Bernie Sanders Literally Only Cares About Wealth Inequality

[NCTraveler]

Gutman says Sanders used to have two interests: playing basketball and wealth inequality. Then he stopped playing basketball.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/01/bernie-sanders-only-cares-about-inequality.html

That line had me laughing. The overall thoughts in the article is something that is often discussed and something I believe to be true. The more I learn the greater I realize he is economics or bust. The rest is just necessary for his campaign.

[Betty Karlson]

1. Smear, spin, twist. Repeat.

This tired old horse was already beaten in August. Now it is a dead horse you are beating.

[NCTraveler]

14. I agree this has been discussed here.

I might have even mentioned that in my op. It is from extensive reading and listening to those I respect that has brought me to my understanding that it is completely accurate to say he is economics or bust.

As far as your attempt to make it personal, I will simply wish you an amazing Friday.

[Ken Burch]

130. Bernie has proven he cares about institutional racism as much as, if not more than HRC.

HRC proved she never really cared about institutional racism when she helped form the Democratic Leadership Council. You can't care about racism and help build a group that argues that the Democratic Party should distance itself from the Rainbow Coalition and endorse the white racist myths that blacks are primarily to blame for crime and welfare abuse.

And it's not possible to make meaningful progressive changes in any area if you put economic injustice on the backburner and defend corporate control of politics.

Bernie never did anything to deserve your relentless derision. He was never, ever indifferent to any issues you cared about. He never betrayed you and was never dismissive towards you.

And if he hadn't run, no one in the Democratic race would be taking any progressive stands on anything important.

[daleanime]

135. +1

[mhatrw]

141. Bernie Sanders at least stands for something other than more of the same

that got us into the huge mess that we are in.

What do you stand for?

[Omaha Steve]

39. .

[Dustlawyer]

46. He has said that the most important issue for him is Publicly Funded Elections, getting the

campaign contributions out of our elections. He has also addressed all kinds of issues with policy proposals behind them. Where have you been?

[Matariki]

144. He's also said that "Climate Change is the single greatest threat facing our planet"

OP is willfully ignant

[Bubzer]

63. Geez Betty Karlson, how dare you attempt to make it personal.

You can't fool me! I know it's personal... NCTraveler says so in post 14!

"Smear, spin, twist. Repeat." - So very personal! Look at how those words personally and viciously ATTACK poor defenseless NCTraveler! So brutal!

"This tired old horse was already beaten in August. Now it is a dead horse you are beating." - You had to go there, Betty Karlson, didn't you? You just had to drag the horse into the conversation. What'd the horse ever do to you?!? Let that poor beastie rest, for god's sake!

First you PERSONALLY attack NCTraveler, and THEN you bring the horse in on it too?!? Is there no stopping you?!?
For shame Betty Karlson, for shame.

#SaveTheDeadHorses


(Today's bit of satire was brought to you by the letters; L, O and L)

[Betty Karlson]

102. Today's bit of satire was wonderful - many thanks to LOL! eom

[GoneFishin]

126. Yep. Even the maggots are done with that one.

[NurseJackie]

2. There's more to being president of the US than that ...

... it's a global leadership position, and Hillary has what it takes. She's better prepared and infinitely more qualified. That's why she has my votes.

[nyabingi]

44. The "global leadership position" mindset

is what we need to move away from.

The idea of American exceptionalism, that we are the natural "leaders" of the world, and the erroneous notion that the rest of the world WANTS us to be their global leader, are all old-fashioned ideas derived from the days of colonialism, paternalism and ultimately Euro-supremacy. We are electing the president of the US, not some global ruler who's going to manage the affairs of the planet.

These days, being quick to wage war against others is considered "prepared and infinitely qualified", even if all of those decisions have been horrible mistakes and led to the loss of life of millions.

[NurseJackie]

57. That's not what I said. But what I *do* believe is ...

... that Hillary is infinitely more qualified than any other candidate to handle and to understand the global challenges in global relationships. I don't trust that Bernie is ready. Hillary has demonstrated to me that she is. (And, based on her national polling numbers, her union endorsements, her endorsements from senators, her endorsements from state governors, and her congressional endorsements ... it appears that I'm in very good company.)

My votes will go to Hillary. She's the best qualified candidate.

[tazkcmo]

69. Bull crap

"to handle and to understand the global challenges" See Libya an Iraq. She's exhibited complete ignorance in these situations. How about Honduras? Now, she wants to triple down with a no fly zone in Syria so we can get into a World War with Russia. No thank you.

[NurseJackie]

78. I trust Hillary more than any other candidate. She's more qualified than any other candidate.

That's why she's winning. If other candidates had a message that resonated better, and if other candidates demonstrated that they were better qualified, she wouldn't be ahead as far as she is, and she wouldn't have received so many coveted endorsements. Not that there's anything wrong with the other candidates, they're just not as good.

Hillary's better, warts and all. She'll get my votes.

[tazkcmo]

84. Wow.

Ignore the wars, death, destruction, terrorist creation. As for trust, you're in the minority. She's got a serious trust issue by those of us that are living with the consequences of her actions.

