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MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
Sat Jan 2, 2016, 02:34 PM Jan 2016

Making Peace: A Means to an End

By this stage of the primary campaign, pretty much all active DUers have decided who they support for the Democratic nomination for President. That's not surprising, really. We all are politically aware and have strong feelings about political issues. What remains now is for the caucuses and primaries to proceed and give us an answer as to who will win the nomination. We can campaign locally, of course, donate to our choice of candidates, etc., but it won't be DUers who determine the results. If it were, Bernie Sanders would win in all 50 primary states, and it's clear that's not going to be the outcome.

Only two candidates have any chance of becoming the nominee. It will be either Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders who goes on to appear on the general election ballot. From my point of view, either one would serve well as President and either one is so far superior to any of the Republican candidates that I will be enthusiastically supporting and campaigning for either one following the Democratic Nominating Convention. That's really a no-brainer for any lifelong Democrat, I think.

Here on DU, the battle is pitched at a high level of conflict, though. I suppose that isn't surprising, but I'm not sure it's all that productive at this stage of the election year, really. Our influence on voters, nationally, is minuscule really. Individually, we might have some influence in the local area where we live, but even there, not so much. The caucuses and primaries will occur, and the votes will be counted. Delegates to the convention will be selected proportionally as each state and congressional district votes.

I'd like to sue for peace here on DU. Possibly as early as March 2, the eventual nominee will probably be known, based on delegate counts and projections based on polling in states that will vote later. Perhaps we could begin planning for how we will support the nominee once the convention happens, whoever it is. Perhaps we could begin to find ways to help win the White House, win a majority in the Senate, pick up some seats in the House and flip a few state legislatures in November. That seems to me to be a worthy goal.

The two viable candidates for the nomination are both well known. I'll be pleased to support either of them. They differ in details of policy and plans, but both will help move the country in a progressive direction. How far they can move it will depend on other factors, particularly on the makeup of Congress. Either would do the very best job they could, and there's much that needs to be done. Neither, however, can do anything unless one is actually elected and how much they can do depends on Congress.

Let's make peace toward cooperating with the general election in mind. Let's vote in the primaries or caucuses as we prefer, but let's also begin looking toward the general election, starting now. Let's discover how we can help with GOTV efforts where we live. Lets find ways to help Democratic legislative candidates prevail. Let's find ways to defeat as many Republicans as possible. We will get the nominee who manages to win enough delegates. Whoever that is will be a fine choice as President, especially compared to the alternative.

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Making Peace: A Means to an End (Original Post) MineralMan Jan 2016 OP
No thanks. Making peace while in 2nd place is a fool's errand and plays into Hillary's favor JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #1
Well, if your choice of candidates wins, MineralMan Jan 2016 #2
Sounds good to me! I'll also be voting in November. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #4
That's what I'm suggesting. MineralMan Jan 2016 #6
Sure ismnotwasm Jan 2016 #3
Today, I saw another long-time, prolific DUer get MineralMan Jan 2016 #5
From my own experience, I look inward lovemydog Jan 2016 #7
I hope your new year is also productive and positive. MineralMan Jan 2016 #8
There are unrecognized struggles going on. mmonk Jan 2016 #9
I'm not sure they're unrecognized. MineralMan Jan 2016 #12
As a Clinton supporter, shouldn't you want to institute a no fly zone? Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #10
I'm not Hillary Clinton. MineralMan Jan 2016 #15
But you support her. Don't you agree with her approach to conflicts? n/t Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #16
Oh you are just so magnaminous cali Jan 2016 #11
Am I? MineralMan Jan 2016 #13
Snicker.... Punkingal Jan 2016 #14
I think your OP is designed to help your preferred candidate and not mine. aikoaiko Jan 2016 #17

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
1. No thanks. Making peace while in 2nd place is a fool's errand and plays into Hillary's favor
Sat Jan 2, 2016, 02:40 PM
Jan 2016

I do appreciate what you are saying, but the battle must go on, if for no other reason than to make clear that there are clear, substantial, and ultimately meaningful differences between the candidates.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
2. Well, if your choice of candidates wins,
Sat Jan 2, 2016, 02:42 PM
Jan 2016

I'll be there to help going forward to the general election. How's that?

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
5. Today, I saw another long-time, prolific DUer get
Sat Jan 2, 2016, 02:48 PM
Jan 2016

a time-out for having 5 hidden posts. Another voice that won't be heard here for a while. Who it is doesn't matter, really, nor does which candidate that DUer supports. What matters is that the dispute between supporters of both candidates is leading to harsh words and hidden posts. I can't imagine that helps in any way.

It's sad for me to see any prolific poster on DU get a time-out or, worse, a PPR. It doesn't matter whether or not I agree with that poster. I simply hate to see discussions derailed by over-the-top rhetoric.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
7. From my own experience, I look inward
Sat Jan 2, 2016, 02:56 PM
Jan 2016

for ways to make each experience at DU a pleasure. I try and leave each time on a positive note. Sometimes it's something funny or pleasurable. Sometimes it's something worthwhile to contemplate, like your post.

Happy new year to you.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
8. I hope your new year is also productive and positive.
Sat Jan 2, 2016, 02:58 PM
Jan 2016

I wish everyone well, really. Except maybe Donald Trump and Ted Cruz. I just cant, in their cases, somehow.

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
9. There are unrecognized struggles going on.
Sat Jan 2, 2016, 03:45 PM
Jan 2016

It's just not blue vs red anymore, especially since the New Deal thinking or Great Society thinking has been rejected at the top.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
12. I'm not sure they're unrecognized.
Sat Jan 2, 2016, 03:50 PM
Jan 2016

I am sure, though, that there will be an election in November and that we will have a President and Congress in 2017. That means that this election still matters very much in how this country operates and how we live.

Failing to recognize that might well lead to consequences none of us will enjoy one bit.

Things could move backwards very, very quickly if we do not make sure they do not.

I'm a realist in my daily life, despite being an idealist internally. Frankly, I live in a real world, whether I like that world or not. It's worth thinking about.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
10. As a Clinton supporter, shouldn't you want to institute a no fly zone?
Sat Jan 2, 2016, 03:47 PM
Jan 2016

Sue For Peace?!?!?

When has Hillary ever done that?????



MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
13. Am I?
Sat Jan 2, 2016, 03:52 PM
Jan 2016

I'm a pragmatist, cali. I live in a real world that affects my life in many ways. I don't have the luxury to ignore it. Not at all.

I can't imagine that there will be a revolutionary change in 2016. It truly doesn't appear on any horizon within my vision.

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
17. I think your OP is designed to help your preferred candidate and not mine.
Sat Jan 2, 2016, 05:06 PM
Jan 2016


If we really are irrelevant to the larger electorate then why is it important for us to have a kumbuya moment?

Yes, "peace" is a means to end for you.

I'm not ready to make nice yet.
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