clear. Then to cash out, they charge 67.00 for a check or 20 for a money wire but with another 10 and another 20 charged by the other banks it goes through.
After all that I decided to just watch. lol Am having fun with that.
Doctor Jack
(3,072 posts)And they are always wrong
DavidDvorkin
(19,474 posts)I do know that Intrade has a good predictive record.
TroyD
(4,551 posts)As Nate Silver says, sometimes InTrade is guilty of playing follow the leader and just following what the popular wisdom is.
They also predicted Romney would win the Colorado primary and didn't see Santorum coming.
DavidDvorkin
(19,474 posts)People keep saying that, but I was watching Intrade continually, and I saw the odds that the SC would overturn the ACA drop to 50% by the time the decision was made.
I'd consider that a pretty accurate call.
Doctor Jack
(3,072 posts)For awhile they had him as a shoe in to win the nomination and to become president. They also didn't see Paul Ryan becoming VP. They had Portman as the favorite. Those are some big things to get wrong.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Doctor Jack
(3,072 posts)Do tell why you are so offended.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)economic level and found to be much more reliable than opinion polls. The fundamental reason for that is that they are putting money behind their perception and not just giving a flippant opinion to a pollster.
You can learn about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wisdom_of_Crowds
You can read about predictive markets here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prediction_market
Prediction markets are championed in James Surowiecki's 2004 book The Wisdom of Crowds, Cass Sunstein's 2006 Infotopia, and How to Measure Anything: Finding the Value of Intangibles in Business by Douglas Hubbard.[3]
The research literature is collected together in the peer reviewed The Journal of Prediction Markets, edited by Leighton Vaughan Williams and published by the University of Buckingham Press. The journal was first published in 2007, and is available online and in print.[4]
In John Brunner's 1975 science fiction story The Shockwave Rider there is a description of a prediction market that he called the Delphi Pool.
In October 2007 companies from the United States, Ireland, Austria, Germany, and Denmark formed the Prediction Market Industry Association,[5] tasked with promoting awareness, education, and validation for prediction markets.
. . .
However, Steven Gjerstad (Purdue) in his paper "Risk Aversion, Beliefs, and Prediction Market Equilibrium,"[7] has shown that prediction market prices are very close to the mean belief of market participants if the agents are risk averse and the distribution of beliefs is spread out (as with a normal distribution, for example). Justin Wolfers (Wharton) and Eric Zitzewitz (Dartmouth) have obtained similar results, and also include some analysis of prediction market data, in their paper "Interpreting Prediction Market Prices as Probabilities."[8] In practice, the prices of binary prediction markets have proven to be closely related to actual frequencies of events in the real world.[9][10]
Now you didn't hit a nerve but your comment upthread
17. Intrade is filled with republicans And they are always wrong
It is the kind of juvenile remark that you will find gets taken apart here. You didn't strike a nerve because there wasn't enough substance in your comment or your analysis to be taken seriously. You will find that you are entitled to your opinion at DU but if you start throwing out childishly inaccurate facts like "they are filled with Republicans" or that they "are always wrong", you will, more often than not find somebody who knows more about it than you and challenge any loosely offered data that is clearly not true. Next time you want to make a statement in an absolute fashion, like "they are always wrong" you better have some links to back up what you are talking about or be prepared to be taken apart.
BTW Intrade currently has the President at 56% http://www.intrade.com/v4/home/. After the Democratic convention expect it to go back to 58. If you think that they are 'always wrong' then empty your savings buy Romney and make a bundle.
Doctor Jack
(3,072 posts)I wasn't aware you were so passionate about gambling. I was wrong to suggest that the people on intrade are not always correct in their predictions. They are the modern day Oracles of Olympia. And repubicans don't even know about the website. Its is 100% democrats. Getting into intrade is like entering Hogwarts. Only liberals can find the way in.
Just don't stab me, alright?
Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)Unless he can bet President Obama $10,000 on some question.
doc03
(35,328 posts)ailsagirl
(22,896 posts)Can't remember who. I guess I blocked it out of my mind until now.
Obama has the truth going for him. Nitt has to defend a pack of lies.
Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)in the primaries??? The guy on SNL did better than him.
ailsagirl
(22,896 posts)Cha
(297,180 posts)which lie he's going to tell next.
