H.A. Goodman is a deluded clown and he doesn't represent most Sanders supporters

[cali]

Deliberately trying to conflate him with supporters is loathsome bullshit.

It's as ugly as trying to conflate Hillary supporters with the columns by Froma Harrup, a pro-Hillary deluded clown who calls Bernie a racist because some Clinton supporters posted her noxious crap in support of Hillary.

That said, it should be obvious by now, to even the most fervent Sanders supporter that Goodman is full of shit. He is an embarrassment and I wish my fellow Sanders supporters wouldn't post his crap.

[Renew Deal]

1. Sanders supporters have defended him relentlessly on DU recently.

So I'm not buying it

[cali]

4. Ok, then I don't buy that Hillary supporters here didn't push that Bernie is a racist.

[Renew Deal]

23. I did a search for the number of times HA Goodman URL's come up on DU. Result: 677 Results

That includes "Message Removed"

And some examples:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251495657
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251959649
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251605672
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128069092
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251728212
215 Recs: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251932647
12 Minutes ago: http://www.democraticunderground.com/128091785

And it doesn't include results like this:

[boston bean]

2. Well, maybe people should stop posting his crapola and stating they agree with it.

He's only been posted, copied, linked to here many many times, with people oohing and aawwing over his screeds against Hillary Clinton.

[underthematrix]

77. Goodman seems like a nice guy but apparently unread which

makes him say really stupid stuff.

[farleftlib]

3. It's a shame that it's even necessary to say this

but thanks for saying it. It's getting to where one needs hip-waders to get around the loathsome bullshit that gets posted here.

[MineralMan]

5. Thank you for rising up and condemning

the posting of H.A.G. articles on DU by your fellow Sanders supporters. Such posts do harm to their candidate's chances, I believe. And yet, his mewlings are posted here daily almost. It makes one wonder whether those who post them are truly supporters or, perhaps, people with other motivations.

[cali]

7. I'd love to see you condemn the crap posted by your fellow Hillary supporters

calling Sanders a racist. Quite a bit of that. Perhaps I missed your criticism of it.

[MineralMan]

10. I clearly posted that Bernie Sanders was not a racist several

times here. His support for civil rights over the decades is well known. You will not find me referring to him as a racist. Anyone who calls him one is simply wrong, and I have said that as well.

[MineralMan]

12. Here are some links, cali,

where I clearly state that Sanders is not a racist:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251744349#post1
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=753482
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026737441#post247

[Hortensis]

64. They know. Classic projection of their sins onto

opponents. "It's not US -- it's THEM!"

As for some of Bernie's DU supporters damaging his reputation by eagerly mining slimy sources for absolutely any garbage they imagine is pro-Bernie/anti-Hillary, what's new?

IF I wanted to work to get Bernie elected, I'd separate myself from these people as much as possible. I'd only post good things about him and his policies, and only discuss him and his policies with sensible supporters -- when I wasn't out passing around fliers I'd printed out with the same messages.

[underthematrix]

78. Sanders isn't a racist. And I wish people who are calling him a

racist would just stop already.

A lot of AAs are turned off by Sander's criticism of President Obama. Hey I used to love Bernie's appearances on MSNBC until he started shitting on my President, the current leader of the DEMOCRATIC Party. Then in 2012, he wanted to primary my beloved President. Just like Sanders' supporters go on and on about HRC's Iraq vote, I cannot support a primary candidate who wanted to primary my beloved President, the greatest President, EVAR!

[freedom fighter jh]

24. You never know.

This election thing may be full of double agents on both sides.

[Douglas Carpenter]

28. if a person is not familiar with his over all writings and reads certain

articles of his where he is not too far out - one could miss where he is coming from. He is not a household name after all. Most people would have never heard of him - at least until recently.

If one did not know who Pat Buchanan was and was not familiar with his over all history - a few of his articles would have sounded just fine to most progressives. But he is a very well known figure who is almost a household name. I can't even find a bio on H.A. Goodman on Wikipedia.

[MineralMan]

29. I don't think there's a bio on him anywhere.

Perhaps that is not his real name. That's always a possibility. He's very popular with some, though, it seems. Confirmation bias is a strong force in politics.

[Douglas Carpenter]

37. only Huffington Post and it is very limited - is all I could find

H. A. Goodman is an author and journalist who studied International Relations at USC and worked for a brief stint at the U.S. Department of State's Foreign Service Institute. He's been published in Salon.com, the Jerusalem Post, Chicago Tribune, The Hill's Congress Blog, the Roanoke Times, and various other publications throughout the country. Goodman is also the author of Breaking the Devil's Heart and Logic of Demons, a widely acclaimed series of existential fantasy novels.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/

[comradebillyboy]

59. HA Goodman, a pseudonym for Dick Morris

that dirty old toe sucking dog.

