Fri Dec 18, 2015, 05:15 AM

NuclearDem (16,184 posts)

Nothing is ever the Sanders campaign's fault.

Bernie Sanders never fucks up. He never has problems that are just of his, his staff's, or his supporters' own making.

If Bernie2016TV gets hit with a copyright strike for dumping four hours of copyrighted material on YouTube, it's because CNN is trying to protect Clinton, not because the moron in charge of the channel doesn't understand what the fuck fair use is.

If Time doesn't name Sanders POTY, it's because TimeWarner is in the bag for Clinton, not because there are people who have had a far more significant impact on the world that year than he.

If legitimate polls conducted by people who have spent their careers in statistics and sociology don't show Sanders winning 100% of the vote, it's because the polls are skewed and those professionals and book l'rners don't know what they're doing, not because Sanders isn't doing as well as his supporters assumed.

If African Americans, LGBTers, Hispanics, and women aren't falling over for Sanders immediately, it's because they're psychologically bonded with their abuser Clinton, not because Sanders' message isn't resonating with them or his supporters are absolutely failing at outreach.

If the media isn't following Sanders around and documenting everything he's doing, it's because they're totally afraid of him, not because he's not as interesting as his supporters believe him to be.

On the other hand, if the media is paying attention to Sanders and ask him a question they've been suspiciously instructed not to ask him, they're doing so because they hate black people, love war, and want to sabotage Sanders' campaign, not because they're actually doing their damn job in response to Sanders doing the press equivalent of "don't look!"

If protesters interrupt his speeches, they're angry, black, lesbian, Big Pharma Hillaryite Palin lovers, not because black people's issues have been fucking ignored and they finally found an opportunity to speak up.

If Sanders' staffers get caught dicking around in a place they've apparently been made aware they're not supposed to be, it's because DWS DNC WTF TCP/IP LOL hates Sanders, not because some of his staffers are incompetent nincompoops.

And if seeing all these excuses and conspiracy theories listed together reminds you of a raving lunatic who likes to wear shoes on his head and howl in empty parking garages, it's because you're one of Them!

