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cali

(114,904 posts)
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 06:13 PM Jan 2016

The cronyism and pay to play of Bill Clinton is best represented by

his pardon of Marc Rich, as undeserving of a pardon as imaginable. And yes, Hillary engages in the same behaviors.

<snip>

In 1983 Rich and partner Pincus Green were indicted on 65 criminal counts, including income tax evasion, wire fraud, racketeering, and trading with Iran during the oil embargo (at a time when Iranian revolutionaries were still holding American citizens hostage).[17][7] The charges would have led to a sentence of more than 300 years in prison had Rich been convicted on all counts.[17] The indictment was filed by then-U.S. Federal Prosecutor (and future mayor of New York City) Rudolph Giuliani. At the time it was the biggest tax evasion case in U.S. history.[18]

Hearing of the plans for the indictment, Rich fled[9] to Switzerland and, always insisting that he was not guilty, never returned to the U.S. to answer the charges.[Notes 1] Rich's companies eventually pled guilty to 35 counts of tax evasion and paid $90 million in fines,[7] although Rich himself remained on the Federal Bureau of Investigation's Ten Most-Wanted Fugitives List for many years,[20] narrowly evading capture in Britain, Germany, Finland, and Jamaica.[21] Fearing arrest, he did not even return to the United States to attend his daughter's funeral in 1996.[22]

On January 20, 2001, hours before leaving office, U.S. President Bill Clinton granted Rich a highly controversial presidential pardon. Several of Clinton's strongest supporters distanced themselves from the decision.[23] Former President Jimmy Carter, a fellow Democrat, said, "I don't think there is any doubt that some of the factors in his pardon were attributable to his large gifts. In my opinion, that was disgraceful."[24] Clinton himself later expressed regret for issuing the pardon, saying that "it wasn't worth the damage to my reputation."[9]

Clinton's critics alleged that Rich's pardon had been bought, as Denise Rich had given more than $1 million[25] to Clinton's political party (the Democratic Party), including more than $100,000 to the Senate campaign of the president's wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton, and $450,000 to the Clinton Library foundation during Clinton's time in office.[21] Clinton explained his decision by noting that similar cases were settled in civil, not criminal court.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Rich

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The cronyism and pay to play of Bill Clinton is best represented by (Original Post) cali Jan 2016 OP
OMG! Who knew? NurseJackie Jan 2016 #1
Not a surprise that blatant corruption doesn't trouble you- cali Jan 2016 #4
Wake me before the trial starts. I'll be interested in that. NurseJackie Jan 2016 #7
K and R... This is Getting Boring... CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #39
OK....I guess we shouldn't vote for Bill Clinton in 2016 Cali_Democrat Jan 2016 #2
Did you miss the part where I wrote that I believe your candidate engages in the same ugly behavior? cali Jan 2016 #3
Oh! Well that's DIFFERENT! Listen-up everyone... Cali *believes* something horrible about Hillary. NurseJackie Jan 2016 #8
Heh! ismnotwasm Jan 2016 #12
And cali has provided evidence of it. cali Jan 2016 #18
Getting anywhere with it? NurseJackie Jan 2016 #25
One more OP SCantiGOP Jan 2016 #38
I will never vote for him for President again. rbrnmw Jan 2016 #5
LMAO! MrWendel Jan 2016 #6
She's no better and they're making him part of the campaign cali Jan 2016 #9
America loves Bill Clinton He is one of the highest polling ex Presidents ever rbrnmw Jan 2016 #11
Yeah, and Americans also love Steve Jobs TM99 Jan 2016 #20
and that has nothing to do with the discussion at hand rbrnmw Jan 2016 #24
It does if you think really hard about it. TM99 Jan 2016 #31
Have a couple buddies who worked for Jobs emulatorloo Jan 2016 #34
You don't seem to get the irony of that. pangaia Jan 2016 #36
I can't help but wonder ... NurseJackie Jan 2016 #15
That'll teach him! NurseJackie Jan 2016 #10
It better!!!! rbrnmw Jan 2016 #14
No shit...Remember, there is a VAST rightwing conspiracy, FOR REAL, EVERYWHERE including here randys1 Jan 2016 #28
well it worked nobody will ever elect Bill again rbrnmw Jan 2016 #29
Barumpbump randys1 Jan 2016 #30
Sheesh - can't we all just 'move on'? nt jonno99 Jan 2016 #13
I'd love to move on from the Clintons cali Jan 2016 #16
Well, looks like you're going to have a bit of a wait. Try and make yourself comfortable. NurseJackie Jan 2016 #17
Maybe not, nurse. Don't count your hilly chickens...... cali Jan 2016 #19
Ah-ah-ahhh! NurseJackie Jan 2016 #23
Perfect. Nt NCTraveler Jan 2016 #22
Just as soon as we get Glass-Steagall reinstated, tough on jwirr Jan 2016 #27
Checking the Big Dog off my list. Lol nt NCTraveler Jan 2016 #21
Marc Rich? Really? MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #26
Wait for it HassleCat Jan 2016 #32
Matter of fairness, Bill Clintons oped "My Reasons for the Pardons" BlueStateLib Jan 2016 #33
Poor Bill's reputation. pangaia Jan 2016 #35
Guy's working overtime.... quickesst Jan 2016 #37
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
4. Not a surprise that blatant corruption doesn't trouble you-
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 06:28 PM
Jan 2016

as long as the Clintons are the ones engaging in it. They've done a great deal to normalize corruption in the Democratic party and make it acceptable.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
3. Did you miss the part where I wrote that I believe your candidate engages in the same ugly behavior?
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 06:24 PM
Jan 2016

Oh, and like it or not, bill is part of her campaign.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
8. Oh! Well that's DIFFERENT! Listen-up everyone... Cali *believes* something horrible about Hillary.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 06:33 PM
Jan 2016

She believes it, so that should be good enough for you!


rbrnmw

(7,160 posts)
11. America loves Bill Clinton He is one of the highest polling ex Presidents ever
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 06:38 PM
Jan 2016

so of course he is campaigning. Jane will be out on the stump for Bernie soon

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
20. Yeah, and Americans also love Steve Jobs
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 06:55 PM
Jan 2016

who was a thorough narcissist with rage and control issues who made the Apple work-place a misery to be in when he was around and who screwed over his friends if it would advance himself.