[MineralMan]

60. I don't think so. H. A. Goodman is also a novelist,

with a couple of books under his belt. I haven't read either of them, since he writes in a genre that doesn't interest me. After the election, perhaps he'll return to fictionalizing again, although he's doing a pretty good job of it during the campaign, too.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

6. I read one of Goodman's pieces, thought he was seriously weird

and haven't paid him any attention since. Every candidate has some fringe-y supporters and no campaign should be judged by a few loons who get too much attention. That goes for DU as well. I had to laugh when one DUer made a BFD out of switching his support from Bernie to Hillary because some Bernie people on DU were rude. Seriously? There are going to be a few oddballs, weirdos and jerks "supporting" all candidates. Some might be trolls; some might just be oddballs, weirdos or jerks. I would hope most people are capable of thinking for themselves but sometimes it doesn't seem that way.

[NastyRiffraff]

8. He is seriously weird

I just wish people would remember that DU, or any web forum, commenting section, etc. is not the country. Most people in America never ever post on the web. But they do vote.

[Hortensis]

66. I agree. It's important not to confuse Bernie

with the peculiarities of a certain group that's gathered together at DU under his name. One should always examine those a candidate's messages are appealing to, and why, of course, but in this case I really don't think this little mob's extreme dishonest and dysfunctional zealotry reflect Bernie's.

Yes, Bernie's something of an anti-establishment zealot himself, undoubtedly what attracted these people to him. But one only has to examine his solid Democrat voting record over 25 years to confirm that Bernie himself is able to keep at least one foot and half of the other in touch with...the context he has to work within. He's not nearly the barn-burning iconoclast they want him to be.

[Depaysement]

11. Never much believed in guilt by association myself

What's next? Bernie is a pervert and Hillary killed Vince Foster? Oh,wait, we had those memes already . . .

[msrizzo]

13. Honestly, I don't know too much about him.

I read a couple of his articles and I thought he was over the top, but I'll take your word that he is a deluded clown and make sure to skip his stuff altogether in the future. And I know enough Sanders supporters in real life that I would never conflate him with Sanders supporters overall. But thanks for posting this.

[Scuba]

14. No, no, cali. Bernie is exactly like any person who says something nice about him, but only ...

... if that person is otherwise an asshat.

[Douglas Carpenter]

15. knr

[Luminous Animal]

16. Agreed.

[sufrommich]

17. He gets recs here in the hundreds. Every single time.nt

[DCBob]

72. That would probably account for the majority of Sanders supporters here.

[boston bean]

18. not much support from the Bernie crowd here for this post...

But we have yet another post linking to his shit, almost right after you posting this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251965051

[workinclasszero]

19. Uh......

In 2016, Bernie Sanders Will Defeat Clinton and Dominate Trump to Become President

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/in-2016-bernie-sanders-defeat-clinton-trump_b_8902400.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592&ref=yfp

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251965051


I never heard of H A Goodman until Bernie fans blanketed DU with his libertarian HS screeds, like the one above that's on General Discussion: Primaries right now!

[George II]

20. I agree with you about Goodman, but unfortunately many Sanders followers seem to idolize him.

[workinclasszero]

21. H A Goodmans latest screed is also posted in Bernies group

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128091785

So i don't get the OP saying most Bernie supporters are against him.

[OilemFirchen]

22. Sure. Shoot the messenger.

215 recs:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251932647

[Feeling the Bern]

25. Where is he factually wrong? She didn't vote for the war? She didn't support TPP?

She doesn't have neo-cons on her advisory board?

I don't see how he is factually wrong.

[Tamyr]

30. He lied about Bill Clinton's "fairy tale" comment

Goodman pretended Bill was referring to Obama's candidacy. He wasn't.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/why-bernie-sanders-will-become-the-democratic-nominee_b_7685364.html

Goodman said Clinton "was asked about Obama's record and chances of winning the presidency."
But Clinton was asked about the Iraq war, not Obama's chances to win. Goodman makes stuff up.

[Feeling the Bern]

33. Again, did he lie about hillary's voting record?

[Tamyr]

36. Nope. He lied about about Bill Clinton's fairy tale comments

And in glad toy don't dispute it.
By the way, do you think predicting O'Malley will get more votes than Hillary in Iowa qualifies as deluded or not?

[Feeling the Bern]

45. So one lie. . .okay "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." By your standards

Bill Clinton is no better than HA Goodman.

And anyone can say anything. Hell, we would be welcomed as liberators. You can say stupid shit. But when reality hits, it proves the speaker is an idiot.

