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Fri Dec 18, 2015, 05:15 AM

 

Nothing is ever the Sanders campaign's fault.

Bernie Sanders never fucks up. He never has problems that are just of his, his staff's, or his supporters' own making.

If Bernie2016TV gets hit with a copyright strike for dumping four hours of copyrighted material on YouTube, it's because CNN is trying to protect Clinton, not because the moron in charge of the channel doesn't understand what the fuck fair use is.

If Time doesn't name Sanders POTY, it's because TimeWarner is in the bag for Clinton, not because there are people who have had a far more significant impact on the world that year than he.

If legitimate polls conducted by people who have spent their careers in statistics and sociology don't show Sanders winning 100% of the vote, it's because the polls are skewed and those professionals and book l'rners don't know what they're doing, not because Sanders isn't doing as well as his supporters assumed.

If African Americans, LGBTers, Hispanics, and women aren't falling over for Sanders immediately, it's because they're psychologically bonded with their abuser Clinton, not because Sanders' message isn't resonating with them or his supporters are absolutely failing at outreach.

If the media isn't following Sanders around and documenting everything he's doing, it's because they're totally afraid of him, not because he's not as interesting as his supporters believe him to be.

On the other hand, if the media is paying attention to Sanders and ask him a question they've been suspiciously instructed not to ask him, they're doing so because they hate black people, love war, and want to sabotage Sanders' campaign, not because they're actually doing their damn job in response to Sanders doing the press equivalent of "don't look!"

If protesters interrupt his speeches, they're angry, black, lesbian, Big Pharma Hillaryite Palin lovers, not because black people's issues have been fucking ignored and they finally found an opportunity to speak up.

If Sanders' staffers get caught dicking around in a place they've apparently been made aware they're not supposed to be, it's because DWS DNC WTF TCP/IP LOL hates Sanders, not because some of his staffers are incompetent nincompoops.

And if seeing all these excuses and conspiracy theories listed together reminds you of a raving lunatic who likes to wear shoes on his head and howl in empty parking garages, it's because you're one of Them!

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Reply Nothing is ever the Sanders campaign's fault. (Original post)
NuclearDem Dec 2015 OP
Cha Dec 2015 #1
George II Dec 2015 #107
Alfresco Dec 2015 #111
Cha Dec 2015 #119
boston bean Dec 2015 #2
quickesst Dec 2015 #3
MrMickeysMom Dec 2015 #4
72DejaVu Dec 2015 #5
baldguy Dec 2015 #6
BumRushDaShow Dec 2015 #7
retrowire Dec 2015 #8
yardwork Dec 2015 #15
VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #35
Jester Messiah Dec 2015 #40
Fawke Em Dec 2015 #90
VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #35
Armstead Dec 2015 #46
misterhighwasted Dec 2015 #66
VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #26
Skidmore Dec 2015 #33
okasha Dec 2015 #115
JaneyVee Dec 2015 #9
NurseJackie Dec 2015 #58
YoungDemCA Dec 2015 #98
Number23 Dec 2015 #117
Vinca Dec 2015 #10
yardwork Dec 2015 #12
magical thyme Dec 2015 #20
yardwork Dec 2015 #23
magical thyme Dec 2015 #31
yardwork Dec 2015 #38
magical thyme Dec 2015 #39
yardwork Dec 2015 #50
magical thyme Dec 2015 #73
Fawke Em Dec 2015 #92
arcane1 Dec 2015 #101
upaloopa Dec 2015 #47
misterhighwasted Dec 2015 #64
Name removed Dec 2015 #45
magical thyme Dec 2015 #71
JTFrog Dec 2015 #91
uponit7771 Dec 2015 #48
magical thyme Dec 2015 #72
Vinca Dec 2015 #86
seabeyond Dec 2015 #18
msrizzo Dec 2015 #34
yardwork Dec 2015 #11
sufrommich Dec 2015 #13
Alfresco Dec 2015 #14
tecelote Dec 2015 #16
Nonhlanhla Dec 2015 #54
SidDithers Dec 2015 #17
Coolest Ranger Dec 2015 #19
Gothmog Dec 2015 #69
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VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #28
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uponit7771 Dec 2015 #51
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MADem Dec 2015 #41
Fawke Em Dec 2015 #97
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rjsquirrel Dec 2015 #83
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Number23 Dec 2015 #118
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uponit7771 Dec 2015 #52
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wildeyed Dec 2015 #100
stonecutter357 Dec 2015 #25
upaloopa Dec 2015 #27
VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #29
MADem Dec 2015 #30
JaneyVee Dec 2015 #32
Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #42
Armstead Dec 2015 #49
uponit7771 Dec 2015 #53
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Persondem Dec 2015 #88
Fawke Em Dec 2015 #89
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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 05:27 AM