Hillary’s “trust” rating nationally is 37% at best.
http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/tag/hillary-clinton-trust-rating

In the survey, 61 percent said "honest" describes her only slightly well or not at all.
http://www.businessinsider.com/poll-voters-dont-trust-hillary-clinton-2015-5

only 37 percent of Americans considered her honest and trustworthy, compared with 52 percent for Jeb Bush.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-hillary-clinton-trust-emails-20150814-story.html

The poll also found that 61% of voters say she is not honest and trustworthy, another record low. On the honest and trustworthy question, that is up from 57% in a July Quinnipiac poll.
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/08/27/clinton-hits-lows-on-favorability-trustworthiness-in-poll/

[NurseJackie]

90. I trust Hillary more than any other candidate. She's got my votes.

The national polls consistently show that she has a prohibitive lead over the other candidates, so it appears that I'm actually in the majority. If people "hated" and "distrusted" her as much as you claim, then some other candidate would be leading the pack in the national polling and in labor union endorsements, governors endorsements, senators endorsements, and congresspersons endorsements.

I'm in good company. I feel good about my decision.

I'll be voting for Hillary, thank you very much.

[tazkcmo]

93. "hate"

No where did that word appear in either the articles I linked to or my own words. I didn't "claim" anything either but simply relayed poll results. I understand that you and your cohorts only believe polls that reinforce your beliefs. Have a nice day.

[NurseJackie]

97. Look around, it's pretty obvious. Your meaning and intent was clear to me.

I understand that you and your cohorts only believe polls that reinforce your beliefs.

Actually, the reputable national polls don't "reinforce" my beliefs ... they confirm that a majority of democratic primary voters SHARE my beliefs.

Have a nice day.

Thank you! You do the same.

[floriduck]

105. Using that logic, Trump must be the best

overall GOP candidate since he has so many people who agree with him. But most sane people would say his followers are being snookered and they're not bright enough to recognize it.

I see similarities with Hill people too. You seem incapable of computing her big dollar Wall Street donations and her history of speeches with the big banks. And her waffling on issues until she finally settled on a position. And her hawkish foreign policy position. All of these issues defy logic that she'll be anything other than another 1% supporter.

Why is it so damned difficult for you Hill people to connect any dots?

[NurseJackie]

109. You're trying too hard.

Why is it so damned difficult for you Hill people to connect any dots?

I like these "dots".

[cascadiance]

121. It's kind of like high school where the shallow kids seemed to like kids just for being popular...

... and not the substance of things they did everyday to help other students or doing or trying to do things that help other people and the world. They like to hang with each other and reward each others' popularity as being their main goals in life, and therefore are pretty "shallow" at having any other goals at all.

Typically we hear so many Hillary supporters just liking her because "she's the most popular" from their estimation, and feel like they have to set up the "in crowd" atmosphere to have people only support those that are the most popular and ignore pretty much everything else about them that could provide meaningful ways to judge them.

Her being the most "qualified" seems like code for her being most "popular"...

[tex-wyo-dem]

110. Believe me, I'm not trying to pick a fight or...

Be snarky or anything, but I'm asking because I'm genuinely curious: what in Hillary's experience as a public figure has earned your trust? I ask because trust, for me, is Hillary's weakest aspect, and is the biggest reason I haven't been able to support her. I just can't ignore her history, which going all the way back to the Clinton administration, is potholed with actions and behavior demonstrating cover ups, misinformation and lying, favoritism towards family friends, highly questionable judgement, etc, etc, etc

[NurseJackie]

112. Well ...

I ask because trust, for me, is Hillary's weakest aspect, and is the biggest reason I haven't been able to support her. I just can't ignore her history, which going all the way back to the Clinton administration, is potholed with actions and behavior demonstrating cover ups, misinformation and lying, favoritism towards family friends, highly questionable judgement, etc, etc, etc

It appears that you've already made up your mind, haven't you? I'm sorry, but I really have no compelling reason to justify my decisions to you. In spite of your preface and disclaimer, I remain skeptical. Your genuine curiosity (as you put it) will have to remain unquenched.


(Isn't this cute?)

[BlueStateLib]

113. Libya's 'No-Fly Zone' was led by France not Hillary

Libya's 'No-Fly Zone' was led by France and the resolution (unsc res 1973) was introduced by the Foreign Minister of France, Alain Juppé, not hillary, who was only one voice among many.

The president is the only person who could of had unsc res 1973 vetoed thus denying the request for the help from the People of Libya, The Arab League, Gulf Cooperation Council and the othe 9 members of the United Nations Security Council, not Hillary

Now, this has been a quick but productive trip, and I want to give you a brief update and then answer your questions. First, let’s remember how we got here. As you know, Americans and people around the world watched with growing concern as Libyan civilians were gunned down by a government that has lost all legitimacy. The people of Libya appealed for help. The Arab League and the Gulf Cooperation Council called for action.

