I do think the demonization of Debbie Wasserman Schultz is partly driven by sexism.

[Cali_Democrat]

I don't think she would have faced this kind of opposition if she were a man.

The fact that she's a woman seen as helping another woman defeat a man for the Democratic nomination makes that demonization even more intense IMO.

It's very difficult for women and minorities in this country and not much has changed.

[Wilms]

1. No. It's her fake curls.

[pangaia]

2. Oh, beam me up and outta here...

Next OP.

[roguevalley]

81. her lack of democratic principles or any principles at all is why she's being slagged. It has

nothing to do with her gender. She would be getting pounded if she were a man because of WHAT SHE DOES! Damn. I don't know why that is hard for some.

[pangaia]

94. I don't know either.

Both sounds Bernie and Hill supporters, yell and scream at each other and accuse each other of the same things.
The difference is WE are usually right.



10-9-8-7-6-5......
One of them will soon say, "See, see. They all think they are right all the time."

Well, we are.

[Scuba]

3. Under DWS Democrats have lost 900+ state legislature seats, 12 governors, 69 House seats, 13 Senate

... seats. That's not sexism.

[reformist2]

5. This. We shouldn't be afraid to amdit that she's been a disaster for the party.

[DirtyHippyBastard]

9. Exactly

Not sexism. Incompetence, or something a whole lot worse, is what it is.

[guillaumeb]

30. How much of the loss is atributable to weak candidates,

and how much to a weak strategy?

And how much to gerrymandering that makes it very difficult in a non-Presidential election to elect a Democrat in the West and South?

[roguevalley]

82. how about her REFUSAL to help dems run against candidates in Florida because the pugs

are her friends?

[Proserpina]

103. And how much to the incompetence of DWS?

Who led all those weak candidates to slaughter, rejected populists, helped elect more GOP dominated state governments than any other, and didn't even attempt to bring gerrymandering to the public's notice?

[dsc]

31. that just plain isn't true

she wasn't chair in 2010, Kaine was but since he has a penis we tend to forget that and blame her.

[cherokeeprogressive]

62. There have been TWO elections since then.

Which one would you point to and term a "success"?

[dsc]

67. 2012 was pretty damn good over all

we gained senate seats, we won the Presidency, and won house seats. We did lose one governorship. We would have won the House but for the gerrymandering that happened due to the losses we experienced in 2010. 2014 was a disaster and she deserves some of the blame for that (not all though since 2010 losses gets some of the blame) but 2012 actually was a pretty good election for Democrats nationwide.

[daleanime]

52. +1

[emsimon33]

53. Agreed!

Plus, under her, the DNC is no longer neutral. This has NOTHING to do with sexism. It has to do with competence.

[cherokeeprogressive]

61. Paw! Dontcha SEE? That wouldn't have happened if she was born with a "broken X" chromosome! nt

[guillaumeb]

107. So males have a broken chromosome?

Or females have too much chromosome?

[cherokeeprogressive]

108. Had a fellow teacher tell me Y was an X missing one leg. Hence: broken. LOL.

I had the distinct impression she was deadly serious.

[guillaumeb]

109. Was the teacher a biology teacher?

My explanation for the "missing segment" is that it represents the "rib" that God took from Adam to make Eve.

[HerbChestnut]

4. Really...

It has nothing to do with the loss of the House and the Senate or the swing in Governorships? It has nothing to do with the clear bias she has shown in favor of HRC? How about the debate schedule? None of these things matter, just sexism?

[Warren DeMontague]

6. Yep. It's sexist to be against arresting sick people for marijuana.

SEXISM!

derp

[2pooped2pop]

8. yep, that's why they call it rag weed.

sorry. We can nail 1000 men for their stupid actions. But include one woman and someone can't help but think it's sexist.

It's the issue's not the gender. But playing the gender card when convenient won't stop.

[Warren DeMontague]

13. in this case, it smacks of desperation. You'll note no one actually wants to defend her opinions.

Or maybe the do- maybe they secretly like the idea of SWAT team busting grannies in wheelchairs for smoking a joint- but they've figured out that it's a pretty unpopular opinion to state publicly.