1. So they say.. but, they did fire their national data director, Josh Uretsky. So what's up with

firing an innocent person?

And, wow! Thank you for that summary of sanders' history around here, ND.

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Response to Cha (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 02:04 PM

107. Don't forget, he was originally referred to as a "low level staffer" and they STILL refer to him as.

....just a "staffer".

He was the NATIONAL DATA DIRECTOR!

And you have a great point - if he didn't do anything wrong, as the Sanders campaign has been insisting, and if he was only trying to help the DNC to close the firewall breach, why was he fired? For helping the DNC perhaps?

Back to the OP - great summary of the mindset of the Sanders campaign, thanks.

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Response to George II (Reply #107)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:41 PM

111. Looookeee Here....Free Data

Debbie made me do it.

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Response to George II (Reply #107)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:14 AM

119. See.. that's what I don't get, either.. why refer to Josh Uretsky as a "low level staffer" when

simple checking will find out differently. Same with the downloading breach itself.. did they not realize that in this day and techie age that it would be noticed!?

"Beyond simply reviewing the data, the logs show the Sanders staffers took deliberate steps to harvest and store the information. According to the logs, the Sanders staff created from scratch no fewer than 24 lists—consisting entirely of data pulled down from the Clinton campaign’s database—and saved them to their personal folders."


http://time.com/4155185/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-data/

BainsBane http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=914987

Oh, and I'd say the sanders campaign "sabotaged" their own campaign.

Excellent OP by NuclearDem!

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 05:45 AM

2. Haha. I now visit DU to read

The latest conspiracy theories and lmao!!

Thanks for the post!!

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 06:54 AM

3. Great summary. You.....

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 07:03 AM

4. It's Logical Fallacy Day, everybody!

And, JUST in time for all the usual suspects to jump up and down with tears of frustration.

I think the DNC, in their eternal frustration of how a SANDERS SHUT OUT with major media fails, will learn even more about the fucking DNC.

Meanwhile, go ahead and hand out your tin foil hat remarks. Frankly, it's my Friday morning entertainment!

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 07:27 AM

5. Berniegate!

Trademark pending

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 07:30 AM

6. k&r

 

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 07:49 AM

7. Pretty much sums it up

It's gotten ridiculous.

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 07:50 AM

8. points 1 through 7 have nothing to do with Bernie messing anything up

this was a nice attempt at smearing us, your fellow Democrats.

but point 8 is a mistake of someone on Bernie's team. no doubt. but DNC should've heeded the Bernie campaigns alert about the vulnerability as well.

Bernie fired the bad guy and has done everything right. Now it's the DNC's turn.

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Response to retrowire (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:01 AM

15. Bernie's campaign has to own their own talking points.

Or is that too "not Bernie's fault?"

