Poll: 20% of Democrats say they'd cross sides and vote Trump if Clinton vs Trump in GE.

[Skwmom]

Nearly 20 percent of likely Democratic voters say they'd cross sides and vote for Trump, while a small number, or 14 percent, of Republicans claim they'd vote for Clinton. When those groups were further broken down, a far higher percentage of the crossover Democrats contend they are "100 percent sure" of switching than the Republicans.

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2016-01-08/new-poll-shows-donald-trump-is-a-real-threat-to-hillary-clinton

[SoLeftIAmRight]

1. that is some very bad news

damn - hope it is not true

[winter is coming]

2. Damn.

[restorefreedom]

3. people are messing with pollsters

they know with trump in the race its all a circus anyway, so why not have fun with the m$m?

[Skwmom]

5. The electorate is not looking to elect another "politician." n/t

[restorefreedom]

6. that is true

but its hard to reconcile the same people who identify as dems to vote for tRump. i could see someone going for a third party candidate, but trump?

hard to take seriously, unless the antiestablishment vibe is waaaaaaay worse than it appears, and it appears to be quite intense.

[Skwmom]

12. The Washington establishment is clueless. I have never experienced anything like this year.

I make a point of asking people about the election, political parties, the media, etc. everywhere I go. I sense a real paradigm shift.

[restorefreedom]

17. one thing for sure

going to be a VERY interesting primary and ge on both (or more ) sides.

[AZ Progressive]

26. This election year proves that revolution is inevitable

This is the second election cycle since 2008 where political revolution has been popular among many of the voters. This should be a blaring siren to the elites that revolution is inevitable unless politics fundamentally changes in America to be responsive to voters.

[restorefreedom]

68. yup. nt

[Empowerer]

49. Anyone who is that anti-establishment would not vote for Sanders, either

I can't imagine that anyone who would cross party lines to vote for Donald Trump if Hillary is the nominee would ever consider voting for Bernie Sanders, either.

While to many of us, he is not establishment, to the kind of people that Trump is appealing to, he is the epitome of establishment - a career politician who has spent his entire adult life in politics. One of the things they love about Trump is that he is not a politician - a true political outsider, in their mind.

This may not be logical, but these people are not logical

[restorefreedom]

67. they definitely don't seem to be on the same page

trump and bernie supporters, except for not wanting any more of the usual party politics, but then, it seems like the entire country feels that way, except for the insiders themselves. i mean, the repubs are even going after cruz with the birther bullshit, that is saying something.

[Xipe Totec]

4. Thank yo for that, oh, so helpful post. nt

[oasis]

7. Certain Democrats would say or do anything to boost their candidate.

It doesn't mean they'll actually go through with it when they enter the voting booth.

[Ed Suspicious]

45. You sure?

[oasis]

48. Given the history of the various dishonest tactics employed by zealots,

you just can't rule it out. We'll just have to wait and see, but in the meantime, no cause for alarm.

[cali]

8. Holy shit that's disturbing

[pa28]

9. Noted.

Nominating an establishment candidate in 2016 because that's the "safe" move is starting to look like buying a ticket on the Titanic because it's unsinkable.

[temporary311]

11. When was the last time an establishment Dem

even won a presidential election? LBJ, maybe? Feels like a technicality though since he was already President when he won, so it was more like a reelection. Was Obama establishment, even though he ran as an outsider? Clinton wasn't when he won, though the Clintons have become the establishment since. Maybe Al Gore, though he was never sworn in.

[okasha]

29. 2008.

Obama had moved steadily up the political ranks from community to state to federal. He had the backing of Ted Kennedy and the Daley organization. You don't get more establishment than that.

Clinton and Carter were the exceptions, both derided as rednecks and bumblers. That was and remains a really stupid underestimation of both men.

[farleftlib]

18. Yup

You said it. Where are we going so fast and why am I in this handbasket?

[thereismore]

10. 1 in 5 that's a lot. Vote for Bernie, the real progressive. nt

[enid602]

54. numbers

That poll must have contacted a disproportionately large number of Bernie supporters. They would be more at risk to support yet another 'cult of personality' candidate.