It's kind of ironic that the OP is going on about the difficulties minorities face; what's one of those big difficulties minorities face? The FUCKING DRUG WAR that DWS is unapologetically shilling for.

[2pooped2pop]

16. it shows that if Hillary get the presidency, they will back up any of her nominations

as long as they are women. I'm all for equality for women but Palin proves that not all women are equal, acceptable, or capable. And standing behind them just because they are women seems very sexist to me.

[Cali_Democrat]

11. That video is from June 2014

The extreme demonization of DWS only began recently after Bernie's campaign was caught taking Hillary's data.

It didn't exist in June 2014.

Thank you for proving my point.

[Warren DeMontague]

15. Saying "thank you for proving my point' doesnt mean I did. Nice try, though.

The threads about DWS happening now have to do with the interview she gave in the NY Times Yesterday, where she floated a bunch of drug war bullshit tropes about marijuana and insulted millennial women voters.

If you were really concerned about minorities, like you assert in your op, you would be criticizing DWS's drug war apologia, too.

So thank YOU for proving my point!

[Cali_Democrat]

18. Incorrect

DWS was essentially turned into the devil right after Bernie's campaign was caught taking Hillary's data, before the interview in the NY Times yesterday.

Keep trying.

[Warren DeMontague]

19. I'm sure that narrative makes you happy.

I've been criticizing her since her clusterfuck around medical marijuana, specifically when she teamed up with shedlon adelson to work to ensure sick people could keep going to jail for it.

That's exactly when she lost me.

I realize for some people everything is about "Team C" versus "Team B", but she's a FUCKING TRAIN WRECK and the crap she is spouting is indefensible.

[Truprogressive85]

22. Really ?

Wasserman Schultz has a different sense of herself. According to people who spoke with her, when she sensed Obama was considering replacing her as chair in 2013, she began to line up supporters to suggest the move was both anti-woman and anti-Semitic. Under fire last fall for her leadership, she took Obama’s decision not to remove her then as evidence of renewed strength and said she was confident no one could get her out of the DNC before her term is over at the beginning of 2017,

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/senate-bid-could-be-solution-for-wasserman-schultz-115373#ixzz3wh7Nv9VT

[JRLeft]

49. Really even though she's supported republicans in the past?

[Art_from_Ark]

75. Yeah, she wouldn't lift a finger to support some Florida Democrats

who were running against her Republican buddies.

http://observer.com/2015/09/debbie-wasserman-schultz-must-go/

FTS

[DisgustipatedinCA]

65. Incorrect. Many of us have hated that pile of shit for a few years now.

[2pooped2pop]

17. actually many have had a problem with her for a long long time

that far exceeds Bernie running.

[Wilms]

20. That would include me.

But only because of the fake curls, mind you.

[earthside]

45. That's just dumb.

My gosh, people on DU and in Democrats in the real world have been griping about her for the last two years at least.

I, myself, have wondered why she has been allowed to stay on as chair after the 2014 debacle ... long before Sanders was talking about running for the nomination.

'Sexism' is not a retort for every woman who comes under political pressure -- sometimes they have just been incompetent because they are incompetent: like DWS.

[stonecutter357]

7. K&R!

[Thinkingabout]

10. Maybe DWS is an easy target for Sanders being behind in the polls.

There was lots of complaining about only six debates, DWS helped Sanders with this decision, Clinton has won the debates and has delivered her stand on the issues very well. When Sanders was given the opportunity to deliver on foreign policy, he delivered another financial statement. Both Clinton and MOM performed well on the foreign policy question.

[AgingAmerican]

25. It's her actions

Like breaking the DNC contract with Sanders in a knee jerk attempt at sinking his campaign. Stuff like that.

[Thinkingabout]

32. The contract and then the breach of contract by Sanders campaign worker.

The contract was breached and yes she did take action, afterwards Sanders fired the employee, suspended two others and then DWS waited until Sanders agreed to an audit before restoring the database, yes DWS did the right move by getting the agreement to audit and with holding the campaign access until this was agreed. DWS reacted to a breach initiated by the Sanders campaign.

[bobbobbins01]

41. You clearly haven't read the contract.

Please don't speak on things you know nothing about.