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Nothing is ever the Sanders campaign's fault. (Original post)	NuclearDem	Dec 2015	OP
So they say.. but, they did fire their national data director, Josh Uretsky. So what's up with	Cha	Dec 2015	#1
Don't forget, he was originally referred to as a "low level staffer" and they STILL refer to him as.	George II	Dec 2015	#107
Looookeee Here....Free Data	Alfresco	Dec 2015	#111
See.. that's what I don't get, either.. why refer to Josh Uretsky as a "low level staffer" when	Cha	Dec 2015	#119
Haha. I now visit DU to read	boston bean	Dec 2015	#2
Great summary. You.....	quickesst	Dec 2015	#3
It's Logical Fallacy Day, everybody!	MrMickeysMom	Dec 2015	#4
Berniegate!	72DejaVu	Dec 2015	#5
k&r	baldguy	Dec 2015	#6
Pretty much sums it up	BumRushDaShow	Dec 2015	#7
points 1 through 7 have nothing to do with Bernie messing anything up	retrowire	Dec 2015	#8
Bernie's campaign has to own their own talking points.	yardwork	Dec 2015	#15
So yeah the OP was right	VanillaRhapsody	Dec 2015	#35
Oh the irony. [nt]	Jester Messiah	Dec 2015	#40
No... it's because some of us here actually understand data security.	Fawke Em	Dec 2015	#90
So yeah the OP was right	VanillaRhapsody	Dec 2015	#35
How is firing a top staffer deflection?	Armstead	Dec 2015	#46
Then own it and stop the blame game like a kid who blames the dog for missing homework.	misterhighwasted	Dec 2015	#66
fellow Democrats?	VanillaRhapsody	Dec 2015	#26
+1	Skidmore	Dec 2015	#33
+10	okasha	Dec 2015	#115
Most thin-skinned campaign in history.	JaneyVee	Dec 2015	#9
That's amost to be expected ...	NurseJackie	Dec 2015	#58
+1000	YoungDemCA	Dec 2015	#98
Am I the only one that wonders if the screams that the "corporate media" won't pay him any attention	Number23	Dec 2015	#117
Apparently he did have a problem and he dealt with it promptly.	Vinca	Dec 2015	#10
He dealt with it promptly after his campaign got caught, apparently.	yardwork	Dec 2015	#12
no. his campaign notified the DNC of the firewall issue, the breach and the firing.	magical thyme	Dec 2015	#20
Either way, looks like he handled this badly.	yardwork	Dec 2015	#23
how? Should he have notified the press months ago that DNC firewall s/w wasn't working?	magical thyme	Dec 2015	#31
I'm not the one running for president. He's the one in charge.	yardwork	Dec 2015	#38
you said he handled it badly. what could he have done differently?	magical thyme	Dec 2015	#39
No, I get to decide if I don't trust a candidate to handle things.	yardwork	Dec 2015	#50
you say he fucked up. I'm asking in what way did he fuck up?	magical thyme	Dec 2015	#73
The poster can't answer the question.	Fawke Em	Dec 2015	#92
Their script didn't include an answer to your question n/t	arcane1	Dec 2015	#101
A Bernie campaign person accessed data he wasn't supposed to.	upaloopa	Dec 2015	#47
He should have stopped it by providing the heisted data that	misterhighwasted	Dec 2015	#64
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Dec 2015	#45
good question. nt	magical thyme	Dec 2015	#71
No. n/t	JTFrog	Dec 2015	#91
The company reports that it told the DNC of the breach first... Not Sanders campaign	uponit7771	Dec 2015	#48
in which case, Sanders' campaign still did the right thing on being notified of the breach.	magical thyme	Dec 2015	#72
So maybe Hillary's team has done the same thing and hasn't gotten caught. You can't be sure.	Vinca	Dec 2015	#86
Just hoping his people doing wrong does not become Clinton vilified. Asking too much?	seabeyond	Dec 2015	#18
The fellow he fired says he was innocent.	msrizzo	Dec 2015	#34
Laughing out loud and ROTFLMAO	yardwork	Dec 2015	#11
"DWS DNC WTF TCP/IP LOL"	sufrommich	Dec 2015	#13
Great Post, Thanks.	Alfresco	Dec 2015	#14
Nothing is ever the Sanders campaign's fault.	tecelote	Dec 2015	#16
Because she is Eve... EOM	Nonhlanhla	Dec 2015	#54
Perfect...	SidDithers	Dec 2015	#17
I can't wait for Super Tuesday	Coolest Ranger	Dec 2015	#19
I agree	Gothmog	Dec 2015	#69
The DNC,	sulphurdunn	Dec 2015	#21
Uh no....Sanders campaign got caught with the proverbial hand in the cookie jar	VanillaRhapsody	Dec 2015	#28
So you're saying the baker	sulphurdunn	Dec 2015	#43
So if you find a wallet on the ground...	VanillaRhapsody	Dec 2015	#44
Nope, Sander's data director said the DNC called him first that's in quotes	uponit7771	Dec 2015	#51
