So, will anyone receiving Warren's endorsement be accused of tolerating homophobia...

[Ken Burch]

...if they don't reject the endorsement due to Warren's earlier GOP allegiances?

I know Warren's past Republican views are fair game and that a lot of good people here and elsewhere are still legitimately upset about her failure to make it clear that she no longer share's that party's policies towards LGBTQ people, and that this was a source of suspicion about heh when it still looked like she might seek the presidency herself, but I'm sincerely wondering how that will affect anyone's feelings towards whoever it might be that she ends up endorsing.

[Glorfindel]

1. Surely not. A person who has seen the (Democratic) light and repented past (Repuke) associations

deserves congratulations, not opprobrium.

[CBGLuthier]

2. If they can accept Clinton's "evolving" views on rights they sure as hell have to accept hers

Considering the outrageous bullshit the Clintons espoused in the 90s regarding gay rights I don't see where this should be an issue.

[Fearless]

4. The difference is Hillary does so for political expediency

You know that.

[dsc]

10. the only issue she evolved on is marriage

Warren supported politicians who were literally responsible for the deaths of thousands of gays. There isn't a gay man or lesbian in my age cohort (upper 40's) who didn't personally know someone whose life was shortened by decades due to the policies advanced by the people Warren admitted voting for over and over and over again.

[Ken Burch]

15. And I thank you for reminding people in the thread of that.

(btw, while I don't happen to be gay, at least two of my friends died at least partially as a result of Reagan's attitude towards PWA's and towards AIDS research).

What I'm looking for here is what those who still feel such anger about Warren's past will be expecting of any candidate who receives Warren's endorsement. Is the expectation going to be that the endorsement must be rejected, or that Warren needs to make a full public renunciation of her views in the past(a reasonable request, actually)? Or what else might the response be?

Anyone who feels anger about Warren's support of Reagan and Bush is entitled to do so, and I fully respect that. Just wanted to know what will be expected now, of whoever she might choose to endorse, whatever that person's own record on LGBTQ issues happens to be.

This is NOT a "are you guys STILL making a big deal out of this?" thread.

[dsc]

17. I don't think the anger is commuted

through her endorsement. I would have a hard time voting for her without a good explanation, which hasn't been offered, but she isn't tainting her endorsees.

[Nye Bevan]

3. Liz Warren was pushing for marriage equality before Obama came out in favor of it.

Asked whether she wants Obama to finish evolving and support same-sex marriage, Warren chuckled and responded that was indeed her view.

“I want to see the president evolve because I believe that is right; marriage equality is morally right,” Warren said.

Warren expressed similar sentiments about the Democratic Party platform, saying it would build support for ending the anti-gay Defense of Marriage Act.

“I’d be glad to see it included in the Democratic platform,” she said. “It helps raise awareness of the impact of DOMA and it helps build support to repeal it.”

http://www.politico.com/blogs/politico44/2012/03/elizabeth-warren-to-obama-evolve-already-118346

[Sheepshank]

5. So it's a matter of timing? Good to know

Now all we need a definitive set of rules that can be applied. Let's make sure the rule only applies to some people, sufficient exclusionary criteria to be applied to other people. Heaven forbid the rule be evenly applied.

[NurseJackie]

6. Ahhh ... I see what you're trying to do there.

[Ken Burch]

12. I have no tricky agenda here.

This is going to come up(see Blue Northwest's post)no matter who Warren endorses...even if your candidate does get nominated and Warren doesn't endorse her until after the convention.

[NCTraveler]

7. Hedging your bets?

Under the bus before the endorsement. I like your proactive style. Lol

[Ken Burch]

13. No. Wanting to know what is expected here.

There are people who have legitimate concerns about Warren's past allegiances. This could affect whoever Warren endorses(even if, for some reason, she were to endorse O'Malley).

[NCTraveler]

14. By some people, you mean you.

This is as blatant of a bet hedging as I have seen. lol.

"This could affect whoever Warren endorses"

Yeah, the republicans are really going to trash whoever she endorses because of it. That would be brilliant. I know you aren't talking about Sanders supporters. They wanted her over Sanders.

[Ken Burch]

16. Actually, it's possible she could endorse Sanders.

She's been very critical of HRC lately. Way too critical to be on the verge of endorsing.

And while Republicans won't use this, it could damage Dem turnout in certain quarters if handled badly.

BtW, even if I was, you claim to be an O'Malley supporter, so why would it matter to you? HRC is pretty unlikely to put O'Malley on the ticket, y'know.

[NCTraveler]

18. Love O'Malley. He is awesome. Voting for Clinton. Love her as well.

To be honest, I'm really laughing at some of what you have typed. You are hedging in preparation of a Warren endorsement. Who do you think is going to be doing the attacking?

"it could damage Dem turnout in certain quarters if handled badly."

That is what let me know you just wanted to "throw this out there" about Warren. There is nothing serious or real about your comment.

Truly nonsensical what you are doing here, and that comes from someone who posts nonsensical crap after nonsensical crap. Me. lol

[Bluenorthwest]

8. I tire of these posts by straight people which exploit LGBT issues for agendas belonging to the

straight person. Warren was a Republican from Nixon though George Bush. Frankly, any Democrat who does not have a few questions about that is not paying attention.
Was 'homophobia' all that was wrong with Republicans from Nixon through Bush? No, there were many other things, wars, drug wars, race baiting, racist political strategy, supply side economics, Union busting.
What you call 'homophobia' in the Reagan era was far more than simple bigotry, it was bigotry activated by opportunity, they neglected to take any action against AIDS because it killed gay and black people almost exclusively and for 7 years and about 40,000 deaths they did nothing but tell the occasional AIDS joke in a press conference.
That's chilling stuff, and anyone who found that acceptable needs to seriously address those choices if they want from me any vote or any dollar.

[Ken Burch]

11. I'm asking this sincerely. There was no belittling intended, believe me.

I get that you're upset that Warren used to be GOP. I share your feelings about that party, all of them.

And I didn't mean "homophobia" in any dismissive sense Friends of mine died of AIDS in that era, partly due to the neglect in medical research, and I know the last Republican ascendancy was a hellish time for gay people, poor people, workers, anyone of color and anyone living in Central America(not that those groups are all living in paradise today).

What I was trying to get to in asking this was...If Warren does endorse somebody, what will those who are still justifiably angry about Warren's Republican past going to expect of the candidate receiving said endorsement?

And what, for the record, would Warren need to do to make you feel that this anger about her past has been recognized and addressed?
What would put this to rest for you? WOULD anything put this to rest for you? If not, I respect that.

I know you have a lot of reason to distrust a lot of people on a lot of things, but please, trust me on this. I'm trying to get to what someone like you is looking for on this. The questions I've asked here I ask out of full respect for you and a lot of other people(I'm not thrilled by her having been GOP myself, for the record). This is not about jerking you around or trivializing anything at all. After all this time you should know that I wouldn't do that to you.

In any case, thank you for posting, because you have reminded a lot of people what the issues are with this.

[NCTraveler]

9. Kick. nt.