2016 Postmortem
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Published on Dec 9, 2015
The leading presidential candidates on both the Democratic and Republican side can agree on one issue: freedom of speech on the internet isnt that big of a deal. They basically think terrorism means giving up some fundamental rights. Cenk Uygur and John Iadarola, hosts of the The Young Turks, break it down. Tell us what you think in the comment section below.
"Yesterday, we wrote about Hillary Clinton's absolutely terrible plan for undermining both encryption and free speech on the internet as a way to "deal" with ISIS. I left out the worst quote of all that she stated in the process, mockingly:
"Youre going to hear all of the usual complaints, you know, freedom of speech, et cetera..."
Free speech et cetera? That's handwaving it away. You can see the whole clip here, of the leading Democratic Presidential candidate who will almost certainly win the nomination...
Her full statement:
Youre going to hear all of the usual complaints, you know, freedom of speech, et cetera. But if we truly are in a war against terrorism and we are truly looking for ways to shut off their funding, shut off the flow of foreign fighters, then weve got to shut off their means of communicating. Its more complicated with some of what they do on encrypted apps, and Im well aware of that, and that requires even more thinking about how to do it.
Shut off their means of communicating? These tools are tools that everyone uses -- and, in fact, which Hillary Clinton herself did a tremendous amount of (good) work helping to spread around the globe as Secretary of State. And now she's trying to cut it all off?*
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151207/21225233018/two-leading-presidential-candidates-clinton-trump-both-mocked-free-speech-internet.shtml
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)That would make for a catchy speech.
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)Can't have it both ways - well maybe with a dumb enough electorate you can pull almost anything off.
"It requires even more thinking about how to do it."
Yeah, it means you stop trying to undermine encryption and look elsewhere to stop terrorism.
Like maybe stop picking fights in the Middle East?
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)Isn't that what Hillary said about her hard drive? Though we know she's not really that stupid.
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)She was thinking the server that brought her that tomato soup and spilled it, he was wiped with a cloth.
You know, simple mistake.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)understand these complex IT questions about deleting computer files, but now in December she's "steely-eyed tech expert Hillary" who is set to offer edicts to Silicon Valley about encrytion how to correct that pesky internet and its annoying "free speech etcetera"
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)I hope there are more of us paying attention.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)and doing away with that annoying free speech et cetera (eye roll eye roll) on teh interwebs has always been on some peoples' santa list, too.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)They are pandering to people's fears for political gain and it's disgusting to see.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)Let's see; one want's to stay on message and discuss what people came to hear at a particular event, and the other just a few months ago didn't know a thing about those pesky computers and now wants to control the internet. Yep, same thing. lol.
Controlling the internet controls the people and the info they can get without the conglomerate of mainstream news outlets.