I expected this kind of post to happen come Super Tuesday but the earlier the better I guess.	upaloopa	Dec 2015	#37
No. The Sanders campaign accessed data they had no right to access.	MADem	Dec 2015	#41
The vendor accidentally gave them the right.	Fawke Em	Dec 2015	#97
Result	LiberalArkie	Dec 2015	#74
I am voting for Bernie	Cosmocat	Dec 2015	#22
Same here	rjsquirrel	Dec 2015	#83
The thought pops up for me	Cosmocat	Dec 2015	#105
You and rjsquirrel's posts should be OPs. There are too many other Sanders supporters here that have	Number23	Dec 2015	#118
I tried	Cosmocat	Dec 2015	#122
I know. For a good while there, Sanders SUPPORTERS were getting almost as much publicity as	Number23	Dec 2015	#123
If a Clinton staffer had done this can you imagine the shrieking?	Starry Messenger	Dec 2015	#24
+1	uponit7771	Dec 2015	#52
It would be deafening. EOM	Nonhlanhla	Dec 2015	#56
The howls of indignation.	wildeyed	Dec 2015	#100
K&R!	stonecutter357	Dec 2015	#25
As I read the OP's and threads this morning it seems to me the Bernie campaign on this board	upaloopa	Dec 2015	#27
K&R	VanillaRhapsody	Dec 2015	#29
That's it, in a nutshell--well articulated. nt	MADem	Dec 2015	#30
K AND R!	JaneyVee	Dec 2015	#32
K & R, great post, plain spoken.	Thinkingabout	Dec 2015	#42
Bullshit. Firing a top staffer is not deflecting blame.	Armstead	Dec 2015	#49
The date of Directors said the DNC called him first he did not report it to the DNC at all	uponit7771	Dec 2015	#53
Meanspiritedness can leave someone	mmonk	Dec 2015	#55
Oh noos, another thinly veiled threat not to vote!	MoonRiver	Dec 2015	#63
Not a threat. Human nature.	mmonk	Dec 2015	#65
Are you referring to revenge?	MoonRiver	Dec 2015	#81
It's not in people's nature to care for	mmonk	Dec 2015	#84
"Marsha, Marsha, Marsha!!"	AgingAmerican	Dec 2015	#57
lol nt	LWolf	Dec 2015	#60
Um, that's "Marcia, Marcia, Marcia"...	brooklynite	Dec 2015	#80
lol	AgingAmerican	Dec 2015	#87
I recently made this exact point, just not as well.	NCTraveler	Dec 2015	#59
OP of the Month! I see the bernie pity party is surging..but..but..but	misterhighwasted	Dec 2015	#61
It's incredible how this is getting played !	treestar	Dec 2015	#62
Amazing and accurate OP	Gothmog	Dec 2015	#67
Thank you for taking the hide risk in posting this.	MohRokTah	Dec 2015	#68
Has the jury spoken on this thread yet?	Gothmog	Dec 2015	#95
It's true	rjsquirrel	Dec 2015	#70
It's still amazing to see how deeply one has to dig into this shoestring campaign to find errors...	Orsino	Dec 2015	#75
Nice try at changing the subject	redstateblues	Dec 2015	#78
It seemed that the subject was straw-manning.	Orsino	Dec 2015	#79
The berners blame game...	Alfresco	Dec 2015	#76
Yeah	ismnotwasm	Dec 2015	#77
K and R	MrWendel	Dec 2015	#82
That sums it up very well	BainsBane	Dec 2015	#85
A great read. Thank you for taking the time. K & R nt	Persondem	Dec 2015	#88
Well, in this instance, he didn't.	Fawke Em	Dec 2015	#89
The Sanders campaign downloaded or exported proprietary information	Gothmog	Dec 2015	#93
No - they didn't download anything.	Fawke Em	Dec 2015	#96
See this.. yes, the sanders camp saved some data..	riversedge	Dec 2015	#103
Sanders Accounts Saved Clinton Data During Breach, Audit Says	Gothmog	Dec 2015	#104
You're behind on this	brush	Dec 2015	#128
That still doesn't mean view data that is known to be private and not belonging to the Sanders ...	uponit7771	Dec 2015	#99
Ain't that the truth?	workinclasszero	Dec 2015	#94
Sanders and his supporters got what they wanted....	revmclaren	Dec 2015	#102
"Hey, they left the keys in the car, it was a plot to make me steal it!!!1!1!	SunSeeker	Dec 2015	#106
K&R x 1000! Great post	redstateblues	Dec 2015	#108
Martin is my next choice (A Democrat for much longer than Bernie was).	Dawson Leery	Dec 2015	#109
Kick!	Bobbie Jo	Dec 2015	#110
Weaver isn't excusing the relevant staffers' actions.	Vattel	Dec 2015	#112
K & R!!!	NanceGreggs	Dec 2015	#113
Statement of the Clinton campaign	Gothmog	Dec 2015	#114
I abbolutely have to rec this. And even in the face that Bernie's campaign is the one that did the	Number23	Dec 2015	#116
It is like Bernie supporters are being groomed by	applegrove	Dec 2015	#120
Self-Righteous Kick	Alfresco	Dec 2015	#121
Excellent thread!	R B Garr	Dec 2015	#124
A needed timely kick.	Alfresco	Dec 2015	#125
Thank you!	RandySF	Dec 2015	#126
Only in the minds of Sanders supporters.	MineralMan	Dec 2015	#127