[Tamyr]

52. No. One lie that I found by doing a minute of googling

Are you pretending I read all of Goodmans columns? and by the way you ignored the question about his delusion regarding O’Malley beating Hillary in Iowa.
Answer.

[Feeling the Bern]

53. No, I did not pretend that at all

And if he think MOM will beat HRC, he needs evidence and not talking out of his ass. Then, when HRC beats MOM, we can look at HA Goodmn tell him he's stupid.

Problem solved. Remember, Dewey beat Truman.

[Tamyr]

54. How many pollsters botched the Dewey vs. Truman election?

And by what margin.
Then compare that to Clinton's lead vs. O’Malley at the time Goodman made that prediction.

[Feeling the Bern]

56. Again, one more time

if he thinks MOM will beat HRC, he needs evidence and not talking out of his ass. Then, when HRC beats MOM, we can look at HA Goodman and tell him he's stupid.

Problem solved.

[Tamyr]

58. Reminder set n/t

[GP6971]

57. That's really a stretch

comparing polls over 60 years old. Nice try.

[MrChuck]

26. Thanks

I'm all in for Bernie in the primary but I have been seeing this Goodman person here and there for months and cringing. Honestly, I hope he's right but he's just too silly.

[kristopher]

27. Your claim is bullshit.

Show me the material by Goodman that is so abhorrent that it makes his opinions and analysis unacceptable and we can talk about it. I've yet to see anything of substance against him except the fact that he wrote ONE article that embraced Paul's antiwar stance - a point any real Liberal ALSO agrees with Paul on.

[workinclasszero]

31. Hows this?

I'm a Liberal Democrat. I'm Voting for Rand Paul in 2016. Here Is Why.
H. A. Goodman

Columnist published in The Cleveland Plain Dealer, The Baltimore Sun, The Hill, Salon, The Jerusalem Post

Posted: 11/17/2014 3:31 am EST Updated: 01/17/2015 5:59 am EST
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/im-a-liberal-democrat-im_b_6169542.html

[wouldsman]

35. I think that is a thought provoking article,

and especially considering the timing of it, 2014, when Dems did not know if there would be a peace candidate available for us to support.

[Douglas Carpenter]

39. well it is hard to argue with that evidence

It is one thing to say that one happens to agree with Rand Paul on certain specific issues - it is quite another to announce that they are voting for him.

Personally, I never heard of him before. You can't even find a bio on him on Wikipedia. I suspect most people who post or rec. articles by him don't know his over all politics. At the very least, he is a bit of a flake.

[UglyGreed]

51. I myself have never heard of this

guy before reading his pro Bernie articles on Huffington Post.

[kristopher]

42. Being AntiWar Is a Strong Motivator for Liberals

However, as a supporter of Hillary's corporatist prewar agenda I can see how that kind of prioritization might cause you to be extremely confused.

Also, I asked if there was anything other than that ONE article with which to impeach Goodman's writings. I guess there isn't.

[Renew Deal]

73. Being an open supporter of a republican candidate is not enough for you?

OK.

[wouldsman]

32. Wow. Best example of ad hominem attack ever?

I looked through this diary for actual differences of opinions on Goodman's positions. Instead all I see is name calling.

Maybe there is a grownup in the group who could do something besides attack the messenger?

[kristopher]

43. Apparently the name calling is all that they have. It is pure "shoot the messenger". nt

[Thor_MN]

34. And yet he is deliberately cited again and again. He represents at least some Sanders suporters here

[workinclasszero]

38. looks like most BS supporters to me

His stealth republican garbage is all over this website.

[wouldsman]

41. I don't come to the internet for an echo chamber,

I come to hear a wide variety of views and perspectives. I read a lot of stuff without ever bothering to find out who wrote it. Up until this thread I had not known who this Goodman fella was.
But thanks to this thread I now do. And whether I agree with him a little, mostly, or totally, what I do disagree with is ad hominem attacks.
Which this entire appears to be. Start to finish.
In an earlier post someone suggested that because this Goodman lied about something a Clinton said he should be completely disregarded. How about we completely disregard the Clintons knowing that they have lied about things? That doesn't really make sense now does it?

[Thor_MN]

67. An echo chamber is precisely what I see from Sanders supporters..

Bouncy cheers for being a distant second in polls, cherry picked stats.

My point is not judge Goodman's content, but to point out that there is enthusiastic support here by at least some Sanders supporters, despite the OP's claim.

I fail to see your "entire appears to be. Start to finish.". The criticisms that I see of Goodman have appeared to be based on the content of what he is publishing, not ad hominem attacks. I will admit that I have not read all that much of what he has published...

[Cali_Democrat]

40. HA Goodman is the quintessential Sanders supporter.

His articles get a lot of recs on DU.

He's your guy.

