2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBreaking New Hampshire Poll - Sanders 50%, Clinton 37%, O'Malley 3%
Link to today's Anderson Robbins Research (D) and Shaw & Company Research (R) live cell and landline telephone poll of 800 likely New Hampshire primary voters sponsored by Fox.
Even more revealing poll question: How would you feel if Clinton/Sanders wins the Democratic presidential nomination?
Very satisfied:51% - Sanders
37% - Clinton
Somewhat satisfied:34% - Sanders
31% - Clinton
Not at All satisfied:8% - Sanders
17% - Clinton
tecelote
(5,122 posts)The Bern feels so good!
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)Fox sponsors the poll.
You get how polling works, right?
Renew Deal
(81,846 posts)Have they done any other polls ever?
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Renew Deal
(81,846 posts)okasha
(11,573 posts)The important one is "Who will you vote for?"
Still whacking away at a very deceased equine. It's a variation on the favorability theme that seems to make tingles down some people's back.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)You Hillary supporters touted the Monmoth and Loras polls as if they were flipping crystal balls foretelling the future.
Monmoth excluded ALL Iowa first-time caucus participants, EVERYONE under the age of 26, and ALL independents.
When I explained the faulty poll methodology, I was mocked.
When the Monmoth disaster and the similarly faulty Loras poll was released you people declared, "So sad. He's just too far behind" and many chided Sanders supporters and told them to, "accept reality."
Now, you find a problem with a pollster?
brooklynite
(94,352 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)The difference is striking.
brooklynite
(94,352 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)Hillary will undoubtedly still win...so relax and go back to sleep. It's just Faux News right? Nothing to worry about. Hillary is holding steady at a bazillion percent to Bernies Way, Way less-than-that%.
artislife
(9,497 posts)heh
mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)And it didn't poll the right people.
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)information.
I wish someone would quickly post an internet based of all adults without focusing on any early primary or caucus state so we can get back to the Crown Her Now! Parade.
AngryParakeet
(35 posts)Polling in New Hampshire has been all over the place, so Im not trusting any pollster at the moment.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Renew Deal
(81,846 posts)They will usually vote in the more interesting race. And sometimes that's a last minute decision.
Tab
(11,093 posts)(where I live)
It's a good test ground for newbie candidates. You can drive from the bottom to the top in 4 or 6 hours. You're isolated enough from the Boston market that you can run test ads without diluting the audience. You can book venues for practically nothing. Word gets around, as opposed to, say, Los Angeles. In fact, if you live in LA or SFO you can just kiss goodbye any opportunity to see a candidate. NH is small enough that if you want to hit up a "town hall" or something, you can. I've met and/or seen a number of candidates. Yes, it's kind of monochromatic, but it's a decent indicator.
yellerpup
(12,253 posts)Love New Hampshire! Beautiful place with lots of smart people.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)yellerpup
(12,253 posts)Feeling the Bern? I am so excited about this campaign!
grasswire
(50,130 posts)....and it's great to "see" you
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)HRC's "not very satisfied/not at all satisfied number" is 30%, while Bernie's is 13%, and her "very satisfied/somewhat satisfied" number is only 68%, while Bernie's is 85%. Which tallies with what people have been saying all along about Hillary having a problem with enthusiastic support.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)Because he has us - the 99%!
Go Bernie!
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Damn
Tab
(11,093 posts)I can vouch for that. Maybe not the O'Mallefy part though.
ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)I have always expected that Sanders would take Vermont and its neighbor state New Hampshire as a favorite son.
- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)It's been my experience (so anecdotal) the NH is a bit more conservative and, except in climate, not very like VT.
ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)And there is no particular sign that Vermont is as liberal as Bernie is. They just voted down Single Payer there, which is what the good senator is campaigning on nationally.
- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Fascinating!
But what does your post have to do with my post?
A. C. proud member of the reading comprehension community
ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)Saying "New Hampshire is more conservative than Vermont", is not the same thing as saying "New Hampshire Democrats are more conservative than Vermont Democrats". It doesn't really matter that there are a bunch of New Hampshire Republicans who love the Union Leader; they've got their own primary to make decisions in.
With me so far?
Okay, so as a measure of "how liberal are Democrats compared to Sanders" is a big deal, because the complaint from Sanderistas is that Hillary isn't liberal enough (or not liberal, or republican, or nazi, or whatever the hell bullshit they've decided to make up). So to address the question, "Are New Hampshire Democrats liking Senator Sanders because he's a local candidate, or is this the indication of some vast left-wing ground swell", one needs to compare his positions vs his own state. And guess what? In his own home State, Vermont failed to pass Single Payer, even though all levers of government are owned by the Democrats. Senator Sanders' own position can't get through his own home state, much less the country.
The conclusion is therefore obvious. Sanders is a guy on the local news a lot. Democratic voters in the region like him as a person, because he's a local, and probably very nice. His positions? Not so much. Which means that in other states where he doesn't have this natural "favorite son" advantage, he's going to sink.
I hope this explains it to you. My apologies for going too fast initially.
- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Just rattling on about...something.
Did you look up "anecdotal"?
ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
Stoolbend
(23 posts)that's about to burst. Them's the facts, Jack.
George II
(67,782 posts)ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)A scientifically run poll is a scientifically run poll. I see no reason why the pollsters would want to tarnish their reputation by deliberately skewing it one way or the other.
Reality based means reality based - even if it isn't what you'd like to see happen.
- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
George II
(67,782 posts)ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)Pollsters have a reputation to uphold, and that is to be accurate.
If they skewed the numbers, they'd get no more contracts to do more polls - from anybody.
- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
artislife
(9,497 posts)discount polls for a change.
carry on.
ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)I'm not discounting anything.
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vkkv
(3,384 posts)Who would pick the BEST Supreme Court Justices? Bernie Or Hill ?
Come on now, be honest!
154 votes, 3 passes | Time left: Unlimited
Bernie Sanders would nominate the best Supreme Court Justices: 135 (88%)
Hillary Clinton would nominate the best Supreme Court Justices: 15 (10%)
Martin O' Malley would nominate the best Supreme Court Justices: 4 (3%)
The Republican Congress , er, kindergartners, would nominate the best Supreme Court Justices, by accident, in between votes to repeal ObamaCare: 0 (0%)
3 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251974642
thereismore
(13,326 posts)millbrooky
(23 posts)Fixed.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)comfort you can from dismissing data because of who reports the data. I'm sure the facts on the ground will go away if you ignore them hard enough.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/new-fox-poll-tilts-democratic/article/567585
millbrooky
(23 posts)Nice spin. This is also the only pollster to date finding Trump ahead of Clinton nationally. Go figure.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Two other pollsters often quoted here are Quinnipiac (B+) and PPP (B minus):
http://fivethirtyeight.com/interactives/pollster-ratings/
DCBob
(24,689 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)to see running on the Dem ticket?
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)I never believed those polls that said Clinton was moving up again in NH, or even overtaking Sanders. This poll is far more consistent with the trend line that began in July 2015.
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)riversedge
(70,084 posts)FROM the OP
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2016/01/08/fox-news-poll-new-hampshire-gop-presidential-primary-race/
Anderson Robbins Research (D) / Shaw & Company Research (R) Interviews Conducted:
January 4-7, 2016
All results are for release after 6:00PM/ET Friday, January 8, 2016.
NEW HAMPSHIRE
The Fox News Poll is conducted under the joint direction of Anderson Robbins Research (D) and Shaw & Company Research (R).
Faux pas
(14,644 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)of this contention. None of them are right...is my assumption.