2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumAnother huge dump of Hillary's emails and still no smoking gun.
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Republican National Committee (RNC) Chairman Reince Priebus seized upon the news of the upgraded emails as another reason the 2016 presidential candidate couldn't be taken at her word. "With more than 1,250 emails containing classified information now uncovered, Hillary Clinton's decision to put secrecy over national security by exclusively operating off of a secret email server looks even more reckless," he said in a statement on Thursday.
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The State Department, however, reminded that the classifications were retroactive. "The information we upgraded today was not marked classified at the time the emails were sent," the official said.
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The final installment is expected just before the Iowa caucuses in February.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/01/01/state-department-releases-over-3000-clinton-emails-on-new-years-eve.html (sorry for the Faux Newz link.)
Thank goodness this nonsense will be over with by February!
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)But hardly the smoking gun most folks apparently wanted it to be.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)I think her main motivation was control.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)It wasn't on the level of getting a blowjob from your intern in the oval office stupid, but it was an incredible blunder that opened up her private email to scrutiny by her enemies. "Control" has turned into "here check my laundry hamper too".
DCBob
(24,689 posts)No evidence of anything of the sort you claim. It was poor decision but based on something legitimate. There is nothing wrong with wanting control especially in her position at the time. Her biggest failure I guess would be not understanding email server security.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)If as you say her intention was "control" what she got instead was absolute loss of control. All of her private emails are being made public.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)No matter what email system she used, a FOIA request could be made to get emails she sent during her time as Secretary of State.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)her SOS email.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Not really a big deal in the grand scheme of things.
napi21
(45,806 posts)What if a gov't official does keep a "private email acct." & "a secure gov't email acct.", then accidentally uses the private one for classified info? Under the current laws, it looks like no one would ever know. That being the case, isn't the whole witch hunt obviously a glaring attack JUST BECAUSE it's Hillary?
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Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)And people wonder why we haven't found a smoking gun?!?
DCBob
(24,689 posts)That is not an issue except to the GOP and some Sanders supporters.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Indeed, that is part of why we do not support her.
Sanders, however, has shown trustworthiness.
It isn't complicated, Hillary has just lied too many times.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)None of these alleged scandals have ever stuck. Her biggest flaws are all related to campaigning. She sometimes exaggerates a bit or misspeaks. Most do it from time to time. Not a huge issue to me. She is a hard core politician and simply wants to win.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)People who know Hillary so well.
You should write a biography and make some money with all that inside information.
Of course you have to get in line behind all the other scandal mongers.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Hiding such from her subjects. But a review of the content smoking gun is in the eye of the beholder is very insightful relative to her "specialness," personality quirks etc. VALUABLE BEYOND BELIEF AND MUST BE FULLY EXAMINED AND DISTRIBUTED.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)There were emails that were quoted in the paper this morning that gave considerable insight into the REAL personality of Mrs. Clinton.
If "appointed" to the Presidency as is the obvious plan of the Corporatist Oligarchy we would be looking at "QUEEN Fucking Hillary" w/o a doubt. You've got to read some of this crap it is in a word UNBELIEVABLE!
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)karynnj
(59,501 posts)People who already liked Clinton mostly argued it was no big deal. Most of those who questioned it, questioned the PROCESS.
Hillary was the first to demand all the email SHE GAVE the State Department be made public. Personally, I don't think her actions as SoS were illegal, so nothing other than her perchance for secrecy and lack of transparency were the negatives shown.
As to the right, many never expected a smoking gun to come out because Clinton people determined what went to the SD. What that means is, that for them, the huge amount of work by the SD could never exonerate HRC and Obama.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Failed miserably but it was eleven hours of showcasing a great candidate, maybe we are going to have to say thank you Republicans, could not have gotten this showcase without your "help".
DCBob
(24,689 posts)That turned into the best campaign ad ever.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Break her.
madokie
(51,076 posts)the people already have their minds made up, either they're for or against Hillary. No one is going to be changing their minds.