The international community came together to speak with one voice and to deliver a clear and consistent message: Colonel Qadhafi’s campaign of violence against his own people must stop. The strong votes in the United Nations Security Council (*by a vote of 10 in favour to none against) underscored this unity
http://www.cfr.org/libya/clintons-remarks-unsc-resolution-1973-regarding-libya-march-2011/p24437

[nyabingi]

98. Hillary does indeed have experience on the international

stage, but the quality of that experience is the issue. If all of your experience is comprised of mistakes in judgment (which you later have to retract and apologize for) and pushing agendas that are fundamentally harmful to large numbers of people domestically and foreign, then you have the wrong kind of experience. Dick Cheney and Henry Kissinger also have understanding of global challenges, but do you trust their understanding? I really hope not.

Hillary is the establishment candidate so I don't think the endorsements she's received thus far really mean much to me - it's the voters that ultimately count, not the number of endorsements.

[NurseJackie]

100. Yes, voters are important. It appears to me that Hillary has prohibitively more support from them...

... than the other candidates do. The support given to her now will become votes later on, and based on what we're now seeing, Hillary will have more votes than the other candidates.

Mine will be one of them.

Everyone should vote for the candidate that best matches the things that are most important to them. That's what I'm doing.

[angrychair]

104. Yep, people share her opinions

Her and the teapublican candidates all agree on a no-fly zone in Syria.

The President and the Chiefs of Staff and anyone sane have stated that a Syrian no fly zone would be a disaster:

""We have not recommended it because the political situation on the ground and the potential for miscalculation and loss of American life in the air in an attempt to defend the no-fly zone don't warrant the no-fly zone."The response by Selva, the second-highest military officer in the country and chief adviser to President Barack Obama, visibly angered some members of the committee, particularly its chairman, Sen. John McCain.

Hillary surrogates are now attacking the president on his opposition to her (and teapublican ME war buddies like cruz and Christie and mccain) Syrian no-fly zone WWIII plan.
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/tim-kaine-obama-not-doing-enough-to-defeat-islamic-state-end-syrian-conflict/

Good to see she is branching out and attacking the president's effort to avoid a huge international quagmire...maybe she'll get good press on fox.

[NurseJackie]

106. So, you should vote based on the things that are most important to you.

That's what I'm doing. I trust Hillary has the best experience, that she'll have the best advisors, and that she'll make the best decisions. Whatever the situation may be, I trust her more than any other candidate. And that's why Hillary has my votes.

[angrychair]

114. I get you are trying to stick to your point

and be polite. I admire that. My point is not to make it personal. This has nothing to do with any other Democratic candidate but does have to do with what I consider a very dangerous game that HRC seems more than willing to play with our lives.

Despite the advice and opinion of President Obama, the Joint Chiefs of Staff and most senior ME experts, she continues to advocate for a policy that will likely lead to WWIII, not my opinion but the opinion of foreign policy experts, including President Obama. It would require the United States to unilaterally create a no-fly zone on our own. The UN Security Council would never authorize it. NATO nations would be unlikely or unwilling to help. We would be forced to either ignore (seeming uncommitted) or shoot down Russian planes that would undoubtedly test and willfully violate any no fly zone we setup.

Worse than that, she has her surrogates like Time Kaine, who I used to think better of as he was Governor of Virginia when I lived there and I campaigned and voted for him, attacking the president and his policy on Syria. Don't you see what she is doing is no different than what these teapublicans do every day??

[NurseJackie]

120. Thank you for your response. I do not see the world the same way that you do.

I support and trust Hillary, and prefer her over all the other candidates (warts and all). I do not believe that she is dumb or reckless (as others have suggested) nor do I believe that she is "playing games" (to use your phrase). I will be giving her my votes.

[tecelote]

151. +1!

"...even if all of those decisions have been horrible mistakes and led to the loss of life of millions."

Absolutely. We haven't exactly seen success in the Middle East but we sure have killed a lot of folk.

[Fuddnik]

53. Who else better to run a global Kleptocracy

Than a well connected Kleptocrat?

[Dawgs]

54. You just described Dick Cheney.

We need good ideas. Not just the most qualified.

[NurseJackie]

60. I disagree with you. And ...

... based on Hillary's national polling numbers, and her endorsements from labor unions, and her endorsements from state governors, and her endorsements from senators, and her endorsements from congresspersons, I'm not alone in that assessment.

They also see that she's the most qualified of all the candidates. It's difficult for me to imagine that if she were just another "Dick Cheney" without "good ideas" she'd have so many coveted endorsements. Not that there's anything "wrong" with other candidates, just that Hillary is BETTER.

That's why she'll get my votes. I trust Hillary more than any other candidate.

[Dawgs]

66. Then why not tell us about her good ideas.

Those are a lot more important in a candidate than experience.

And, Obama had almost zero experience, which shows that it really is overrated when it comes to being President.

[NurseJackie]

83. Unfortunately for the other candidates, they're not Obama.

In 2016, Hillary is the best choice and the most qualified. The debates have clearly indicated that. She's demonstrated that she knows her "stuff" (and other candidates have floundered, hesitated, blustered, deflected, changed the subject and pivoted to tried-and-true "stump speeches" about issues that they're more comfortable with.)