I can't wait until Pres Obama Mopped the Floor with him and drinks his milkshake.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)He has integrity going for him. He has charisma going for him. Romney has none of either. I think Obama is going to make any sane person know who to vote for.
We know the repigs are not sane, so they will still vote for Mittfaced.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,943 posts)Remember his exchange with Rick Perry?
doc03
(35,328 posts)Floyd_Gondolli
(1,277 posts)But that didn't take a genius. I like his stuff. Very fact based and rational.
doc03
(35,328 posts)the media that show it a dead heat or Romney ahead. I guess it is to their best interest to make it a horse race
for ratings. At least I hope that is what is happening.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)But as we all learned really well in 2000, we don't elect via popular vote.
90% of Utah residents voting for Romney helps the popular vote. But it wins the same 5 electoral votes as 51%.
ailsagirl
(22,896 posts)I question their veracity--I really do.
demwing
(16,916 posts)Rasmussen is the only one that does so consistently, and even Raz had Obama a point ahead yesterday
Arkana
(24,347 posts)Missed on Indiana and Missouri--gave Missouri narrowly to Obama and Indiana narrowly to McCain.
ailsagirl
(22,896 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)The article seems to indicate the bounce comes in the time period after the convention and before the next party's convention. And he's not sure there's a correlation to who wins the election ultimately.
progressoid
(49,988 posts)I think the Repubs have a bigger enthusiasm problem than the media says we do.
Doctor Jack
(3,072 posts)In 2008, McCain got to +4 or so after the convention. My biggest hope right now is that it never goes positive for Romney.
Amonester
(11,541 posts)that he's gonna want to chicken-out to France after the first one!
elleng
(130,876 posts)Not surprised, but he hasn't 'appeared' yet. Let's see tomorrow, weekend, and next week. Both parties will, I assume, be on the road then, REALLY campaigning.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Sorry for asking....
Does anyone know if the NY Times has been enforcing the rule that you can only go to the website 10X a month and does that apply to NS's blog?
TroyD
(4,551 posts)huckleberry
(734 posts)That's what I've been doing and it's working!
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Marsala
(2,090 posts)So any bounce Romney gets will have its effect on Romney's winning percentage blunted.
Arkana
(24,347 posts)He's incredibly good at it.
What he sucks at, however, is offering his political opinion. I don't want him to become the 2012 version of Chuck Todd--numbers wizard turned toady pundit.
Iggy
(1,418 posts)David Brooks and other pro-GOP bobbleheads have been saying the past few weeks, "well, the voters
are just now starting to pay attention to the election/candidates..."
right.. and as they see and hear Rmoney, they don't like it.
why? Obv because he's an uber-wealthy giant-ass phony of the worst sort. he and his princess wife are
desperately attempting to sell themselves as "normal" people.. "just like you guys".
what a Load. the people just starting to pay attention are not buying it.
this election reminds me of 1996-- when the GOP put up the BORING, hapless Bob Dole as their
pathetic candidate. the rest is history; he got his ass kicked by Clinton.
SDjack
(1,448 posts)rMoney can't wear the secret radio receiver that Bush used in his debates. Rove was on the transmitter, giving Bush the "answers".
Brother Buzz
(36,420 posts)Do you think you know who'll win? The U.K. bookies now heavily favor Obama: He's quoted at 2/5, compared with 15/8 for Romney. Put another way, they currently give Obama a roughly 70% chance of winning, against 35% for Romney. (Those odds have moved sharply towards Obama in recent weeks, following Romney's missteps, although the polls in the U.S. don't reflect that.)
http://www.smartmoney.com/invest/strategies/romney-vs-obama-the-oddsmakers-weigh-in-1344372024237/
speedoo
(11,229 posts)70% Obama.
I guess that's good news, but we still have a long way to go.
TroyD
(4,551 posts)Brother Buzz
(36,420 posts)Bookies need to make a profit, don't you know?
treestar
(82,383 posts)Due to the Failin' excitement. They were ahead in the polls for awhile.
This time they can't even do that.
Marsala
(2,090 posts)In 2008, the bump wasn't visible until after the convention ended, and it brought two weeks of terror for us.
thevoiceofreason
(3,440 posts)Nate now has it at the highest it has been in weeks - up 3.6% since 8/24.