So when will O'Malley bow out?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

So will O'Malley wait until Iowa and NH? Is he waiting for Hillary to stall so that voters will run his way? What is his reason to stay in the race? I know him and like him as a person but I think the writing is on the wall.

[Le Taz Hot]

1. As soon as Hillary tells him to.

[elleng]

2. Baloney.

[rjsquirrel]

4. Ah the conspiracy

Everyone is with you or against you. It's a revolution I tell you! A revolution!

[Le Taz Hot]

36. Relax, Ace.

It was a joke.

[rjsquirrel]

39. Around here

who can tell anymore?

There are people on DU who literally believe O'Malley is a Clinton stalking horse running for her VP.

I find him phony as hell, really over-rehearsed, and I'm not impressed by his record as Maryland governor, which is all he has. All on his own he doesn't do it for me or 97% of other primary voters.

[CorporatistNation]

10. Agreed! MOM Is An "Engineered Buffer" Allowing Hillary To Keep Distance Between Herself & Bernie

Marty prevents the 1 on 1 between her and Bernie that would be the death knell for HillBill.

In the event Bernie falters then Marty will bail as planned. Bernie ain't faltering though.

The longer the race goes on and Marty has zero support, the more ludicrous his candidacy becomes and the more my contention voiced here and elsewhere rings undeniably TRUE!

[elleng]

12. Do you stay up nights dreaming up this 'engineered buffer'???

[yeoman6987]

13. You are correct

If MOM does not leave the race after Super Tuesday, there will be many calls for him to do so.

[rjsquirrel]

40. Lol whut?

He's doing a heck of a job at 3% in the polls. Some engineer huh?

See, there are people who believe this cr@pola.

[rjsquirrel]

41. Also "HilBill"?

What is that, RedState lingo?

This is why I find Bernie supporters so obtuse, and I used to be one. That is outright misogyny of the sort we are used to seeing from the far right, not so-called "progressive" sexists. Bill Clinton is not on the ballot.


Every day here I am getting more sure HRC should have this in the bag. HilBill is probably also supposed to be a classist smear right? Add a "y" and you're a bigot as well as a sexist.

Hideous. As the father of a daughter the casual misogyny of the ideological purist Sanders crowd here makes me ever more comfortable supporting Clinton. Yeah she's an oligarch. Her opponents are sexists and bigots, on the right AND to her left. That's worse.

[elleng]

3. He has plans up to, and maybe after Iowa.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

5. Thanks

[CorporatistNation]

11. Also Hang'in Out For A possible VP Slot! Marty Has Dreamt of Being POTUS... Just like Hillary

since he was a teenager! Do we really need these sort of self centered folks to be running for office? It seems that such blind ambition is not particularly the right reason to be running. Supposed to be about ... "Public Service" is it not?

[elleng]

14. Do we really need corporatists dreaming of engineered 'buffers'???

Martin O'Malley has been a public servant for his entire career.

[1StrongBlackMan]

26. Sad. Isn't it? eom.

[elleng]

27. Sure is, Man.

[restorefreedom]

6. i just could not help but think of this clip

sheldon "when do you evacuate your bowels?"
leonard"when i need to"

so i guess oM will bow out when he needs or wants to

enjoy!

https://m.

[MohRokTah]

7. HE should have immediately after his campaign screwed up so badly with Ohio.

I suspect he'll wait until after New Hampshire, though. That was probably always the plan.

[delrem]

8. To date, he's provided good reasoning to the Democratic primaries.

His input has been welcomed by me, that's for certain.
I like the man. He would make a damn fine president.
Why would any Dem want him to bow out before the voting even starts?

[elleng]

9. Thanks, delrem,

I'm with you. Why WOULD any Dem want him to bow out before the voting even starts?

[delrem]

15. Issue after issue, he's solid.

No comparison to HRC. None.
With HRC one has to deal with endless lies, endless wars, and a money trail from hell. One has to deal with an acolyte of Henry Kissinger, one of the 20th centuries most evil war criminals. The discussion isn't even sane. HRC scares me like no other politician just because it's so blatant that, if Dems do choose to go that route, it will not be redeemable.

So I don't even compare O'Malley with HRC.

I think he stands well in a run up against Sanders. I'm dismayed that the big money, the big power establishment machine that goes with glitz, with Hillary and Trump and Cruz and an insane drive to ramp up war, to ramp up war profiteering, to ramp up crazy talk, has so much power over the USA. All of them including Hillary want to walk back even the small steps that Obama has made toward a more reasonable order.

