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MrWendel

(1,881 posts)
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 05:43 PM Jan 2016

Bill Clinton Elegantly Massacres Donald Trump’s Credibility As A Presidential Candidate

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/01/04/bill-clinton-elegantly-massacres-donald-trumps-credibility-presidential-candidate.html



While campaigning for his wife in New Hampshire, former president Clinton never mentioned Trump by name, but he didn’t have to. With one simple slice, Clinton went after Trump’s credibility as a presidential candidate.

Clinton said, “Every presidential election, people run. And believe it or not, it’s kind of scary this year, but believe it or not, most everybody actually tries to do what they say they’re gonna do when they’re running. They are telling you what they believe. And, so you gotta take ’em seriously, but you also have to take seriously whether they have any chance of doing what they say they’re gonna do or any record of doing it.”

The strategy is simple and beautiful. Instead of mocking Donald Trump, Bill Clinton is warning America to take him seriously because the Republican frontrunner is saying what he really believes. The warning that Trump will try to do everything that he is campaigning on such as building a wall on the US southern border and banning Muslims from entering the country highlights Trump’s extremism.

The second part of Bill Clinton’s statement that voters also have to examine whether or not Trump has any chance of doing what he wants to do was a logical deconstruction of Trump’s credibility as a candidate. What Clinton was suggesting is that Donald Trump should be taken seriously, but he has no chance of accomplishing the things that he claims he wants to do if he gets elected.

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Bill Clinton Elegantly Massacres Donald Trump’s Credibility As A Presidential Candidate (Original Post) MrWendel Jan 2016 OP
Notice he wont go after Don personally, that is because they plan they hatched randys1 Jan 2016 #1
Otherwise. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #3
I'm sorry... you lost me on that one. Who are "they"? NurseJackie Jan 2016 #4
Bill Clinton and Donald Trump planned this whole thing way back when they met. randys1 Jan 2016 #7
Ahh... okay, thanks. NurseJackie Jan 2016 #8
Crazy, right? Think about it. randys1 Jan 2016 #9
Trump's poll numbers are propping him up R B Garr Jan 2016 #12
Trump has high numbers because he says out loud what the 25% of America, white racists randys1 Jan 2016 #13
Right, so those poll numbers that are propelling R B Garr Jan 2016 #14
Of course they can and are. I am too tired to explain it again randys1 Jan 2016 #16
omfg, now Clinton is fabricating Trump's poll numbers R B Garr Jan 2016 #17
Fabricating? That isn't what I am talking about randys1 Jan 2016 #18
The POLL numbers can't be part of any plan and R B Garr Jan 2016 #19
Bill and Donald met a while back and hatched this plan. randys1 Jan 2016 #20
I think what he's trying to say.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2016 #24
That's hilarious. And pathetic all at the R B Garr Jan 2016 #25
Uh, I don't actually believe it ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2016 #27
Now that's going deep into the rabbit hole! MoonRiver Jan 2016 #15
that should also apply to anyone who's spend decades in Washington bigtree Jan 2016 #2
One of the reasons I'm attracted to O'Malley. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #6
Yeah ^^^ THIS ^^^ ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #21
Guy is bigger than life and connects with people. Nt NCTraveler Jan 2016 #5
love the big dog rbrnmw Jan 2016 #10
Absolutely right. Either Trump believes the garbage that spews from his mouth or he believes Number23 Jan 2016 #11
This statement jumped out at me ... NurseJackie Jan 2016 #22
+1 ffr Jan 2016 #26
I didn't watch the video. svpadgham Jan 2016 #23

randys1

(16,286 posts)
1. Notice he wont go after Don personally, that is because they plan they hatched
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 05:53 PM
Jan 2016

to guarantee a teaparty person NOT in the WH includes that Bill cant embarrass Don, because Don has a fragile ego since he is such an asshole.

Make no mistake, this is all a plan they hatched way back when.

Has to be, otherwise


PHEW

randys1

(16,286 posts)
7. Bill Clinton and Donald Trump planned this whole thing way back when they met.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 06:36 PM
Jan 2016

Trump fears the teaparty destroying the capitalist system that allows him to be a corrupt piece of shit businessman...

randys1

(16,286 posts)
9. Crazy, right? Think about it.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 06:40 PM
Jan 2016

Think about their relationship and that Donald is not stupid.

Plus we all know he physically and mentally could not and would not do the job of president for more than 3 days before he would delegate it all to someone else.

Dont get me wrong, I want Bernie or Hillary and if this is how it has to happen, so be it.