The Sanders campaign has been characterized by deflection and blame at every misstep. This is a definite pattern, and reflects not being prepared for a national campaign.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #15)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:29 AM

35. So yeah the OP was right

 

Prime example....its called hero worship....because apparently he and his campaign can do no wrong in the eyes of some.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #35)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:34 AM

40. Oh the irony. [nt]

 

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #35)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 12:38 PM

90. No... it's because some of us here actually understand data security.

You - not so much.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #15)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:29 AM

35. So yeah the OP was right

 

Prime example....its called hero worship....because apparently he and his campaign can do no wrong in the eyes of some.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #15)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:41 AM

46. How is firing a top staffer deflection?

 

That's stepping up to the plate and acknowledging a mistake and correcting it.

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Response to Armstead (Reply #46)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 09:28 AM

66. Then own it and stop the blame game like a kid who blames the dog for missing homework.

Provide the data taken & move on.

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Response to retrowire (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:24 AM

26. fellow Democrats?

 

all of you?

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #26)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:28 AM

33. +1

Yeah, my eyebrows shot up with that one too.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #26)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 05:38 PM

115. +10

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 07:52 AM

9. Most thin-skinned campaign in history.

 

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:57 AM

58. That's amost to be expected ...

The over-aggressiveness we often see here and elsewhere now seems to been used as a defensive shield to compensate for an inherent weakness in the campaign.

My guess is that this incident (alone) will not be the death-knell of his campaign, and that Bernie can recover (even if wounded). The real challenge will be to see how the campaign (and his supporters) react and behave in response.

The choices they make, and their own actions (or inactions as the case may be) will reveal much. They'll need to proceed carefully... with careful thought and deliberation. The knee-jerk responses and aggressive over-reactions that many expect (based on established patterns) may end up causing more harm.

Of course, I'm not at all "concerned" how they handle a difficult and embarrassing situation. But it will be interesting to watch everything unfold.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 01:02 PM

98. +1000

 

Seriously.

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Response to YoungDemCA (Reply #98)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 06:18 PM

117. Am I the only one that wonders if the screams that the "corporate media" won't pay him any attention

will disapate now that's he's gotten the endorsement of the... wait for it... COMMUNICATIONS WORKERS OF AMERICA??! The folks who actually work IN THE MEDIA have endorsed him. Will that do anything to lessen the "why does the media keep ignoring him???!1" line??

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 07:52 AM

10. Apparently he did have a problem and he dealt with it promptly.

Were you hoping for a mass bleeding? Waterboarding? We know. You don't like Bernie. It's not as if you support a candidate who hasn't had her problems with computer-related information.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 07:57 AM

12. He dealt with it promptly after his campaign got caught, apparently.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:09 AM

20. no. his campaign notified the DNC of the firewall issue, the breach and the firing.

 

Not the other way around.

He should have kept his mouth shut and let the buggy software marketed by Aharon Wasserman continue to allow access whenever.

Because obviously the Democratic Party is the best at protecting secret information. Just ask Hillary.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #20)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:16 AM

23. Either way, looks like he handled this badly.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #23)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:27 AM

31. how? Should he have notified the press months ago that DNC firewall s/w wasn't working?

 

Instead of notifying the DNC quietly, months ago, so they could get it fixed?

Or when the DNC chose to ignore the firewall problem, then should he have taken it public?

He notified the DNC about the problem sw. They ignored his warning.

A rogue employee make use of the problem. He fired the rogue employee, let the DNC know about the breach and the fired employee.

Exactly what should he have done differently? Other than never say a word and allow the buggy software to continue to enable breaches of each others' data?

DWS and the DNC handled this horribly:
1. The software should have been fixed months ago, as soon as they were notified of the problem.
2. Sanders' campaign shouldn't be punished as a result of them notifying of the breach and firing the rogue employee.

Either all campaigns lose access to the database while they do the audit and repair the software, or none lose access.

It already looks like the Democratic party can't protect secret information. They shouldn't give the appearance of favoring one candidate over the other. It looks positively Rovian.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #31)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:31 AM

38. I'm not the one running for president. He's the one in charge.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #38)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:33 AM

39. you said he handled it badly. what could he have done differently?