Response to NuclearDem (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 05:27 AM

Cha (282,432 posts)

1. So they say.. but, they did fire their national data director, Josh Uretsky. So what's up with

firing an innocent person?

And, wow! Thank you for that summary of sanders' history around here, ND.

Nothing is ever the Sanders campaign's fault.

1. So they say.. but, they did fire their national data director, Josh Uretsky. So what's up with

107. Don't forget, he was originally referred to as a "low level staffer" and they STILL refer to him as.

111. Looookeee Here....Free Data

119. See.. that's what I don't get, either.. why refer to Josh Uretsky as a "low level staffer" when

2. Haha. I now visit DU to read

3. Great summary. You.....

4. It's Logical Fallacy Day, everybody!

5. Berniegate!

6. k&r

7. Pretty much sums it up

8. points 1 through 7 have nothing to do with Bernie messing anything up

15. Bernie's campaign has to own their own talking points.

35. So yeah the OP was right

40. Oh the irony. [nt]

90. No... it's because some of us here actually understand data security.

35. So yeah the OP was right

46. How is firing a top staffer deflection?

66. Then own it and stop the blame game like a kid who blames the dog for missing homework.

26. fellow Democrats?

33. +1

115. +10

9. Most thin-skinned campaign in history.

58. That's amost to be expected ...

98. +1000

117. Am I the only one that wonders if the screams that the "corporate media" won't pay him any attention

10. Apparently he did have a problem and he dealt with it promptly.

12. He dealt with it promptly after his campaign got caught, apparently.

20. no. his campaign notified the DNC of the firewall issue, the breach and the firing.

23. Either way, looks like he handled this badly.

31. how? Should he have notified the press months ago that DNC firewall s/w wasn't working?

38. I'm not the one running for president. He's the one in charge.

39. you said he handled it badly. what could he have done differently?

50. No, I get to decide if I don't trust a candidate to handle things.

73. you say he fucked up. I'm asking in what way did he fuck up?

92. The poster can't answer the question.

101. Their script didn't include an answer to your question n/t

47. A Bernie campaign person accessed data he wasn't supposed to.

64. He should have stopped it by providing the heisted data that

71. good question. nt

91. No. n/t

48. The company reports that it told the DNC of the breach first... Not Sanders campaign

72. in which case, Sanders' campaign still did the right thing on being notified of the breach.

86. So maybe Hillary's team has done the same thing and hasn't gotten caught. You can't be sure.

18. Just hoping his people doing wrong does not become Clinton vilified. Asking too much?

34. The fellow he fired says he was innocent.

11. Laughing out loud and ROTFLMAO

13. "DWS DNC WTF TCP/IP LOL"

14. Great Post, Thanks.

16. Nothing is ever the Sanders campaign's fault.

54. Because she is Eve... EOM

17. Perfect...

19. I can't wait for Super Tuesday

69. I agree

21. The DNC,

28. Uh no....Sanders campaign got caught with the proverbial hand in the cookie jar

43. So you're saying the baker

44. So if you find a wallet on the ground...

51. Nope, Sander's data director said the DNC called him first that's in quotes

37. I expected this kind of post to happen come Super Tuesday but the earlier the better I guess.

41. No. The Sanders campaign accessed data they had no right to access.

97. The vendor accidentally gave them the right.

74. Result

22. I am voting for Bernie

83. Same here

105. The thought pops up for me

118. You and rjsquirrel's posts should be OPs. There are too many other Sanders supporters here that have

122. I tried

123. I know. For a good while there, Sanders SUPPORTERS were getting almost as much publicity as

24. If a Clinton staffer had done this can you imagine the shrieking?

52. +1

56. It would be deafening. EOM

100. The howls of indignation.

25. K&R!

27. As I read the OP's and threads this morning it seems to me the Bernie campaign on this board

29. K&R

30. That's it, in a nutshell--well articulated. nt

32. K AND R!

42. K & R, great post, plain spoken.

49. Bullshit. Firing a top staffer is not deflecting blame.