Americans love their narcissist, don't they?

emulatorloo

(44,063 posts)
34. Have a couple buddies who worked for Jobs
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 07:31 PM
Jan 2016

after he came back to Apple. They said he was great to work with. He matured a lot apparently. Certainly turned the company around. Pixar folks have a lot of good things to say about him as well.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
28. No shit...Remember, there is a VAST rightwing conspiracy, FOR REAL, EVERYWHERE including here
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 07:14 PM
Jan 2016

on the internet dedicated to DESTROYING the Clinton's

Well, not everywhere but sure as hell they are on political internet message boards.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
23. Ah-ah-ahhh!
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 07:07 PM
Jan 2016


Well ... I can count Hillary's union endorsements and political endorsements from senators, congresspersons, and governors. (But that would take me a lot longer than counting Bernie's.)

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
27. Just as soon as we get Glass-Steagall reinstated, tough on
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 07:13 PM
Jan 2016

crime laws and high incarceration figures down and so on. Then we can move on.

 

MeNMyVolt

(1,095 posts)
26. Marc Rich? Really?
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 07:12 PM
Jan 2016

This is kind of beneath you. You used to rock the DU house back in the day for Obama, but I don't remember this type of slumming.

And Bill is not Hillary. Don't give a shit about your last sentence.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
32. Wait for it
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 07:29 PM
Jan 2016

It's reasonable to believe Hillary Clinton will engage in the same sort of Good Ole Boy politics her husband used, but we'll have to wait and see. It is possible she will be different. Notice I said "possible," not "likely."

BlueStateLib

(937 posts)
33. Matter of fairness, Bill Clintons oped "My Reasons for the Pardons"
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 07:30 PM
Jan 2016

rudy giuliani was overzealous prosecutor

My Reasons for the Pardons

Ordinarily, I would have denied pardons in this case simply because these men did not return to the United States to face the charges against them. However, I decided to grant the pardons in this unusual case for the following legal and foreign policy reasons:

(1) I understood that the other oil companies that had structured transactions like those on which Mr. Rich and Mr. Green were indicted were instead sued civilly by the government;

(2) I was informed that, in 1985, in a related case against a trading partner of Mr. Rich and Mr. Green, the Energy Department, which was responsible for enforcing the governing law, found that the manner in which the Rich/Green companies had accounted for these transactions was proper;

(3) two highly regarded tax experts, Bernard Wolfman of Harvard Law School and Martin Ginsburg of Georgetown University Law Center, reviewed the transactions in question and concluded that the companies ''were correct in their U.S. income tax treatment of all the items in question, and [that] there was no unreported federal income or additional tax liability attributable to any of the [challenged] transactions'';

(4) in order to settle the government's case against them, the two men's companies had paid approximately $200 million in fines, penalties and taxes, most of which might not even have been warranted under the Wolfman/Ginsburg analysis that the companies had followed the law and correctly reported their income;

(5) the Justice Department in 1989 rejected the use of racketeering statutes in tax cases like this one, a position that The Wall Street Journal editorial page, among others, agreed with at the time;

(6) it was my understanding that Deputy Attorney General Eric Holder's position on the pardon application was ''neutral, leaning for'';

(7) the case for the pardons was reviewed and advocated not only by my former White House counsel Jack Quinn but also by three distinguished Republican attorneys: Leonard Garment, a former Nixon White House official; William Bradford Reynolds, a former high-ranking official in the Reagan Justice Department; and Lewis Libby, now Vice President Cheney's chief of staff;

(8) finally, and importantly, many present and former high-ranking Israeli officials of both major political parties and leaders of Jewish communities in America and Europe urged the pardon of Mr. Rich because of his contributions and services to Israeli charitable causes, to the Mossad's efforts to rescue and evacuate Jews from hostile countries, and to the peace process through sponsorship of education and health programs in Gaza and the West Bank.

While I was troubled by the criminalization of the charges against Mr. Rich and Mr. Green, I also wanted to assure the government's ability to pursue any Energy Department, civil tax or other charges that might be available and warranted. I knew the men's companies had settled their disputes with the government, but I did not know what personal liability the individuals might still have for Energy Department or other violations.

Therefore, I required them to waive any and all defenses, including their statute of limitations defenses, to any civil charge the government might bring against them. Before I granted the pardons, I received from their lawyer a letter confirming that they ''waive any and all defenses which could be raised to the lawful imposition of civil fines or penalties in connection with the actions and transactions alleged in the indictment against them pending in the Southern District of New York.''
(full oped at url below)
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/18/opinion/my-reasons-for-the-pardons.html?pagewanted=all


pangaia

(24,324 posts)
35. Poor Bill's reputation.
Mon Jan 4, 2016, 07:38 PM
Jan 2016
Clinton himself later expressed regret for issuing the pardon, saying that "it wasn't worth the damage to my reputation."


You fuckwad.

And now you expect the United States of America to consider another forked- tongued, power hungry, triangulating corporatist for president.



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