 

if you judge someboy's performance as bad, that presumes you have ideas about what could or should have been done differently.

that you can't answer that tells me you're simply throwing mud.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #39)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:48 AM

50. No, I get to decide if I don't trust a candidate to handle things.

That's MY choice as a voter.

It's the candidate's job to inspire trust and confidence.

Bernie's campaign fucked up. That's not MY fault and it's not MY job to fix it.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #50)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 09:46 AM

73. you say he fucked up. I'm asking in what way did he fuck up?

 

but the fact is, you don't have an answer to that simple question. Because he didn't fuck up.

They notified the DNC months ago about the buggy firewall in the software marketed by Aharon Wasserman.

Months later, when an employee took advantage of the buggy firewall, they fired the employee and notified the DNC.

Exactly how did they fuck up?

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #73)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 12:41 PM

92. The poster can't answer the question.

And, what's funny, is that poster's chosen candidate had a rouge and unsecure private email server that could be easily hacked for years and never let State know about it. It was discovered during the GOP's Benghazi witch hunt.

So... the poster DOESN'T trust a candidate's team who notified the DNC and the third-party vendor on several occasions and within 30 minutes of the latest breach, but DOES trust a candidate who kept her private (and wide-open) server secret for years.

MMM-Kay.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #73)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 01:29 PM

101. Their script didn't include an answer to your question n/t

 

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #31)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:41 AM

47. A Bernie campaign person accessed data he wasn't supposed to.

None of that other stuff you listed exonerates him.

The OP is correct.

I can put up with the lying and distortions directed at Hillary and I can put up with the attacks on people in social media who support Hillary all because in a few months the Bernie campaign for president will come to an end.

Now this event happens and again you all make up lies and attack Hillary.

The history of the Bernie campaign for president when written will not be about him but it will be about how his supporters trashed his chances to be nominated.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #23)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 09:24 AM

64. He should have stopped it by providing the heisted data that

.. they asked him to provide.
Refusing to do so and turning it into a typical move of blame-everyone-but-bernie, is the real scandal.

Turn over the data your top guy stole bernie.
Stop the blame game.
This will be his own undoing.

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Fri Dec 18, 2015, 09:42 AM

71. good question. nt

 

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Response to Name removed (Reply #45)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 12:38 PM

91. No. n/t

 

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #20)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:42 AM

48. The company reports that it told the DNC of the breach first... Not Sanders campaign

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #48)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 09:43 AM

72. in which case, Sanders' campaign still did the right thing on being notified of the breach.

 

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Response to yardwork (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 12:30 PM

86. So maybe Hillary's team has done the same thing and hasn't gotten caught. You can't be sure.

She doesn't seem to follow the rules very well herself.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:05 AM

18. Just hoping his people doing wrong does not become Clinton vilified. Asking too much?

 

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Response to Vinca (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:28 AM

34. The fellow he fired says he was innocent.

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 07:56 AM

11. Laughing out loud and ROTFLMAO

I wish i could rec this more than once.

So true, just sums it all up.

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 07:59 AM

13. "DWS DNC WTF TCP/IP LOL"




Great OP.

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 07:59 AM

14. Great Post, Thanks.

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:01 AM

16. Nothing is ever the Sanders campaign's fault.

Because it's all Hillary's fault.

Haven't you been watching the news?

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Response to tecelote (Reply #16)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:54 AM

54. Because she is Eve... EOM

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:01 AM

17. Perfect...



Sid

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:07 AM

19. I can't wait for Super Tuesday

so things can return to normal around here. Thanks for this post

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Response to Coolest Ranger (Reply #19)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 09:34 AM

69. I agree

I am looking forward to Super Tuesday

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:11 AM

21. The DNC,

 

which is in the bag for Clinton, fucks the Sander's campaign, and Clinton clowns think its humorous and well deserved. There isn't a degree of difference between you folks and republicans. Any air left in the "lesser or two evils" argument just left the balloon. I doubt it will be so funny if you look back on this as the reason her majesty lost the election.