And, Obama had almost zero experience, which shows that it really is overrated when it comes to being President.

Then based on that criteria, you'll have little difficulty in selecting a candidate that best matches the things that are most important to you, or the things that are unimportant to you. It appears that your choice is easy. (And so is mine.)

Personally, I trust Hillary more than any other candidate. She's getting my votes.

[Dawgs]

94. I'm sorry but I don't understand how any sane person can trust Hillary.

It just doesn't make any sense.

Plus she has almost zero chance of beating ANY of the republicans.

[NurseJackie]

101. Oh, how charming.

Dawgs
94. I'm sorry but I don't understand how any sane person can trust Hillary.

So Hillary supporters are insane?? Seriously? (If anyone dared to post such things about Bernie's supporters the likelihood of surviving an alert would not be in their favor.)

[Perogie]

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[NurseJackie]

103. I'm wide awake and raring-to-go! :-)

Thanks for the offer! I'm on my third cup already today.



It's going to be a great day, and week, and month, and YEAR!! I'm looking forward to every minute of it!

[oasis]

125. You're doing great so far. Keep it up.

[Ken Burch]

134. "global leadership" is a right-wing concept.

It's impossible to be a progressive global leader, especially from a rich country.

To lead is to be imperialist.

[senz]

138. It's a neocon concept. Sad to see Democrats pushing it.

[Motown_Johnny]

3. Then why is he on the record being pro gay rights since the 70's?

And why did he attend the March on Washington in 1963? And why was he arrested for a sit in protesting segregation in the late 60's?

Someone is trying to misrepresent the truth here.

I wonder who.

[beam me up scottie]

4. Really? He ONLY cares about money?

So his stellar civil rights record, his equal rights amendments, his unwavering lifelong support for veterans, women's, lgbt and other minorities' rights - that's all an illusion?

Well you know what they say about those people, amirite?

Uh huh.

I'm noticing a theme here.

[pangaia]

27. What some/many/most?of these 'folks' also do not understand

is that wealth inequality is now perhaps the central issue in addressing everything else.
Bernie KNOWS it.
It is just too fucking complicated for them to see...

[beam me up scottie]

28. Must be their privilege.

I found that people who know what it's like to go without and watch their loved ones go without are usually more compassionate and socially conscious.

The others only care about winning.

[Laser102]

89. Yes they are. That's why I'm voting for Hillary.

[Kentonio]

153. When has Hillary ever gone without anything?

[rhett o rick]

45. The most basic problem we face is the loss of our democratic powers or Constitutional powers.

This is directly related to the ever growing wealth inequality. As we lose our wealth to the 1%, we also lose our freedoms and liberties. Some people are too narrowly focused to understand this. Marthin Luther King Jr. understood this.

[Ed Suspicious]

62. You know how Jews are. It's all about the money for them.

That's what that high pitched whistle is saying.

[beam me up scottie]

65. I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that.

It's been whispered here for months, at least now they're coming right out and saying it.

[WillyT]

77. Great Catch... Wow !!!

[Sancho]

5. True...and Bernie doesn't understand the current cause of wealth inequality!

The fixes to wealth inequality are:

1.) International finance regulation (not in US control without international monetary and trade agreements).
2.) Empowering unions and profit sharing; which cross international boarders.
3.) Dealing with the fact that more "wealthy income" is inherited and unearned than earned wages.
4.) Public education from the earliest level of the highest quality.
5.) Removing systemic "social barriers" to wealth (dumb wealthy are more likely to graduate college than smart poor people); there are very few women CEOs; women are paid less for the same job; discrimination against minority, immigrants, women; a path to citizenship; equal treatment by law enforcement; etc.

Breaking up banks, putting some CEO's in jail, auditing the Fed, and taxing transactions on Wall Street trades will not do a thing to change the current mechanisms leading to inequality, nor will Bernie's ideas prevent financial crooks from future crimes.

Hillary's platform is much more in line with doing something about the issues of wealth inequality than Bernie.

[Thinkingabout]

16. Very well stated.

[chervilant]

41. Yeah, the intrepid

HRC is going after those corporate hedonists who are supporting her campaign.

Right...and, I have for sale a lovely ocean-front property in Nevada.

[Thinkingabout]

47. I see you are not familiar with her plan to regulate Wall Street.

It is Sanders plan of reinstating Glass Stegall and his vote on CFMA which played a big part in the financial crises in 2008.

[chervilant]

49. Wrong, but nice try. n/t

[Thinkingabout]

55. I am right, she has the better plan to regulate so much

Hedge fund employees have a super pac to run ads against Hillary. I have not found a super pac running ads against Sanders, they know his plan will allow their antics to continue.

[chervilant]

124. ...

[Bubzer]

71. Bernie is responsible for the financial crises in 2008? Have you been taking notes from lewbely3?

[Ilsa]

35. Listening to Thom Hartmann's Brunch With Bernie segment

for the last few years, I've heard Sen. Sanders discuss and propose changes to all of the issues you mention. I suspect there'll always be disagreements on the solutions, but he knows about all of which you speak, and he knows it isn't just about "breaking up the big banks". I've heard him speak with Thom about inherited wealth, access to quality education, reviving manufacturing in the US, etc. for years. I'm sorry, you must have missed it on Thom's show. I have no idea if it is discussed in his platform, website, etc or not.

