2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHuffington Post - 14 Percent of Democrats Will Not Support Hillary Clinton.
14 Percent of Democrats Will Not Support Hillary Clinton. Only Bernie Sanders Prevents Low Voter Turnout
"Most importantly, CBS News explains in a piece ironically titled Poll: Hillary Clinton still leads Democratic race, that among Democrats, "Fourteen percent would not support her in a general election" and "under half" would enthusiastically support Clinton:"
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)saltpoint
(50,986 posts)I prefer Bernie Sanders. For the general election, I vote blue.
After considering the sort of Cabinet and court appointments a Ted Cruz or other Republican will be making if the GOP wins, I urge the 14 percent aforementioned to remove their heads from where their heads are currently located and reconsider their voting strategy.
3catwoman3
(23,965 posts)...and damn right!
Marty McGraw
(1,024 posts)The amount of right-wing judges that are in from prior pres. selection and any new appointments from this administration that are continuously blocked (as well as other non-judicial appointees) is killing any sense of justice and democracy in this country. We have to hold on just a little longer.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)That's about 150 million more than that 14% of Democrats.
Paka
(2,760 posts)about 90% won't vote for a Democrat, whether real or perceived socialist. My RW religious mother who taught Sunday School for about 50 years wouldn't vote for Jesus if he ran as a Democrat. I know, because we had that discussion before she died.
brentspeak
(18,290 posts)dlwickham
(3,316 posts)if they don't support the party nominee
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)The choir agrees with you, but those 14% are just as much Democrats as you are. The party should be smart enough to realize how to win this election...and it is not with Clinton.
Stupidity knows no party affiliation, and those 14% are Democrats and they represent a serious problem with Clinton as the nominee.
hedda_foil
(16,371 posts)Virtually every Democrat at the start of the primary races in both 2008 and 2016 was okay with voting for her. She should, after all, have been unstoppable, and she's certainly qualified on paper. It's the tone of the campaign that is off-putting and alienating ... the tone of snobbery, inevitability, disdain and put downs. Th.e first time I figured it was her nasty and mean spirited campaign managers and"advisors" who were not serving her well. This time around with a whole new team running the same campaign, the only constant is the candidate.
It's not even about Bernie that so many are so turned off. It's about Hillary and company.
jfern
(5,204 posts)It's all about divide an conquer for her. Well a lot of primary voters don't like being divided and conquered.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)"Inevitable" though she and her Corporatist Oligarchy Billionaires and the in the tank MS Mediawant US to think she is... shoving her DOWN OUR COLLECTIVE THROATS is NOT working!
The fact is SHE is OWNED by Wall Street and no matter what she says her actions, in toto over the now decades speak louder than ANY excuse she can provide.
The socialist TAG on Bernie is slowly fading away and is now relegated to a Red Herring.
Bernie is giving a speech on his plan to reign in Wall Street today... Quite the opposite of the handmaiden to Goldman Sachs who presently is reportedly one of the least trusted people in America.
Winning ugly is not the ticket for rallying the troops so to speak. Inevitable is by the way... NOTHING is OVER or "inevitable" until the votes are counted.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Great slogan bro. Will you win the GE with that one? Because I doubt you can win Iowa with it.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)If bernie loses the primary, we vote the D ticket in the general election, even if we have to crown Little Ms. Corporate. Of course that's what we should do, and what I will do.
But just like there are some Clinton yahoos who don't understand why a vote for Bernie in the primary has the best return, there are also those Sanders nimrods who will stay at home because Clinton is a divisive figure.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)On the betting sites Bernies prospects are very bleak
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Proserpina
(2,352 posts)Those who have been dragged off into the bushes and assaulted for voicing an opinion are less likely to be forthcoming.
They call it a Secret Ballot for a reason. A very good reason.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)oasis
(49,365 posts)They had better wake up and smell the coffee.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)haikugal
(6,476 posts)You've been doing it for years, decades. It's false but it will be done anyway.
The beatings will continue.
oasis
(49,365 posts)and thereby, become a part of history.
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)About 10% of Democrats voted for McCain (same percentage as for Bush). Right now we're in primary mode and some Democrats will say they won't vote for Hillary, but some will come around by November. In reality I suspect the percentage of "Democrats" who won't vote for Hillary will end up being roughly the same as the percentage that did not vote for Obama or Kerry.
Bernie's numbers will probably be about the same.
Nitram
(22,776 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)She is a polarizing character. She is a poor version of a republican and a democrat.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)But will end up pulling the lever for the Democratic nominee regardless of their dumbshit responses in January.
There. Fixed it for you.
zalinda
(5,621 posts)some are quite soft Democrats, and may or may not show up to vote. Then there are those who want to vote FOR some one not against the Republicans. There are a ton of dems who have been waiting for some one like Bernie for most of their lives and will not let go easily. And don't forget those who signed up as dems just because of Bernie, and don't want any one else.
The Democratic party will be the big loser if Bernie is not the GE candidate. The people who signed up to vote and volunteer did so because of Bernie, most will not be converted over to Hillary. If they had been interested in her, they would have supported her in the first place.
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MisterP
(23,730 posts)or a turd sandwich?!"
and then they launch into how everyone hates bread and that it's whole grain and that if the campaign somehow fails to attract brainless enthusiasm it's the voters' fault and you wouldn't want me calling your mother, WOULD you Billy?
SandersDem
(592 posts)scares the shit out of me. I do not want Trump in the White House. I don't want Hillary either. In my red State, my blue vote is marginalized.
PyaarRevolution
(814 posts)I believe Bernie can make Kansas a Swing state and Hillary has no chance. Obviously, I also couple in the fact that for some, not just Democrats, Hillary is divisive to them in general. There's also the independents.
Bernie is a sure bet in the General Election while Hillary is not. We've seen the polls run where he's tested against Rubio and the like compared to Clinton. Regarding Clinton, the numbers are too close for comfort as far as I'm concerned.
All this being said, make sure you know where you're going for the vote, double check and triple check if you have to.
George II
(67,782 posts)pnwmom
(108,973 posts)from him seriously I can't understand.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)How dare you distort their spin with facts?
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)Hellomotto
(31 posts)In the same categories.
And how many Republicans would not support each GOPer?
#context
Hellomotto
(31 posts)There goes the thread.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)She has NO crossover appeal and her ONLY support are Yellow Dog Democrats and the .01%.
George II
(67,782 posts)Of course, no comment in that column about how many Democrats would not support Sanders. Is it 20%? 30%? More?
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Still seems pertinent, though.
George II
(67,782 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)It is a misleading error to equate opinion with fact.
George II
(67,782 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)It is a misleading error to equate opinion with fact.