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Response to sulphurdunn (Reply #21)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:26 AM

28. Uh no....Sanders campaign got caught with the proverbial hand in the cookie jar

 

in other words...CHEATING!

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #28)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:35 AM

43. So you're saying the baker

 

hired by the DNC leaves the lid off the cookie jar. The Sander's people tell the baker and the DNC that the lid is off the cookie jar, so the DNC proceeds to tell the Sander's people they can't have anymore of their own cookies until they can prove they didn't swipe any of Hillary's cookies and you call it cheating. Brilliant!

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Response to sulphurdunn (Reply #43)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:37 AM

44. So if you find a wallet on the ground...

 

do you pocket it....or find out who it belongs to?

It was the National Data Director I might remind you...which would be like a police officer pocketing that wallet

So yeah...cheating

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Response to sulphurdunn (Reply #43)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:48 AM

51. Nope, Sander's data director said the DNC called him first that's in quotes

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Response to sulphurdunn (Reply #21)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:31 AM

37. I expected this kind of post to happen come Super Tuesday but the earlier the better I guess.

You all have taken your eye off the prize.

You spend so much time making up shit about Hillary. Now you blame everybody but Bernie's people for losing the DNC voter data.


There is no way in hell that kind of stuff will inspire people to follow you or Bernie.

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Response to sulphurdunn (Reply #21)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:35 AM

41. No. The Sanders campaign accessed data they had no right to access.

At least four people did this. Only one has been named and fired. They need to tell us who the other people were--were they low-level, or senior people?

The campaign supporters are trying to suggest that the campaign told the DNC about the firewall issue, when in fact the vendor was the one who reported it.

This reminds me of when George Will used a stolen briefing book from Jimmy Carter's campaign to help St. Ronnie of Raygun prepare for his debate.

"The DNC" didn't do anything to the Sanders campaign. The campaign did it to themselves. And they need to start responding to press inquiries.

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Response to MADem (Reply #41)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 01:01 PM

97. The vendor accidentally gave them the right.

Please get your facts straight.

The vendor dropped the firewall which allowed anyone on any campaign to have access to the information.

That's on the vendor.

Sounds like DU needs to understand data security better, especially after many members here yawn at how awful Clinton's security was on her private server.

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Fri Dec 18, 2015, 09:46 AM

74. Result

On Fri Dec 18, 2015, 09:42 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

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REASON FOR ALERT

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ALERTER'S COMMENTS

"Clinton clowns"

It is not appropriate to suggest members of this board are clowns regardless of which candidate they support.

Thank you.

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:13 AM

22. I am voting for Bernie

and I had my fill of his "campaign" and supporters six months ago ...

It's everything I hate about Republicans, same rationalizations.

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Response to Cosmocat (Reply #22)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:22 AM

83. Same here

 

I started out a big Bernie supporter, even changed my registration from Ind to Dem so I could vote for him in my primary. I've loved Bernie for years.

But watching his supporters at DU and elsewhere has made me rethink that. Thin-skinned, self-righteous, snarling like Trump fans at any insinuation Bernie isn't perfect, attacking Clinton in outright misogynist ways, and carrying a torch for a leftist fantasy that leads them to deny political reality and clear poll numbers, blaming every setback on a conspiracy and tarring Clinton supporters with ugly labels.

Screw that. I decided I would vote for HRC in the primary after all several weeks ago. Bernie's campaign has shades of Ralph Nader's, his voters are all too willing to threaten not to support the candidate who will obviously be our nominee. Lol whut?

Intolerant "progressives" who are as misogynist as the average Cruz voter have driven me to support Ms. Clinton more enthusiastically than I did before. The churlish blame-everyone-else response to the morning news confirms that Sanders' supporters are approaching a delusional level of denial.