On #2, you might consider changing the word "boarders" to "borders". (Unless you mean boarders, in which case I'm not sure to what you are referring.)

[Sancho]

48. I've listened to Bernie on Thom Hartmann for many years...

which is one reason I'm sure his solutions won't work. Bernie's discussions of inherited wealth are off base because most of the big dollars are off shore - so reforming inheritances taxes won't help. He is also wrong on education (I'm an educator of 40 years), because Bernie doesn't address the access problems of 40 million immigrants. Reviving manufacturing also is not in Bernie's plan, because he never promoted profit sharing (unless he did so lately).

Bernie's Robin Hood tax is a disaster, and one reason my union won't support Bernie.

[Ed Suspicious]

72. You're staring so hard at the trees you've convinced yourself there is no forest.

[Sancho]

95. I'm just reading and listening to the experts that I respect...

Here's a start...all these speakers have books (which I've read). Other experts like Warren don't disagree with them fundamentally.

There is a lot of advice to deal with inequality. The bottom line is that economic inequality is...
fundamentally due to social issues and is international in it's current form.

How's that for a forest?

[baldguy]

6. Then Hillary should make him the head of the Federal Reserve

Having a one-issue President invites the very corruption the Bernistas are always accusing Hillary of.

[baldguy]

75. Hatred like that will make you crazy.

And such unrealistic, unreasoning hatred reflects values of the Tea Party more than any version of the Democratic Party.

[Vattel]

7. Yes, and Clinton's only interest is war. It is so easy to lie, isn't it?

[beam me up scottie]

9. Or you could say since all she does is collect millions for speeches she only cares about money too.

You're right, that was too easy.

At least Bernie wants to redistribute the wealth.

[Vattel]

11. Good point, I will say that her love of war is part of her plan to make more money for herself.

Wow, BMUS, we have been approaching this primary stuff all wrong. We should just be dishonest over and over again like many of the more prolific Clinton supporters. It is so easy.

[beam me up scottie]

12. I think you're on to something, Vattel.

Why bother doing research and discussing issues when we can just join them and make shit up?

[notadmblnd]

31. You should have seen the hell I caught in another thread for twisting shit

the way HRC supporters do here all day every day. In fact the OP of this thread was one of them.

Wild Rhetorical statements indeed!

[beam me up scottie]

32. Oh I believe it.

The hippie punching and draft dodger threads from the op were very enlightening.

I didn't learn anything new about Bernie but I sure found out a lot about those who hate him.

[Akamai]

86. I really cheered when Bernie laid the heavy lumber on Alan Greenspan about his reckless policies..

I wonder if Hillary ever criticized Greenspan's shipment of jobs overseas?

Bernie has been active and vocal in trying to help American families, American workers, the vets, etc.

Typical of him was riding a bus up to Canada with mostly women, there to buy less expensive medication that they needed.

Bernie is not a one-dimensional creature but he sure realizes how much income and wealth inequality are damaging the system and hurting our chances for a good future for all! (P.S., if Hillary wins the primary, I will support her with enthusiasm.)

[LexVegas]

8. And protecting guns and the gun industry. nt

[Alfresco]

10. He does seem to have tunnel vision at times.

[Cassiopeia]

13. That's all HRH cares about as well.

She's being paid well to maintain it.

[democrank]

15. Really?

Perhaps some veterans should have been interviewed.

[beam me up scottie]

17. Bernie fighting for veterans:

[tazkcmo]

76. You can interview me.

Sen. Sanders got me into the VA to see a doctor. Hillary put me in the position to need one.

[Nyan]

88. ...

[democrank]

119. Hope you`re doing better, tazkcmo.

~PEACE~

[tazkcmo]

129. Thank you for your kind words.

Yes, much better! Thank you again.

[mmonk]

18. If not for all the other things he has done.

If they are only minor to of no concern to him, then he has done exceedingly well in the things of no concern to him.

[Thinkingabout]

19. When he is on the talk shows every question he floats back to

His standard talking point financial answer. He has been given many opportunities to reveal his positions on other subjects but has not responded. A president is about much more than his talking point.

[Fast Walker 52]

21. maybe because income inequality is at the root of so many of our problems!

[Thinkingabout]

29. Maybe because Sanders is limited to few issues.

[Ed Suspicious]

79. So right.

It's like they think that when the root of the problem is a clogged toilet, we need to focus on trimming the hedges.

These people have to be intentionally trying not to get it.

[Fast Walker 52]

20. well, it's probably the single most important issue that he can address as a president

to make our country better. It's fairly central to lots of other problems.

[cherokeeprogressive]

22. ONLY.

Makes me wonder if you understand the word.

[tk2kewl]

38. was my reaction too

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=983346

[MattSh]

23. Wealth Inequality is at the root of any number of problems facing the USA...

fix that, and you're on your way to fixing any number of other things. But you knew that, didn't you?