[NurseJackie]

13. I doubt it.

[Dawson Leery]

15. Bernie supporters could be throwing a tantrum.

[NurseJackie]

20. Now that I find credible ...

... we see examples of that very thing, right here, quite often.

[one_voice]

14. So, which dems are crossing over to trump?

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If as people say, Hillary is third way center right same as repuke why would they need to cross over to Trump? <<<-----was true; why vote for a puke? So which Dems are crossing over and why? I didn't see that bit of info in this stirring piece of news.

So I call bullshit.

edited to add: or is this poll saying that self proclaimed progressives wanting a revolution would help put the likes of Trump in the White House? A racists, homophobic, misogynistic turd? Now, that can't possibly be true, could it?

Nah, I will read the comments here on DU and see those progressives denouncing such a thing. I mean staying home on election day is one thing, but crossing over to vote for trump--surely that will be condemned. right?

Or this poll is bullshit?

before anyone throws it out--asking you **not** to cross over for Trump is not a purity pledge.

[Dawson Leery]

21. The Berniebros who are demanding Bernie the nominee.

[bullimiami]

16. Bull$#!+

[MeNMyVolt]

19. Are you one of them? n/t

[uponit7771]

22. This wasn't said in 08 too? The petulant are throwing tantrums

[AZ Progressive]

23. This is why it's better for us to raise our voices rather than go along with groupthink

Groupthink can make some huge disasters.

[pugetres]

24. Seems like a good time to share an old link again.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/06/exit-polls-half-of-clintons-supporters-wont-back-obama/

Obama still won so they obviously didn't follow through with their refusal to vote for the nominated Dem.

[Skwmom]

25. This year doesn't feel like the 08 election. n/t

[pugetres]

30. No. It isn't the same.

But, that story reminds me of how far out we still are and how much it can all change. And, it is also posted in response to persons who want to imply that the 20% noted in the poll are throwing a tantrum.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

69. That's a great point...

A poster in another thread said President Obama won in 2008 without Clinton voters. I told him that was preposterous. 83% of Clinton voters voted for PBO in 08. It's just math. Hillary had 20,000, 000 votes in the 08 primary. PBO won by 9,500,000.

[chillfactor]

27. then those Democrats are not true Democrats.....

and they are just as stupid as Trump's insane followers.

[Purveyor]

33. Basically 'Reagan Democrats' and from the people I talk to that come through my store, I think 20%

is a low ball number. Funny thing is they sort of 'whisper' that they might support Trump on the DL.

[NashuaDW]

28. Two Words for Ya ...

Reagan Democrats

[okasha]

32. Two more current ones.

Libertarian ratfuckers.

[airplaneman]

65. I prefer the term

Republican Democrats - they say they are Democrats but actually behave just like Republicans.
-Airplane

[Sheepshank]

31. We are to believe a real Dem would vote for Trump.

Not buying it

[JudyM]

41. I know, that was my reaction. Nt

[millbrooky]

34. They didn't analyze Sanders vs. Trump

No context.

[RandySF]

35. Does anyone know Mercury Analytics' track record?

[Squinch]

40. Well they say that it is "a combination online questionnaire and

dial-test of Trump's first big campaign ad among 916 self-proclaimed likely voters"

I have no idea what that even means. Is an online questionnaire an internet poll? And how do you do a dial test in conjunction with an online questionnaire? And how does a dial test of a Trump ad tell you whether Democrats will or won't vote for Hillary?

Not buying this one.

[tritsofme]

36. You've got to hope this is just sour grapes petulance by those Bernie supporters

And that when push comes to shove that they are not actually crazy enough to vote for Trump.

[Punkingal]

50. You don't know if it is Bernie supporters they polled. Saying so is horseshit.

I support Bernie and I would NEVER vote for Trump.

[tritsofme]

52. Who else could they be?

These are obviously not...Hillary supporters. No other candidate but Sanders has meaningful levels of support...ergo the Democrats that support Trump in this poll must be predominantly Sanders supporters.