But it kind of reminds me of "Trading Places"

the Eddie Murphy movie, in that these two rich guys are going to manipulate everybody and they probably have a side bet on it

randys1

(16,286 posts)
13. Trump has high numbers because he says out loud what the 25% of America, white racists
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 01:14 PM
Jan 2016

etc, are thinking.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
14. Right, so those poll numbers that are propelling
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 04:38 PM
Jan 2016

Trump cannot be part of a conspiracy or "plan" hatched by Bill Clinton as you were proposing.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
17. omfg, now Clinton is fabricating Trump's poll numbers
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 06:10 PM
Jan 2016

in some hatched up conspiracy??!??! That's quite a "hatched" idea, but it didn't come from Bill.

LMAO!

Actually, some of these conspiracies are downright scary. Putting all common sense aside just isn't enough for some of these......


randys1

(16,286 posts)
18. Fabricating? That isn't what I am talking about
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 06:11 PM
Jan 2016

Trump is putting on a show, he is saying what he knows the cons will love so he can get popular

He will then either get the nomination and certainly lose or will run as 3rd party, in both cases assuring Hillary the WH

It is a brilliant plan, I talked about it MONTHS before any of the pundits did, but it is now a popular conversation with people like Rachel and Lawrence and others.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
19. The POLL numbers can't be part of any plan and
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 06:46 PM
Jan 2016

that's what is propping him up. He was a Birther before and they loved that too. Only his poll numbers didn't hold up . Just saw something today that 60-something percent of the GOP still think Obama is a Muslim or wasn't born here.

Thats hilarious but scary to make the leap that Bill "hatched" this all up.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
20. Bill and Donald met a while back and hatched this plan.
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 07:20 PM
Jan 2016

Donald has no desire at all to be prez, he isnt capable of doing the job for 3 days without delegating it all out.

Contrary to what people think, the guy doesnt work, he delegates using money he made by using thugs to force people out of their homes.

But, he does love having billions of dollars in a system that is skewed to reward horrible people like him, and he doesnt want the teaparty fucking it up.

Don knows as you and I and Bill knows that the teaparty are actual morons and if they got control of the WH the entire system would go to hell.

So his plan is to either get the nomination then lose or go 3rd party, I think when they hatched it they had no idea he would do this well and get this close to the nomination.

My theory is based on just how crazy Trump is acting. AGain, yes he is a horrid puke fuck of a human being, but I dont think he really cares about keeping Muslims or Latino's out of the country, he is using that to appeal to the haters.

I could be wrong, of course, but months after I talked about it Rachel and Lawrence and others talked about it, so at least i was first.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
24. I think what he's trying to say....
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 11:39 AM
Jan 2016

.....is that Clinton figured out Trump would get a good chunk of the Republican base, maybe enough to win the nomination if the GOP just let it happen and not try to broker the convention, but nowhere close to winning a general election making him a sitting duck for Hillary.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
25. That's hilarious. And pathetic all at the
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 01:26 PM
Jan 2016

same time. .At least you admit it's ANOTHER Clinton conspiracy!

And it was obvious what he was "trying" to say, but no one could predict or control the polls especially in that wide field. This is just a lame excuse for gratuitous Clinton bashing.


ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
27. Uh, I don't actually believe it
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 09:41 PM
Jan 2016

So stow the snark towards me.

But, I don't think Bill Clinton did anything to dissuade Trump if he asked him for advice on running for President, if you believe the stories when they said there was a phone conversation about it. And why would he? I think this is gonna work out just fine.

bigtree

(85,986 posts)
2. that should also apply to anyone who's spend decades in Washington
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 05:53 PM
Jan 2016

...as part and parcel of that dithering, prevaricating, self-interested institution which is our national legislature.

"They are telling you what they believe. And, so you gotta take ’em seriously, but you also have to take seriously whether they have any chance of doing what they say they’re gonna do or any record of doing it.”


Sounds like an endorsement of Martin O'Malley.
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
6. One of the reasons I'm attracted to O'Malley.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 06:08 PM
Jan 2016

He has a record of seeing a problem and doing something. Often taking on multiple large items at one time. Not always successful, most always working toward a more just and progressive system.

It also leaves him open for scrutiny, as has been seen here on DU. I find that progressives like O'Malley, who spends his time truly trying to change society for the better, are often canibilized by the very people who claim to be the left of the party.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
11. Absolutely right. Either Trump believes the garbage that spews from his mouth or he believes
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 08:08 PM
Jan 2016

that too many Americans genuinely feel that way and he's desperately trying to appeal to them.

Either way, he should be taken seriously and denounced at every turn.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
22. This statement jumped out at me ...
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 12:12 PM
Jan 2016
... but you also have to take seriously whether they have any chance of doing what they say they’re gonna do or any record of doing it.


I thought it was very interesting. Bill Clinton is very observant and definitely knows how to use his words effectively.

svpadgham

(670 posts)
23. I didn't watch the video.
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 11:35 AM
Jan 2016

Based on the quote, don't you think this could be considered more of a dig at Bernie? Would he, realistically, be able to accomplish what he says he wants to do?

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