Case in point. The same people who wouldn't vote for her in '08 won't be voting for her in '16. In my neck of the woods I don't know but a couple people who will vote for her and a shit pot full of people who will get up and go vote against her if she is our nominee. Those numbers hasn't changed and aren't likely to change. Hence Bernie's saying the american people are sick of hearing about your damn emails. They don't matter to the average joe and jane
Hillary is a sure bet on a repubi'CON walking into the white house as President in January of '17. You can take that to the bank because it is Fact.
Hillary will not be our nominee so I'm not much concerned about her anyway, just sick of her waffling ways is all.
Read my sig line to get a feel for what I am and who I will vote for in the general before you go off saying I'm one of those who, (I've only seen a couple who,) say they damn sure won't vote for the Hill. I will if I have to but it will be a have to case. OK
comradebillyboy
(10,143 posts)and Gowdy at the end was priceless
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/conservatives-ridicule-gop-benghazi-committee-members-hillary-is-too-smart-for-them/
riversedge
(70,189 posts)America has a real problem because so many low information voters gobble this crap up and Believe it--and spread it around.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Most everyone else is "sick of hearing about her damn emails"!
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)?
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)They are all going to be disappointed.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)Few are interested anymore except Republicans and desperate Sanders supporters.
You are wrong.
I don't want them to find anything because it hurts the entire party and our chances in the GE....no matter who the candidate is.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)!
cali
(114,904 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)We just have to trust her! Right.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)If I didn't know any better, I would have assumed you were a freeper. Even Bernie Sanders has said enough about the damn emails.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)The whole Benghazi scandal blew up in the GOP's face. Their witchhunt has and should have been condemned.
However, it is a legitimate issue that she had a private e-mail server for communication and could delete what she pleased before turning things over to the State Department. How is it a legitimate issue? Because I as a democratic primary voter decided it was, and because it speaks to a lack of transparency and integrity.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)They are obsessed with Clinton emails. Every time their is an email dump, it's a holiday over there. I think it's your cup of tea. Trey Gowdy must be your hero. He is probably the single most person infatuated with Clinton emails. I bet you were disappointed when nothing came out of the 11 hour Benghazi/email hearing.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)I believe in
* Publicly financed elections
* Instant runoff voting
* State-funded universities which are tuition-free
* Substantial Wall St. regulations, including an empowered DOJ and SEC.
* An end to the revolving door of politics and private industry
* Healthcare for all
* Abortion rights and access for every woman
* Closing tax loopholes on the rich, forcing the wealthy to pay their fair share.
* Strengthening Social Security.
* Corporate tax reform; closing loopholes and discouraging corporate inversions.
* Restraint in foreign affairs; no nation building, regime change. Just trade.
* Union protections.
* No free trade agreements which put U.S. workers at a disadvantage; tariffs might be a good idea.
* Clean energy and strong environmental regulations to stop global climate change
* An end to domestic spying by the NSA or any of the Five Eyes
* Free Speech and the Bill of Rights absolutely.
* Black Lives Matter
Things I might agree with freepers on:
* RKBA (partly)
* Hillary Clinton has a lack of integrity
* Fiscal responsibility (i.e. no boondoggles, but then what Democrat wouldn't agree with me here?)
Response to JonLeibowitz (Reply #38)
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JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)I support the RKBA. In case you missed it, there is an entire group on this very forum (Gun Control & RKBA). Many DU members support the RKBA and are democratic voters. Your willful ignorance notwithstanding, one can support the RKBA and not support the NRA.
You completely ignored everything that I believe in that the freepers violently disagree with. I suggest you go back and read my post more carefully before saying that I am a infiltrator.
I will continue to post what I think and believe about our candidates and fully ignore what you prefer to hear or not hear.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)upaloopa
(11,417 posts)can help at this point. The only play Bernie folks have left is to bash Hillary and the clock is running out on that too.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)See post #38.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)This election is about The Establishment vs The Anti-Establishment... It is as simple as that.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)some DUers never let truth get in the way of a good scandal.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Persondem
(1,936 posts)release will be right before the Iowa caucus. If such a thing were happening to Sanders the howling would already have begun.
K & R