[marmar]

24. You guys could at least display some creativity with these attacks.

This one's a real bore.

[stonecutter357]

25. K&R!

[Scuba]

26. And gay rights. And veterans. And family leave. And climate change. And healthcare. And ...

... those are just off the top of my head.

[AllyCat]

30. How fabulously unobservant.

It's an important issue that addresses many of our other problems. But I hear him about women's rights, prisons, marijuana, war, election protection, family leave (all things HRC has a much less positive message). But money makes the world go round.

[Gman]

33. Sanders truly is one dimensional

He has no depth on foreign policy. And his grasp of domestic issues is only of economics. He is weak on guns, weak on race relations, weak in economic development.

I don't know how he can be president.

[Ken Burch]

133. Bernie has never been weak on race relations.

And the fact that he isn't a right-wing militarist like HRC(all war, for the rest of eternity, can only be right-wing and can only serve the rich) doesn't mean he's weak on foreign policy.

[cali]

147. False. And Hillary's vaunted experience in foreign policy is one of the best reasons not

to support her. From the IWR to Honduras to Syria, her judgment has been horrendous.

[Gman]

149. Big False. Hilary's foreign policy experience is one of the best reasons

To support her. Too bad you can't understand why. We've never had such a well rounded candidate as opposed to one dimensional Sanders, one of the worst.

[tk2kewl]

34. "Literally"

just a quick browse of the Greatest Page and Sanders Group...

"Our Police Force Should Not Look Like An Invading Army."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128093973

Bernie Sanders’ Campaign Questions Clinton OPPOSITION To Paid Family and Medical Leave Legislation
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251982842

Why Conservatives Praise Bernie Sanders on Immigration:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128093785

Who can you trust?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128093382

McCain: Sanders Has Better Record on Veterans than Hillary
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128093351

Sanders Introduces Bill to Cut Carbon Emissions 80 Percent
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251974332

...and of course there is so much more

[Bluenorthwest]

36. Ah, again with this trope that a Jewish son of genocide survivors only cares about money.

Message delivered by someone whose family was not murdered is that those who families were murdered don't care about that, just about money.

There are some tropes and sets of verbiage that one should avoid just to make sure one does not seem to be working from bias. This is very obviously one of them.

[beam me up scottie]

42. Since the op was lecturing people on verbiage yesterday you think she'd realize how that sounds.

Glad I'm not the only one who noticed that staggeringly tone deaf talking point.

Thanks for putting it so well, Blue.

[Bluenorthwest]

58. Remember it is sexist to say 'shouting' but not antisemitic to say Bernie only cares about money.

That's the metric we have going on here. A demand for kid gloves out of people wearing sandpaper mittens.

[beam me up scottie]

59. It's sexist to call Hillary a "chicken" too.

But accusing a Jewish man of only caring about money is perfectly acceptable.

[NCTraveler]

67. This is not about religion.

I fully understand you wanting to make it about religion.

[tazkcmo]

81. It's about money.

And that's all he cares about. It's obvious by looking at his donor list while your candidate's list is a veritable who's who of philanthropic Wall St firms and banks.

[NCTraveler]

82. And women's groups, unions, civil rights groups, etc.

Glad you agree it is not about religion.

[Ken Burch]

132. What is it about?

There can't be a progressive reason to back HRC over Bernie. Just electing a woman isn't anything. A centrist female president can't be transformative.

The truth is, you have never had any legitimate reason for your hostility to Bernie. He is just as electable as HRC and has never betrayed you on any issue.

[Bluenorthwest]

156. I'm not saying it is about his religion but about your bias and underlying prejudices. Got that?

It's a form of attack that should be avoided even if it is 'innocent' because it carries resonance with classic tropes of bigotry against Jews. You seem very comfortable with such verbiage. I'd never use such language. About anyone. But you are happy to use it against a member of a minority often attacked with that very language. It is a choice you are making. 'His family was mostly killed by racist Nazis but all he cares about is money' says the person supporting a candidate worth tens of millions of dollars.

[NCTraveler]

157. I got it.

I got that I am not willing to compete with all of the grand assumptions you have made about me.

Happy Thursday!!!!!

[Katashi_itto]

37. Gosh...well thats it then. I guess we better all go run to Hillary

[U of M Dem]

40. Is this the new-old talking point being recycled due to lack of valid criticism of Bernie?

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"Something I believe to be true."

You sound less like you are expressing your genuine opinions and more like you are trolling to piss people off by posting obvious Hillarian (*Hillarious?) talking points.

"The more I learn the greater I realize he is economics or bust."

Learning involves taking in information - it seems you are effective at blocking out a substantial amount of credible, valid, and (dare I say) obvious information that relates to the candidate you dislike (as pointed out up-thread).

Even if this is your deeply held political belief, you will fall flat every time posting this kind of opinion piece without any substance backing it up.

"The rest is just necessary for his campaign."

I challenge you to substantiate your claims, or else look the fool.

I can only presume that the boogeyman of socialism has your knees knocking so bad in fear.

[cali]

43. Wrong. Having been to town meetings of his over the years

I know just how wrong you are.