It's pretty damn sad.

[elleng]

16. I am dismayed too,

and posts such as yours provide a 'life boat' of sanity for me.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

17. 'want'

no one 'wants' him to. I think he has contributed to the discussion very well but the writing is on the wall.

[elleng]

18. Lots appear to 'want' him to,

for no discernible reason imo except to say 'nya nya nya nya nya.'

[Rosa Luxemburg]

23. I think it is important to have more voices in the Democratic race

however not as many voices as the GOP Hunger Games.

[elleng]

24. I agree,

and wish the media (especially debate 'conductors') would ALLOW his voice to be heard.

[MuseRider]

30. Agreed.

I never thought it was a bad thing to encourage a primary to Obama, not because I did not think he was doing well or because I did not like him but because debate is always a good thing to sort out issues in a group of people. It was pretty certain he would prevail if challenged. I don't know, I just like hearing all kinds of ideas and choosing the best path to move forward.

[1StrongBlackMan]

28. No ... Those wanting M O'Malley to drop out are doing so because they believe his doing so ...

will bump up their candidate's primary numbers. Plain and simple. It has nothing to do with the race or G/E viability.

[delrem]

35. That's like - so evasively passive/aggressive negative.

I don't associate that kind of negativity with O'Malley.

I like O'Malley's voice as such - as his voice.
He has a lot fine experience to back it.

[1StrongBlackMan]

42. Okay ... I disagree with your characterization of my observation; but, I agree ...

He has a lot fine experience to back up his words. That's why I support him.

[delrem]

48. Good, and that's the way I characterize it.

It doesn't at all infer from thin air some motivation on the part of imaginary "supporters" of "candidates" - and it doesn't cast stones.

[delrem]

34. Yah, well, OK - it's your OP, Rosa.

Say what you "want".

[Peacetrain]

19. I hope he stays in as long as he can possibly afford it

We need his voice and his vision.. He has had actual propositions and not just talk.. hang in there Gov O'Malley.. hang in there

[elleng]

22. I agree.

Wish I could afford to contribute more, to keep his voice and vision out there.

[Renew Deal]

20. Does he have any campaign operation in NV and SC?

[elleng]

21. Yes, both.

[Douglas Carpenter]

25. O'Malley called critics of his policy "ideologues on the left."

O'Malley still believes that 100,000 arrests in a city of 600,000 is a great ide.


BALTIMORE —Baltimore Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake said Wednesday she will not combat crime by returning to the days of so-called mass arrests of minor offenses.

In an opinion-editorial piece published Wednesday in The Baltimore Sun, Gov. Martin O'Malley stepped up his campaign to get the city to go back to what he did when he was mayor: have a policing policy that led to more than 100,000 arrests per year -- many for minor offenses.

The mayor and governor are widely seen as friends, but they are not on the same page on this issue and the continuing debate, the mayor said, is causing many communities to worry.

"Homicides are going up for the second year in a row, and shootings are up year to date. Why? I believe it has to do with the fact that enforcement levels have fallen to a 13-year low," the governor wrote.

O'Malley called critics of his policy "ideologues on the left." . . .

"Honest minds can differ, but this honest mind is also fact-dependent, and the data show that more arrests didn't lead to a safer city," Rawlings-Blake countered Wednesday.

The mayor's office produced a chart showing a steady decline in violent crime since 2006 -- the year O'Malley left City Hall -- and arrests reached their peak. It was to counter a chart produced by the governor to argue otherwise.

In some communities, the tactic was known as "the bad old days" when so many people got locked up that the line at Central Booking was long.


More: http://www.wbaltv.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/mayor-vows-not-to-return-to-days-of-mass-arrests-in-baltimore/22118078

[elleng]

29. Sep 26, 2013

Thanks so much for this 'timely' story.

[TM99]

37. So no refutation of the facts I see.

[Douglas Carpenter]

38. so, not doubt - O'Malley converted from being a right-wing Democrat to being

a progressive in the last 15 months?

[bigtree]

44. sure, all of those progressive accomplishments in my state were just cover

...all of the fights he waged for those initiatives (and everything related) were just a clever ruse.

Brilliant.