[winter is coming]

55. DINOs (in more than one sense of the word) who don't want to vote for a woman?

Or who really don't want to see the Clintons in the WH again? A lot of people still remember NAFTA, and not fondly.

[tritsofme]

58. Ok...none of that negates the fact that they are likely to be predominantly Sanders supporters.

[winter is coming]

61. I've seen no evidence, NONE, that Sanders supporters are opposed to voting for women.

After all, a lot of them were hoping Warren would run--and would be happy to see her as VP. The other VP suggestion most commonly floated among Sanders supporters is another woman, Barbara Lee.

As for the Clintons, Bernie supporters don't like their closeness to Wall Street. The last thing they'd do is turn around and vote for Trump. They might vote third party, or write in a candidate, or leave the top spot on the ballot blank, but I don't see any Dems who support Bernie now opting for Trump.

[tritsofme]

64. I'm just reacting to the poll results in the OP.

The way the math works out, it only makes sense that it is predominantly Sanders people indicating they would support Trump over Hillary.

I agree this is an unlikely ultimate outcome, and posited in my first post that it is hopefully just a sour grapes sort of petulant response to being confronted with defeat.

[bowens43]

37. not unexpected , hillary is one of the most despised establishment politicians we have ever seen.

[leveymg]

38. At least 25perc of Obama voters won't show for Hillary.

Doubt if anywhere near that many would vote GOP, but if she's the nominee Hillary will likely lose the General. Democratic turnout is going to be low and Independents are distrustful and aren't likely to break for her. That's a recipe for disaster.

[OilemFirchen]

39. I avoid these poll threads like the plague.

But this one's nearly as ridiculous as Overtime Politics:

1) Mercury Dynamics, founded in October of last year, is not a polling firm. They do "market research".

2) This is not a poll in any traditional sense. It is, according to their press release, a "survey and ad 'dial-test' of Trump’s first campaign spot". The "survey", from which the results were supposedly obtained, was done online. The "Dial test" is one of those gimmicks which ostensibly shows the "real-time reactions" of participants watching something - in this case, a Donald Trump campaign ad.

3) As with the laughable Overtime Politics, this company provides only one metric for this survey: the total number of participants. No info as to who the participants were, how they were chosen (or chose) to participate and, of course, absolutely no demographic data whatsoever.

4) Caveat emptor: This is an advertisement for a fledgling company. Do not be duped.

[underthematrix]

43. LOL! Probably the same 20% who would cross

sides and vote NAZI Trump if Bernie were the nominee

[6chars]

44. Incomprehensible

If you are a Democrat, why would you vote for someone who violates all principles of the Democratic party?

[Skwmom]

46. Some Democrats violate principles of the Democratic Party-or at least what it use to stand for n/t

[Kalidurga]

47. There is no way I would vote for T-Rump not even as a protest vote.

There are so many other options available.

[saltpoint]

51. I won't be one of them. There isn't

one among the Puke primary candidates, including those who've already dropped out, who can be trusted with a democracy.

Not one.

[Go Vols]

56. Hopefully,it won't come to that.

According to a December 22, 2015 article in The Hill titled In blockbuster poll, Sanders destroys Trump by 13 points, Bernie Sanders would achieve a "landslide of epic proportions" against The Donald.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/bernie-sanders-destroys-donald-trump-by-13-points-6-more-than-clinton-_b_8936840.html

[Agschmid]

57. Then they aren't democrats they are idiots.

[neverforget]

59. I try not to comment on polls, but that is fucking insane if accurate

[Godhumor]

60. For Fuck's Sake, the firm who did the survey was hired by Trump to do the survey

Mercury Analytics did the dial test for Trump on his first campaign ad. It is meaningless. Really, really, really meaningless.

[emulatorloo]

62. That explains a lot. Thanks for posting.

[redstateblues]

63. A lot of moderate Rs won't vote for Trump

[millbrooky]

66. The polling firm was hired by Trump

Delete your thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251986387#post6