[Thinkingabout]

48. The audit will be giving the report, even Sanders saw the wrong doing

Fired a staff member and suspended another, agreed to the audit, since he has taken steps I am thinking he knows there is wrong doing.

[Betty Karlson]

97. Wrongdoing on the part of DWS - hence the still pending lawsuit.

The chair is a disaster for the party: change the chair.

[Thinkingabout]

100. Perhaps criminal investigation also.

[MeNMyVolt]

12. She is the "Queen of the Dems" afterall.

I think you're probably right on some of the OTT stuff being thrown around lately.

But I have to tell ya, I'm a fervent HRC supporter and I don't particularly care for DWS.

[randys1]

33. I dont like her either but because I think she is ineffective and has clearly done shit

to benefit Hillary when I think she should have been more impartial.

But she is just not that good at the job, and I dont think I am being a sexist with this observation, but it is possible as all men are misogynist to one degree or another, which pisses some men off but i dont care

[morningfog]

14. Now that is quality satire. Just absurd enough to be funny.

[AgingAmerican]

21. It's driven by her actions

As you well know.

[Ken Burch]

23. Are you really saying that if DWS was a man, we'd be chill with what DWS has done?

We'd be fine that, say, "Duddy" Wasserman abandoning the DNC chair's obligation to be neutral in the presidential primaries and pushing hard to force the nomination of the most conservative candidate in the race?

Especially if that candidate's name was, say, Henry Rodham Clinton?

Why would you think that?

(btw, do you really think Huey Freeman would prefer HRC? Hard to believe that, given Huey's principled and deeply committed stands on the issues.)

[randys1]

35. The truth that we both know is it can be true that DWS is bad at her job, has shown

favoritism when we dont want her too, and at the same time takes criticism that a man would not deal with.

The criticism and attitudes taken toward her would be different if it was a man working to help another man, and we have to be man enough to admit that, having NOTHING to do with politics.

[Art_from_Ark]

77. I remember when Terry McAuliffe was being ripped apart on this board

because he was viewed as ineffectual.

For example,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x119273

[bvar22]

24. Completely Disagree.

I don't care WHAT gender she is, or if she has one at all. I care about policy and leadership.
I've been keeping track of DWS. The following is why I don't support her, and would like to see her leave the Party....and it has NOTHING to do with a vagina.
I would feel the same betrayal if it was committed by someone with a penis.

Some historical background on DWS:

In 2008 Debbie Wasserman Schultz refused to endorse these 3 Democrats
who had won their Primaries and had a chance to win Republican seats:

Miami-Dade Democratic Party Chair Joe Garcia

Former Hialeah Democratic Mayor Raul Martinez

Democratic businesswoman Annette Taddeo

All three had won their local Democratic Primaries, and were challenging Hard Core Republican incumbents with whom Wasserman-Schultz had become cozy.
Not only did the head of the DCCC Red to Blue Program REFUSE to endorse these Democratic challengers,
but she appeared in person at at least one (possibly more) Campaign/Fundraiser for their Republican opponents.



FL-18, FL-21, FL-25: Wasserman Schultz Wants Dem Challengers to Lose
by: James L.
Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 7:15 PM EDT
<snip>

Sensing a shift in the political climate of the traditionally solid-GOP turf of the Miami area, Democrats have lined up three strong challengers -- Miami-Dade Democratic Party chair Joe Garcia, former Hialeah Mayor Raul Martinez, and businesswoman Annette Taddeo to take on Reps. Mario Diaz-Balart, Lincoln Diaz-Balart and Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, respectively.

While there is an enormous sense of excitement and optimism surrounding these candidacies, some Democratic lawmakers, including Florida Reps. Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Kendrick Meek, are all too eager to kneecap these Democratic challengers right out of the starting gate in the spirit of "comity" and "bipartisan cooperation" with their Republican colleagues:

But as three Miami Democrats look to unseat three of her South Florida Republican colleagues, Wasserman Schultz is staying on the sidelines. So is Rep. Kendrick Meek, a Miami Democrat and loyal ally to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

This time around, Wasserman Schultz and Meek say their relationships with the Republican incumbents, Reps. Lincoln Diaz-Balart and his brother Mario, and Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, leave them little choice but to sit out the three races.