He cares about everything from road plowing to the local women's abuse hotline. And he is always well informed.

[rhett o rick]

50. The attempt to ridicule Sen Sanders for wanting to reverse the great

wealth drain from the middle and working classes to the wealthy is important to note. Obviously HRC doesn't agree that wealth redistribution from the 99% to the 1% is a problem. She seems to sympathize with those of the 1% amassing enormous wealth. In fact she is one of them.

We are in a class war and Sen Sanders represents the 99% that is desperately trying to end the great wealth highjack that has been going on for 40 years. Clinton, one of the wealthy Aristocracy, doesn't agree that wealth inequality is a problem. At least that's what this OP implies.

[Bluenorthwest]

51. Of the two candidates only one has expended energies to amass great wealth.

Logic tells us that the candidate most interested in money would be the candidate who stacks up vast piles of cash far more than she or her family could ever possibly need. Why do people with tens of millions still feel driven to accumulate more and more and more? Has to be a missing element in their beings.

[Cary]

52. As Warren Buffet said there is a class war and his class won

Restoring the middle class is absolutely critical.

It is not the only issue and I don't see Bernie Sanders as out of line. I'm still voting for Hillary.

[Dawgs]

56. Right, because that's all that Jewish men care about?

[Buzz Clik]

64. BOOM! Got right to it!

Got nuttin'? Play the bigotry card!

[Buzz Clik]

61. This Gutman?

Sydney Greenstreet as "Gutman" in The Maltese Falcon.

[lonestarnot]

68. He certainly has richie rich quivering like a chihuahua nerve ball. Who gives a crap what stupid

has to say about the matter.

[Jim Lane]

70. From this thread we'll see if some people are consistent.

I seem to remember several threads in which there were posts disagreeing with Clinton about some issue, in response to which Clinton supporters opined that DUers should only post positive things about their own candidate instead of attacking other candidates.

Those Clinton supporters will presumably be along any minute now to chastise you for violating this principle.

Then again, maybe they won't.

[jeff47]

92. If you're waiting for consistency from Clinton supporters on DU

you will be waiting a long time.

Meanwhile, the OP's candidate still hasn't gotten around to a social justice platform that survives even the briefest scrutiny by BLM activists, yet Sanders has one that those same activists praise.

[Hiraeth]

74. Most people vote their wallets.

[shawn703]

87. This board is no place for anti-Semitic smears

There's plenty of other places on the Internet to express those types of ideas.

[NurseJackie]

91. I agree with that sentiment. (I must have overlooked the anti-Semitic smear. Can you point it out?)

[Doctor_J]

96. Need an umbrella for the torrent of bullshit raining down today

Besides gay marriage, family leave, and domestic spying, there are these



Stop lying for awhile! Maybe Hillary will get the hint and stick to the truth too!

[Autumn]

107. And hip waders cause the shit's getting deep

in here. Hillary campaign must be in trouble . They are recycling everything they can.

[restorefreedom]

99. he has a long record of fighting for a variety of causes

its out there, easy to find.

but as to wealth/income inequality being his foundational but not only issue (which i agree with), have you considered the possibility that it is his foundational issue because it is THE issue facing the u.s. today? financial inequality leads to every other type, jobs, education options, health and health care, access to good food and decent housing, voting difficulties, justice issues (there is certianly a racial aspect to that too), quality and even quantity of life. as the wealthy class grows stronger and more powerful, there is coming a point maybe even now, where the reality of our democracy itself is at risk

seriously, what could be a bigger issue than that?

[Historic NY]

108. His only friend Senator Jim Inhofe R. 81yrs old....

the snowball guy.

[lumberjack_jeff]

111. It only seems that way because he's the only candidate who cares at all. n/t

[Agnosticsherbet]

115. I came to that conclusion when I first learned of his record on Gun Control...

His initial reaction to BLM (He did finally take a stand on their issues) reinforced that notion.

It is why I don't support him.

[senz]

136. Yes, he got a D- score from the NRA.

With BLM he has always been considerate and humble. ALWAYS, without fail. Whereas Hillary was high-handed and unsympathetic with them. In the first Democratic debate, he was the only candidate to say "Black Lives Matter." Hillary wouldn't say it.

If you care at all, why don't you look at this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251684857

Maybe you should be a little more honest about why you don't support Bernie. I think you don't support him because you want the Wall Street candidate, the bought and sold candidate.

[Agnosticsherbet]

145. The NRA is shit. He voted against the Brady Bill and to immunize Gun manufacturers from law suites.

His votes are what count, not some grading system from corporate lobbyists who stand on a mountain of murdered people.

[senz]

146. FALSE. He said waiting periods should be set at the state level.

This is a classic fed vs. state argument because his state -- which he is honor bound to represent -- is composed of peaceful rural gun owners and doesn't suffer from the gun problems of more urban, populous states.

But on the gun issues that matter, such as assault rifles and high-capacity magazines, his votes are CONSISTENTLY pro gun-control.

You're just clinging to Hillary's few talking points. I suppose her pro-war stance doesn't bother you.

And I noticed you backed off on your BLM attack against this good man who has always supported people of color.