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Response to rjsquirrel (Reply #83)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 02:03 PM

105. The thought pops up for me

in the moment when I see/hear people doing the things you note - very accurate about a lot, not all, of his supporters.

But, I am voting for him because he is very right on most of the issues and also is balls out speaking to progressive positions, something so rare in democrats who almost universally are too scared of their own shadow to stand up for anything.

It does piss me off to no end how they trample all over Hillary.

Republicans are wrong, literally on everything.

But, Bernistas treat her like republican do, and I had my fill of that shit two decades ago with republicans.

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Response to Cosmocat (Reply #105)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 06:21 PM

118. You and rjsquirrel's posts should be OPs. There are too many other Sanders supporters here that have

said the exact same things you both have. Love Sanders, HORRIFIED by his supporters/campaign.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #118)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:20 PM

122. I tried

this summer to OP as a Bernie voter to supporters, trying to point some of these things out ...

It pretty much either fell on deaf ears, resulted in people dismissing me as some kind of super secret Hillary supporter or people pretty much telling me to not vote for Bernie ...

it isn't ALL of the Bernie supporters here, there are some good folks who get it.

But, mostly, it is exactly like trying to deal with republicans.

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Response to Cosmocat (Reply #122)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:24 PM

123. I know. For a good while there, Sanders SUPPORTERS were getting almost as much publicity as

Sanders himself. There was article after article after article written about the atrocious, counter-productive and completely off putting behavior of too many Sanders supporters, particularly towards minorities. Occupy even denounced it. So did prominent liberals like Van Jones and Thom Hartmann.

And like your OP, it barely made a bit of difference. I don't think anything will happen until Sanders says something about it himself and at this point, I'm not sure he's going to.

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:17 AM

24. If a Clinton staffer had done this can you imagine the shrieking?

Oh my.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #24)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:49 AM

52. +1

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #24)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:56 AM

56. It would be deafening. EOM

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #24)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 01:22 PM

100. The howls of indignation.

would echo to the moon and back.

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:17 AM

25. K&R!

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:25 AM

27. As I read the OP's and threads this morning it seems to me the Bernie campaign on this board

is coming unhinged.

Flailing attacks on Hillary


Threats to move to FL and wreck DWS's campaign.


Blaming Hillary for their guy breaking the law.

We are coming here for the comedy now.

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:26 AM

29. K&R

 

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:27 AM

30. That's it, in a nutshell--well articulated. nt

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:27 AM

32. K AND R!

 

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:35 AM

42. K & R, great post, plain spoken.

If the supporters has a problem with points discussed, ask Obama for a lesson in remaining calm with criticism, there is a lot to be learned. Hillary lets criticism roll off of her back like rain.

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:43 AM

49. Bullshit. Firing a top staffer is not deflecting blame.

 

Pointing out the backstory is not making excuses. It is simply explaining the circumstances.

Should he have pulled a Clinton, and dug in his heels and refused to admit any errors, and let it drag on and on instead?

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Response to Armstead (Reply #49)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:50 AM

53. The date of Directors said the DNC called him first he did not report it to the DNC at all

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:55 AM

55. Meanspiritedness can leave someone

alone in times of need.

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Response to mmonk (Reply #55)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 09:24 AM

63. Oh noos, another thinly veiled threat not to vote!

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Response to MoonRiver (Reply #63)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 09:27 AM

65. Not a threat. Human nature.

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Response to mmonk (Reply #65)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:11 AM

81. Are you referring to revenge?

Can't imagine any other aspect of human nature you could mean.

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Response to MoonRiver (Reply #81)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:28 AM

84. It's not in people's nature to care for

people that treat them poorly.

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:57 AM

57. "Marsha, Marsha, Marsha!!"