"At the end of the day, we need a member who isn't going to pull any punches, who isn't going to be hesitant," Wasserman Schultz said.

Now, you'd expect this kind of bullshit from a backbencher like Alcee Hastings, but you wouldn't expect this kind of behavior from the co-chair of the DCCC's Red to Blue program, which is the position that Wasserman Schultz currently holds. Apparently, Debbie did not get Rahm's memo about doing whatever it takes to win:

The national party, enthusiastic about the three Democratic challengers, has not yet selected Red to Blue participants. But Wasserman Schultz has already told the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee that if any of the three make the cut, another Democrat should be assigned to the race.

http://www.swingstateproject.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1537

The bloggers also are furious with Rep. Kendrick B. Meek (D-Fla.), who similarly refuses to endorse the Democratic challengers to the three Cuban American Republicans.

They are calling for Wasserman Schultz to step down from her leadership role at the DCCC. And they're not letting up, even after one Florida liberal blogger reported that the congresswoman seemed "frustrated" by the blogs and had asked to "please help get them off my back."

This prompted even harsher reaction from perhaps the most influential of the progressive political bloggers, Markos Moulitsas, a.k.a. Kos, founder of Daily Kos, who wrote on his blog Wednesday: "On so many fronts, the Republicans are standing in the way of progress, on Iraq, SCHIP, health care, fiscal responsibility, corruption, civil liberties, and so on. Those three south Florida Republicans are part of that problem. And she's (Wasserman-Schultz) going to be 'frustrated' that people demand she do her job?"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/19/AR2008031903410_3.html

Here are Kos comments on the Wasserman-Schultz betrayal of the Democratic Party:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/03/20/480511/-DCCC-Says-Uproar-Over-DWS-Recusal-Much-Ado-About-Nothing




A lot of time has passed since 2008, but I don't take these kinds of betrayals lightly. Now I find that DWS has been PROMOTED from Chair of the Red to Blue Program
to Chair of the DNC. She must be making the "Centrist" Democratic Leadership VERY HAPPY if they are rewarding THIS kind of Party Treason.

bvar22
Cursed with a memory

"I want to thank Debbie Wasserman-Schultz for being an outstanding chair of our party. (Applause.) She is a great partner."--President Obama

With "partners" like this, we don't need Republicans!

[Ilsa]

86. Thank you. Her betrayal is inexcusable.

And it has nothing to do with her being female, have curls, etc. It's a betrayal of member of this party.

[Hiraeth]

26. good lord. demons everywhere on here today.

[Ferd Berfel]

27. That's a failry chickenshit statement and position

given the havoc shes caused the party not to mention how she's greased the skids down the rabbit hole of corporatism.

[randys1]

28. Never thought about it till now, agreed. I am still pissed at her over a couple things, but agreed

I should add I still think she is bad at her job.

[Vinca]

29. I don't think that's the case at all.

We don't hesitate to trash Rinse Penis or whatever his name is on the other side.

[Indepatriot]

34. Her record of utter failure is sexist as hell....

[fredamae]

37. I am a Woman and I disagree

She is not good at her job unless her job was/is to finally dissolve the Dem Party.
I don't care what gender she is. Period.

[think]

38. DWS refused to endorse Democratic challengers to 3 GOP incumbents in Florida. Think about it....

Debbie Dubya?

Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.) is getting brutally walloped in the liberal blogosphere for refusing to endorse the Democratic challengers to three potentially vulnerable GOP incumbents in Florida.

Liberal bloggers are irate that Wasserman Schultz, who co-chairs the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee's Red-to-Blue program, has declined to endorse the Democrats running to unseat Cuban American Reps. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, Lincoln Diaz-Balart and his brother, Mario Diaz-Balart.

Wasserman Schultz says she doesn't want to stab GOP members of her own delegation in the back. But liberal bloggers say she's killing her own while aiding and abetting the enemy..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/19/AR2008031903410_3.html

[Punkingal]

39. This is bull!

She hasn't done a good job getting Dems elected. That is my beef with her. Nothing to do with her gender...I am a woman also. I don't have any respect for any Democrat who doesn't support other Democrats, because she has Republican friends, male or female.