[cali]

68. And racist piece of crap Froma Harrup represents Clinton supporters perfectly.

See how that shit works?

[Cali_Democrat]

75. HA Goodman's articles are posted on the front page of GDP almost daily

by Sanders supporters.

The same cannot be said for Froma Harrup's articles.

Pay attention and you might learn something.

[onenote]

44. I've always wondered if H.A. Goodman wasn't a pseudonym for Dick Morris.

His stuff and Morris' sound alike to me.

[artislife]

46. He gets his headlines on the front page of Huffington Post promoting Bernie to win

That is great by me.

Many people just scan the front page and inside their psyche they are letting in the idea that Bernie is electable. How many actually read the blog is another matter.

But it is a drip drip drip in the background and soon the idea of electing Bernie is not so far fetched.


It pisses off the h supporters and that is icing on the cake.

[PADemD]

47. Froma Harrop: An apology to Bernie Sanders

Hardly a week goes by without some demand for an apology populating my inbox. I have never apologized for two reasons: The usual one is that I'm not sorry. The other is that calls for an apology have become an irritating tactic in American political discourse, a kind of bullying.

That doesn't mean I haven't regretted things I've said or the tone used. I have. So here's a compromise: I will issue one apology a year.

And the winner for 2015 is ... Bernie Sanders.

Why Bernie? Some liberal friends complain that I've been overly dismissive of the senator from Vermont's candidacy. They have cause.

http://www.cdispatch.com/opinions/article.asp?aid=47235

[brooklynite]

48. ...but apparently he represents enough...

...since his every word is frequently cited here.

[MohRokTah]

49. H.A. GOODMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DRINK!!!!!!!!!!!

[DinahMoeHum]

50. HAG has been FOS since I first heard of him on Salon Magazine

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(and BTW, I'm a Bernie supporter)

He's the quintessential crybaby and self-righteous asshole who threatens to take his vote and stay home if Sanders does not win the nomination.

I challenged him on Salon back in mid-November with the notion that since Bernie Sanders himself has said that he would support Hillary in the general election if he didn't get the nomination, he should follow suit if he truly supported Sanders.

His response? He has since doubled down (no, wait, QUADRUPLED DOWN) on his previous stance.

http://www.salon.com/writer/h_a_goodman/

[m-lekktor]

55. yep, as a Bernie supporter I don't pay much attention to him, he is a bit over the top!

As far as equivalent nutbag Hillary partisan commentators I would add Amanda Marcotte along with Froma Harrup!

[Sheepshank]

61. Interesting the distance you are attempting to create

While Sanders supporters go out of their way to paint Hillary supporters as anti semetic, corporatist, RW rag ( Stormfront) loving idiots.

Not sure why you are suddenly all about the fairness issues?

[JI7]

62. there are some "sanders supporters" who are not real supporters

They are more conspiracy tin foil hat types.

[riversedge]

63. Then his supporters should stop posting the 'deluded clown"

[ucrdem]

65. It's obvious to you now, but it's been obvious to some of us all along.

I'm guessing you're responding to this gem before the OP was removed:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251964796

I didn't see it, but I checked the Google cache and it is indeed vile, the sort of thing the VRWC has been cranking out for two decades. Here's the OP's tweet, in case anyone wants to lose their New Year's breakfast:

https://twitter.com/HAGOODMANAUTHOR/status/682600879200047110

Which is a link to this Drudge-inspired Salon article:

http://www.salon.com/2015/07/28/camille_paglia_how_bill_clinton_is_like_bill_cosby/

So "H.A. Goodman" is a branch of the VRWC? And spreads their vile anti-Clinton propganda? Who could have EVER predicted that?

[cali]

69. Bzzzt. fail.

[NCTraveler]

70. Yup. Nt

[Agschmid]

71. Thanks Cali.

[NCTraveler]

74. Truth nt

[Bluenorthwest]

76. I've only seen his materials here, and he was Rand Paul favorable so I don't find him reasonable

Rand is just some needful Republican and not in fact anything other than that. Plus, I am not a Huffington Post fan and that seems to be his regular haunt. That's not the best thing either.

[WillyT]

79. Maybe... I Could See That... But Here's The Thing...

If people actually go to his posts, he provides hyper-links to prove everything he says.

His conclusions may be questionable, but his research is not.

[blm]

80. I have seen plenty of posers here on DU who parrot Goodman and other RWers

and I am so glad to see this post from you here. Both camps are furthering messages from obvious trolls, imo. Heated rhetoric from both camps provides a smokescreen for the operatives trolling here.

I have been saying for months now that the older DUers who have seen this type of trolling here since our first prez primary in 2003-4 cycle, need to put the brakes on this tactic being used here, yet again.

PS: Come back. ; )