 

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #57)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 09:00 AM

60. lol nt

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #57)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:08 AM

80. Um, that's "Marcia, Marcia, Marcia"...

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #80)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 12:33 PM

87. lol

 



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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:58 AM

59. I recently made this exact point, just not as well.

 

Every negative aspect of his career has been blamed on others.

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 09:13 AM

61. OP of the Month! I see the bernie pity party is surging..but..but..but

They have simply asked the sander's campaign to provide the data taken.
That's it. If he refuses to do so & turns this error into a blame-everyone-but-bernie party, then it would be rightfully suspicious that bernie's campaign did indeed grab important data that benefits his campaign & is doing all it can to deflect, blame & avoid the truth.
Nixonesque- "I am not a crook, Rosemary Woods did it"

Provide the data you took or we will asssume the next obvious answer. That your top guy was up to sleazy, low-life, desperate assholery.

Hand over the proof bernie. Its simple.

MOST EXCELLENT OP

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 09:14 AM

62. It's incredible how this is getting played !

It's Hillary's fault, DWS's fault, the DNC - just admit to a screw up!

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 09:31 AM

67. Amazing and accurate OP

Thanks for posting. I agree with the premise of your OP

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 09:33 AM

68. Thank you for taking the hide risk in posting this.

 

It needed to be said, but I bet the jury vote will be close.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #68)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 12:44 PM

95. Has the jury spoken on this thread yet?

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 09:37 AM

70. It's true

 

He is a perfect person. His supporters are the only true progressives. The rest of us are corporate shills.

Lol.

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 09:47 AM

75. It's still amazing to see how deeply one has to dig into this shoestring campaign to find errors...

...or wrongheadedness.

If we attribute all of these thing to malice or missteps within the Sanders campaign, I'll still prefer the candidate's platform to that of the front-runner. These complaints are all small things compared to a half-assed, corporate and militaristic version of liberalism. The perfect ought not to be the enemy of the very, very good.

And petty sniping at supporters of different Dems is beneath us.

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Response to Orsino (Reply #75)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:01 AM

78. Nice try at changing the subject

It gets a little ridiculous when the BSers try to make this Hillary's or the DNC's fault. The constant creation of straw men and the perpetual victimhood is exhausting. It's the BSers that are making this a much bigger deal than it is.

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Response to redstateblues (Reply #78)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:07 AM

79. It seemed that the subject was straw-manning.

Over tedious complaints about DU posters.

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 09:56 AM

76. The berners blame game...

is in high gear.

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 09:57 AM

77. Yeah

It's very sad to watch, depressing to read, yet can be some of the entertaining most conspiracy driven politics I've ever seen outside of PrisonPlanet.

However, when you have groups of people who state they won't vote for Hillary in the primary because IHF syndrome (It's Hillary's fault) I'm done. Just fucking done. I don't want to see or or hear it. That has zero logical sense on even a widely democratic board.

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:18 AM

82. K and R

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:15 AM

85. That sums it up very well

It gets old. It also presents their own candidate as helpless in the face of the all powerful Clinton conspiracy. I have to wonder if they really believe he so lacks agency, why would they want him to be president?

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 12:34 PM

88. A great read. Thank you for taking the time. K & R nt

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 12:36 PM

89. Well, in this instance, he didn't.

The third-party vendor dropped the firewall. That's on them.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #89)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 12:43 PM

93. The Sanders campaign downloaded or exported proprietary information

How would you feel if the Clinton campaign exported or downloaded proprietary information from the Sanders campaign?

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #93)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 12:58 PM

96. No - they didn't download anything.

They may have seen it, but they didn't download anything.

And, from what I'm hearing, they saw it during routine querying, discovered it, attempted to see if their own material was breached and then reported it.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/12/18/sanders-campaign-disciplined-for-breaching-clinton-data/

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #96)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 02:02 PM

104. Sanders Accounts Saved Clinton Data During Breach, Audit Says

Here are some facts for you to consider http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-12-18/sanders-campaign-fires-data-director-after-breach-of-clinton-files

The Sanders team's explanation of the incident has gradually changed since it was first confirmed late Thursday, initially saying that only a single “low-level” staffer accessed the Clinton data and that none of it was saved.