[leftofcool]

44. And yet she indeed supports other Democrats, Hillary not Bernie

[Punkingal]

46. that has nothing to do with why i don't like her

[Ed Suspicious]

40. Nope. Sorry. But it's pretty clear you seek to give her a pass because . . . vagina.

Donald Wasserman Schultz would have been under just as much scrutiny given the horrible job he's done.

[Sancho]

42. Yes

[leftofcool]

43. Nailed it.

[juxtaposed]

47. I know DWS and for me she is not sexist. Also what is it we are talking about?

Oh ,, Okay Sexism.. She has never seemed to me sexist? That's what we're talking about right.

[Autumn]

50. I do think the demonization of Debbie Wasserman Schultz is driven by

the fact that she is a shitty biased DNC chair who has not put the Democratic voter first and foremost. Her gender doesn't enter into my contempt for her.

[CharlotteVale]

54. +100000

[Autumn]

55. The sexism card is always the last resort.

[CharlotteVale]

57. You can set your watch by them!

[winter is coming]

60. +all the numbers. n/t

[valerief]

51. That's one sorry excuse for her disdain of democratic values. nt

[elleng]

56. B S!

[immoderate]

58. Don't you think her incompetence and stupidity should also be considered?

I think a man might have been fired already.

--imm

[Cali_Democrat]

59. "I think a man might have been fired already."

So you think women have it easier than men?

[cherokeeprogressive]

64. How about "THIS woman should have been fired, and hasn't."

[immoderate]

66. I think DWS played the victim card already.

I hesitate to generalize. Some do, some don't. I'm a man, and I suspect there are women that have it easier than I do.

--imm

[DisgustipatedinCA]

63. I do think you're dead wrong.

[dirtydickcheney]

68. She'd have been long-time-ago foisted from her position if she were a man!!!

Utterly incompetent.

[applegrove]

69. I think the GOP is after the jewish vote. They see it as belonging to them. They go after any

jewish leader as 'Democrats'. Trying to poison the well. They don't attack Bernie is such a personal way because they want him to take out Hillary.

[jeff47]

70. Yeah, it has absolutely nothing to do with the massive losses under her leadership

Please stop defining sexism down. You make it harder for actual victims of sexism.

[baldguy]

71. First female head of the DNC presiding while the overwhelming front runner is female.

Obvious conclusion is we're suffering under the iron heel of the Vagina Mafia.

[Splinter Cell]

72. Horseshit

Every time someone who's actions are highly questionable, that happens to be female, gets called on their bull, it's "sexism". Horseshit.

[morningfog]

73. No you don't. Not really.

[Matariki]

80. +1

exactly.

[silvershadow]

74. Not at all by me. It is purely because she has proven herself to be playing favorites. nt

[mhatrw]

76. Exactly. Nobody demonizes her for being an establishment shill and corporate sellout.

It's all her chromosomes.

[Blue_In_AK]

78. Oh, please,

she's totally inept - and as for sexism, I had the same disdain for Rahm Emanuel when he ran the DCCC. If somebody is bad at their job, they're bad at their job, no matter what gender they are.

[Matariki]

79. No, she's really just awful.

She sucks at her job, she has NOT been helpful in electing Democrats, she's a corporate shill. None of which has a thing to do with her gender.

But you know that. Your post is nothing more than a cheap gambit at deflecting and attempting to shut down deserved criticism.

[AZ Progressive]

83. Forget that she's helped Republicans and other Democratic Party enemies, it's because she's a woman!!!

Stop treating DWS with kid gloves, doing that IS sexist.

[djean111]

84. Nope. If you lived in Florida, you would be more aware of her tactics that support the GOP and

the Third Way. Many example and links have been posted here at DU.

Do you believe that what DWS does, and has done, would be okay if she were a man? That's so very sad.

In any event, I will be sending what little I can to the person who is going to primary her, and will continue to not support anyone who belongs to the Third-Way advised (not a guess, it is public reality, they are proud of it) New Democrat Coalition.

Gender not germane - the whole membership list.

Making this into a gender thing/Hillary thing is just obfuscation. Some of us have been posting about DWS and her GOP buddies for years.

[hobbit709]

85. "There's desperation in the air"

[bigwillq]

87. No, she's just awful.

And needs to go. Her genitalia and her choice for the nominee have nothing to do with it, at least for me.