[Agnosticsherbet]

148. His votes are a matter of pubic record. So your statement on his votes is FALSE!

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Those two votes are critical. He cast them. His excuse has been that he lived in a mostly rural state and he voted the way his constituents want. That would be fine with me except he is running to President and those votes are the opposite of what the nations needed.

You are justifying Sanders choices because you support him.

I did not back off, I stated that his actions when if first occurred were bad. His changes do not convince me that he will use any political capital he gains to fix problems of racism and sexism in this country.

He will attempt to do something about economic disparity, and it will not solve any of the issues with racism and sexism because they are not linked to economics.

He remains my third choice in this field because of his record.

[senz]

150. Yes, his votes are a matter of public record. And if you'd look at them

you'd see that he has been a CONSISTENT supporter of gun control, vote after vote after vote. That is why the NRA scored him "D-". There are plenty of gun nuts in congress who get an "A" vote from them. He explained his vote against the Brady Bill. Bernie does something you might find strange: he THINKS before voting. He does not rubber stamp. He carefully considers the issue and then makes what he believes to the be the best vote for his state and for the country. He does not vote in order to advance himself and his political ambitions. He is serious, and he puts others first.

His actions with BLM were always positive. During their takeover in Seattle, he was respectful. Hillary, otoh, was high-handed and superior with them. If you think for one second that Hillary gives a damn about anyone but the privileged upper class, then you are sadly mistaken. Bernie has always fought for the poor, for people of color, for LGBTs and anyone cheated and disrespected within our society. He and Hillary are like day and night.

I personally don't care how you vote -- or about any other mistakes you make in life. But I do object to people telling untruths about Senator Sanders.

[Agnosticsherbet]

152. I told the truth about Sandrsl's stand on gun control.

You can justify his poor judgment on those bills however you want.
If you look at them, you will see they were horrendously bad decisions that opposed gun control.on two major bills.
So, no, he hasn't been consistent and on two huge bills he was 100% wrong.

[valerief]

116. Wealth inequality does trickledown damage. nt

[Bjornsdotter]

117. Wealth inequality

....is at the root of many of our problems. Clear it up and many things will fall into place.

Still voting for Bernie.

[Gothmog]

118. Sanders has not expanded his base of supporters

[senz]

122. Not true, NCTraveler, not true.

Here are some of the top issues Bernie cares about:

Income and Wealth Inequality

College Tuition

Getting Big Money Out of Politics and Restoring Democracy

Creating Decent Paying Jobs

A Living Wage

Combating Climate Change to Save the Planet

A Fair and Humane Immigration Policy

Racial Justice

Fighting for Women's Rights

Fighting for LGBT Equality

Caring for Our Veterans

Fighting for Disability Rights

Strengthen and Expand Social Security

Fighting to Lower Prescription Drug Prices

Improving the Rural Economy

Reforming Wall Street

Real Family Values

War and Peace

War Should Be the Last Option: Why I Support the Iran Deal

https://berniesanders.com/issues/

[senz]

123. Sanders said the biggest national security threat is CLIMATE CHANGE.

Doesn't it embarrass you to create OPs like this?

[JonLeibowitz]

128. I have not gotten the impression that facts are all that important to some.

Not naming any names, just an observation.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

127. Nonsense

[Kalidurga]

131. You say that like it would be a bad thing if it was true.

[senz]

137. But it's not true, and I believe the OP knows that.

It's an attempt to diminish and distort Bernie.

[Kalidurga]

139. anyone who has listened to Bernie or has read the many many posts about Bernie's advocacy positions

knows this. If they don't they are being deliberately obtuse.

[senz]

140. Indeed, with emphasis on "deliberately."

Makes me wonder if this is the only way they can promote their candidate.

[Kalidurga]

142. I hope they have other ways to promote their candidate

I can only hope as I have yet to see another way of Hillary being promoted.

[JI7]

143. Sandra Bland's mother says Differently

btw, you also attacked him on the draft issue while being just ok with Bill Clinton on that issue. it's one thing to criticize campaign strategy but you seem intent on attacking him as a person , as a human being.


<According to an account on Bonner’s blog, she asked Sanders if he would like to meet Reed-Veal, and he replied, “Yes, please.”

“What happened to your daughter is inexcusable,” Sanders told Reed-Veal, according to Bonner’s account. “We are broken, and this has exposed us.”

“We asked Senator Sanders if we could take a picture with him and he consented,” Bonner wrote. “He did not use the moment as an opportunity to promote his campaign. … He did not try to turn it into a publicity stunt. He simply made space for a sacred moment, and then let it pass without trying to gain anything from it. … For that, I respect him. …. That choice may not have made him a very good politician, but it made him a better man.”>

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/10/17/bernie-sanders-had-a-chance-meeting-with-the-mother-of-sandra-bland-and-he-prefers-to-keep-it-private/

[Karma13612]

155. Bernie is the definition of class. Eom

[hedgehog]

154. and this is a problem because..?

[Billsmile]

158. All Road Back To Rome....

And all of our problems lead back to vast wealth inequality.