But the database logs created by NGP VAN show that four accounts associated with the Sanders team took advantage of the Wednesday morning breach. Staffers conducted searches that would be especially advantageous to the campaign, including lists of its likeliest supporters in 10 early voting states, including Iowa and New Hampshire. Campaigns rent access to a master file of DNC voter information the party, and update the files with their own data culled from field work and other investments.

After one Sanders account gained access to the Clinton data, the audits show, that user began sharing permissions with other Sanders users. The staffers who secured access to the Clinton data included national data director Josh Uretsky, who was fired on Thursday, and his deputy, Russell Drapkin. The two other usernames that viewed Clinton information were “talani" and "csmith_bernie," created by Uretsky's account after the breach began.

Though the Sanders campaign initially claimed that it had not saved Clinton data, the logs show that the Vermont senator’s team created at least 24 lists during the 40-minute breach, which started at 10:40 a.m., and saved those lists to their personal folders. The Sanders searches included New Hampshire lists related to older voters, "HFA Turnout 60-100" and "HFA Support 50-100," that were conducted and saved by Uretsky. Drapkin's account searched for and saved lists including "HFA Support <30" in Iowa and "HFA Turnout 30-70"' in New Hampshire.

Sanders claim that no data was saved or downloaded is not correct.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #96)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 12:04 PM

128. You're behind on this

Info was downloaded. There are several reports of it.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #89)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 01:19 PM

99. That still doesn't mean view data that is known to be private and not belonging to the Sanders ...

... campaign and THEN not report downed firewall at the time of notice to the DNC or the company!!

This is Sanders directors issues

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 12:43 PM

94. Ain't that the truth?

 

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 01:42 PM

102. Sanders and his supporters got what they wanted....

The media is giving him LOTS of coverage now!



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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 02:04 PM

106. "Hey, they left the keys in the car, it was a plot to make me steal it!!!1!1!

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:01 PM

108. K&R x 1000! Great post

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:09 PM

109. Martin is my next choice (A Democrat for much longer than Bernie was).

Bernie is last.

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:24 PM

110. Kick!

Absolutely nailed it to the wall.

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:42 PM

112. Weaver isn't excusing the relevant staffers' actions.

 

Secondly, after discussion with the DNC it became clear that some of our staffers irresponsibly accessed some of the data from another campaign. That behavior is unacceptable to the Sanders campaign and we fired the staffer immediately and made certain that any information obtained was not utilized. We are now speaking to other staffers who might have been involved and further disciplinary action . Clearly, while that information was made available to our campaign because of the incompetence of the vendor, it should not have been looked at. Period.

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:50 PM

113. K & R!!!

Excellent summary!!!

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:10 PM

114. Statement of the Clinton campaign

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 06:15 PM

116. I abbolutely have to rec this. And even in the face that Bernie's campaign is the one that did the

wrong doing, to the faithful, somehow it's HILLARY'S fault and she is the one that should be punished.

This behavior has gone from bizarre, to disturbing to straight up psychotic now.

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:16 AM

120. It is like Bernie supporters are being groomed by

psychopaths to think that they and their leader are perfect. That is the first step in getting people to scapegoat. The only adult way to be safe is to accept good and bad in yourself and your leaders. That way republicans in sheep's clothing on the DU and elsewhere will not be able to manipulate Bernie supporters into destroying the Democrats.

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 02:11 PM

121. Self-Righteous Kick

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:26 PM

124. Excellent thread!

K & R

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 10:11 AM

125. A needed timely kick.

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 10:21 AM

126. Thank you!

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Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Mon Dec 21, 2015, 10:25 AM

127. Only in the minds of Sanders supporters.

Avid supporters often can find no wrong in the candidate they support. That's true across the board, really.

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