[mmonk]

88. Sure.

Has to be it. I mean I wouldn't vote for Sen Elizabeth Warren since her being a woman makes her identical to someone like DWS. And Bernie Sanders is identical to Rubio since he is man.

[nilesobek]

89. It really could be sexist.

More likely, DWS has such a bad record and losing streak under her leadership that its making party unity shaky. Its not sexist to say the Democratic party was reamed in the midterms while she was in control.

[Katashi_itto]

90. A pathetic excuse for her ongoing corruption. Vote Hillary!

DWS deserves a cabinet position

[CanonRay]

91. No, it is driven by her being a lousy Democrat

[Douglas Carpenter]

92. Would you agree that the demonetization of Bernie Sanders is partly driven by anti-Semitism?

Actually, I don't think very much of it is- at least in liberal/progressive circles. But we can all play this game if we want to be intellectually dishonest and cook things up.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

93. I don't think it's a major factor.

DWS is a prominent center-leftist, ergo many DUers would hate her whatever sex she was.

We can't prove that her sex isn't a factor for some people, but the demonisation - and I think that's an excellent choice of word - of her is not evidence that it is.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

95. Not true

Debbie is not the right person for the position.

[Betty Karlson]

96. Poor DINO-Debbie overplayed her hand, and now she is being criticised.

So what is she to do? Well, just like Clinton: she has her critics accused of sexism. Because any woman doing what she does is doing a fine job, right? The idea that a politician, regardless of genitals, could be an electorally ineffective, organisationally undemocratic, and biased corporate shill, must be banished because gender gender!

All that is missing is the invoking of 9/11.

[bvar22]

101. Wait for it.

It is coming, but Hillary just used it, so Debbie has to wait a while before SHE gets to use 9-11.

[Ferd Berfel]

98. her record is corporatist sellout failure. So misogyny HAS to be the problem here.

bullshit

[ljm2002]

99. Hmmm...

...well, speaking for myself, as a woman and longtime feminist:

BZZZZZZZZZZZTTTTTTTT, WRONG.

DWS faces my ire because she is both disloyal to the Party that she serves, and incompetent in helping that Party win seats. She faces even more of my ire because I don't believe it's incompetence on her part, I believe it's on purpose.

And although Clinton was not my first choice in her primary race against Obama, she did come before Obama on my list because I thought he was too green. Over the course of that campaign he convinced me and many others based on differentiating himself on a few issues, notably health care: against the mandate, would insist on a public option (sigh). So again: no, for me this has NOTHING, NADA, ZILCH to do with "helping another woman defeat a man".

It has to do with being a venal and corrupt faux Democrat. The end.

[DonCoquixote]

102. If any one of any gender failed as badly as Debbie has

losing dozens of governorships, senate seats, house seats, and yes, even the 2008 Hillary campaign, people would be demanding that person be fired.

Just because she happens to be a certain gender does not mean she is not incompetent.

BTW, where were all the calls for standing by women when DWS attacked Tulsi Gubbard? Was Tulsi less a woman than Debbie?

And do Hillary and Debbie bending their ears rightward help the woman who bear the brunt of our economy, or who are dying in battlefields?, oe whose sons and daughters get shot by cops, or who get raped in prisons run by for profit companies?

If you are going to claim to be a champion of women, then please do not ignore the women who do not happen to look like Hillary, they are women too.

[Buzz Clik]

104. Perhaps in part. She is being crucified for overseeing the organization that revealed dishonesty...

... in the Sanders organization. Rather than having the maturity to accept that maybe the Sanders organization (and, perhaps Sanders himself) is flawed, they blame her.

[bvar22]

105. Black, White, Green, Blue, Male. Female, other.....doesn't matter.

Some people are simply terrible at their jobs.
In the DWS case, she was helping REPUBLICANS get elected in Florida.
That is ALL anyone need to know. Her gender has NOTHING to do with it.
In fact, if she were a man, I believe he would be LONG GONE, but DWS has "friends" among the party leadership,
and, obviously, her Party Bosses believe she is doing a great job getting Republicans elected, so they are keeping her.

[Gothmog]

106. Of course it is