[elleng]

47. Your dismal ignorance of his record of accomplishments is waving it's flag.

Briefly:

Martin O'Malley:

1. Ended death penalty in Maryland
2. Prevented fracking in Maryland and put regulations in the way to prevent next GOP Gov Hogan fom easily allowing fracking.
3. Provided health insurance for 380,000
4. Reduced infant mortality to an all time low.
5. Provided meals to thousands of hungry children and moved toward a goal for eradicating childhood hunger.
6. Enacted a $10.10 living wage and a $11. minimum wage for State workers.
7. Supporter the Dream Act
8. Cut income taxes for 86% of Marylanders (raised taxes on the rich).
9. Reformed Maryland’s tax code to make it more progressive.
10. Enacted some of the nation’s most comprehensive reforms to protect homeowners from foreclosure.

Mother Jones magazine called him the best candidate on environmental issues.
Article here:
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/12/martin-omalley-longshot-presidential-candidate-and-real-climate-hawk

He was Maryland governor for 2 8 year terms, for your information.

[delrem]

49. My "leftist" views can differ from his regarding what is best on this issue,

without my necessarily calling him a "right wing Democrat", in this age where Hillary Rodham Clinton defines what it means to be a "right wing Democrat". The differences are considerable.

A person's views can sometimes change when their noses are pushed into it, as like I hope that the Black Lives Matter movement changes some views - and that the discussion continues to gain support. I really do. Have hope, that is. So I can imagine that the arguments that have been put forward by e.g. advocates for BLM but also by other voices, might change O'Malley's view. He doesn't strike me as being an asshole who can't learn.

I don't trust Hillary Clinton's ever changing views because they're all so obviously geared toward electioneering. They seem to have no real basis.

IMO a person's views can't change so easily, or mindlessly. To begin with a person in their late 50's and after a life geared toward politicking, asserts in a *sermon* before a *religious congregation* that a law is sacred, holy, in a deeply religious sense, as Hillary Rodham Clinton sermonized with an air of deep ernest, of deepest gravitas, before a religious congregation. The politician also asserts as being truth god-given in nature that the law in question is built into the physical and biological ground of all being, of all societies of human through the ages. This is a grown woman, in her late fifties. Then, as though off the cuff, in a change of mind explained as "evolving", the politician denies that thought entirely. Repudiates it and asserts the contradiction of it. But doesn't exactly explain the chain of reasoning - except that it was an "evolution". That ain't real.

[bigtree]

45. non story

...it's a hatchet job which takes his quote out of context.

I don't have any need to argue about how he feels about liberals. He's an accomplished progressive - the only Democratic candidate from outside of D.C. running who's done more than merely holler and chatter about progressive issues.

Must suck to have a candidate who's been part and parcel of that dithering, do-nothing institution in Washington for decades. I guess any old phoney story will do as a distraction from that sorry association.

[saltpoint]

31. I hope he remains in the race.

Right now three Democrats stand on our debate stage. They talk in issues, about policy impact on life in U.S. America. They are overwhelmingly fact-based in doing so.

Here, insert your own favorite comparison to the GOP debate stage. Maybe include something about how all the Republican hopefuls are playing to the lowest common denominator in the populace, using divisive language pitting one group of citizens against another, and often veering into petty verbal slapfests that would embarrass a middle schooler.

[elleng]

32. Thanks.

So do I.

[CoffeeCat]

33. I like O'Malley but he most likely won't get one delegate in Iowa

I have no problem with MOM staying in the race. I like him.

However, when you look at the Iowa dynamics, it is highly likely that he will not secure even one delegate.

Iowa has roughly 1,700 precincts. On caucus night, each precinct has its own caucus. To achieve viability, a candidate must have 15 percent of the room. If you don't reach that threshold, the candidate is declared "not viable." Supporters caucusing for a "non viable" candidate must sit out the race or go to another candidate camp.

MOM is polling at around 6 percent. It is highly unlikely that he'll have 15 percent at any precinct. It's possible. He could have pockets of support in certain areas that would give him a delegate or two. But that's a best-case scenario.

It is what it is.

Still trying to figure out where his supporters would go.

[NurseJackie]

43. After Super Tuesday.

[bigtree]

46. he waiting to see if he can break through in Iowa, obviously

...having invested more time there than his rivals and having run an exhaustive retail campaign there, he'll wait to see if that translates into a caucus result which will get him notice and media visibility to propel him into the rest of the contests. He's on the ballot in 18 states as of this date.