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HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 02:29 PM Jan 2016

Hillary Clinton steals another of Bernie's talking points. This time on Wall Street.

It's almost word for word this time. This is getting ridiculous folks.

"No bank is too big to fail, and no banker is too important not to jail." - Hillary. 19 seconds into the video. Compare that to the dozens of speeches where Bernie has said the exact same thing using almost the exact same words for the last few months.


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Hillary Clinton steals another of Bernie's talking points. This time on Wall Street. (Original Post) HerbChestnut Jan 2016 OP
If she likes his ideas so much, she should endorse him. Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #1
She doesn't like his ideas, she's pandering- attempting to sound populist. peacebird Jan 2016 #2
Why that's just poutrageous! leftofcool Jan 2016 #3
It must be so frustrating to see your candidate shift according to the political winds. HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #4
I have no need to pout or whine leftofcool Jan 2016 #6
Lol. cali Jan 2016 #22
And, you do have to feel sorry for her, losing again and all. tecelote Jan 2016 #41
Mom! LuvLoogie Jan 2016 #5
If you're okay with her copying Bernie's positions when it's politically convenient... HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #8
As the inventor of progressive taxation by decree, Bernie should feel more generous. LuvLoogie Jan 2016 #13
..and that makes sense.... how? vkkv Jan 2016 #33
"Tell Hillary to stay on her side of the car!" leftofcool Jan 2016 #12
The saddest thing is Cassiopeia Jan 2016 #7
I endorse Hillary's act.... FarPoint Jan 2016 #28
I see she's back to being progressive now. nt Nyan Jan 2016 #9
I don't believe a word she says. 99Forever Jan 2016 #10
Hillary checking which way the wind is blowing left-of-center2012 Jan 2016 #11
Ah! The wind is coming from the left! HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #14
If only it would blow hard enough... SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #38
No problem. No one believes a word that comes out of her mouth Doctor_J Jan 2016 #15
Hillary Endorses Bernie's Wall Street Position Melissa G Jan 2016 #16
I want to believe that's what happened HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #17
I agree but isn't the endorsement approach Melissa G Jan 2016 #21
It would be if it were actually an endorsement HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #23
I agree it is stealing Melissa G Jan 2016 #24
I'm glad. If Bernie drags her to the left, that's a win regardless of who gets geek tragedy Jan 2016 #18
+1 zappaman Jan 2016 #20
This was people's ARGUMENT to get him to run. joshcryer Jan 2016 #35
You really think she will stay left if she is nominated? passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #42
No, but the further you drag her to the left the harder it becomes geek tragedy Jan 2016 #44
Not if she doesn't really believe what she is saying passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #45
Of course she will move right, but it's harder to shift a lot geek tragedy Jan 2016 #46
Have to agree to disagree on this I guess passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #47
Yes. I would expect Cruz to shift left. geek tragedy Jan 2016 #50
I think Bernie is a bird of a different feather passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #51
When he hears nothing but "how much are you going to raise taxes?" geek tragedy Jan 2016 #52
He never answers that redstateblues Jan 2016 #59
So... TCJ70 Jan 2016 #55
I don't disagree. nt geek tragedy Jan 2016 #57
Because that guy hasn't proffered what he'd do different with a historically gerrymandered GOP .... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #61
Because he'll at least try to accomplish what he's promising to do. winter is coming Jan 2016 #64
It's not a win beacause if she DOES manage to get the nomination, pangaia Jan 2016 #56
All Borowitz got wrong was the timing nxylas Jan 2016 #19
So you're unhappy with her position? What's ridiculous about it? NurseJackie Jan 2016 #25
Oh, Jackie. You're trying so hard. HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #26
There are so few "undecided" voters for Bernie to win... NurseJackie Jan 2016 #30
There's a lot of assumptions being made in that post. HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #31
You're laughing now.... I don't think you will be in a couple of weeks. reformist2 Jan 2016 #40
Bernie supporters are smart enough to know that if we want Bernie's policies implemented Autumn Jan 2016 #34
The "cut it out" remark really tells us all we need to know about how she'll deal with Wall Street. reformist2 Jan 2016 #43
The joke of this is, Sanders did not come up with this. You can't steal something from someone when stevenleser Jan 2016 #48
I heard her say this long before Bernie announced. RandySF Jan 2016 #27
was that when she told them to "cut it out" SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #39
Mrs. Xerox Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #29
People only steal the GOOD STUFF. vkkv Jan 2016 #32
Many people had the same ideas as Sanders, and earlier. Is he an idea thief then? nt msongs Jan 2016 #36
When you use a talking point that you hadn't previously used almost word for word HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #37
" It should not be surprising" that Bernie talks the talk while Henry Gonzalez walked the walk... LuvLoogie Jan 2016 #49
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #53
If Bernie weren't in the race, SheilaT Jan 2016 #54
Interesting, a FOX news video. Getting past this point Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #58
Hillary says the wrong thing, BAD HILLARY!!! JoePhilly Jan 2016 #60
+1, Hillary inhales exhales... same thing... the Hillary hate here is wingerish at best uponit7771 Jan 2016 #62
Yup ... you can see RW folks on DI post ... JoePhilly Jan 2016 #63

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
2. She doesn't like his ideas, she's pandering- attempting to sound populist.
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 02:36 PM
Jan 2016

She will revert to her warhawk, corporatist, neocon self if nominated.....

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
8. If you're okay with her copying Bernie's positions when it's politically convenient...
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 02:49 PM
Jan 2016

Why don't you just support Bernie?

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
33. ..and that makes sense.... how?
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 04:11 PM
Jan 2016

you mean that it doesn't make sense.. and.. so vote for Hillary?

Got it.

FarPoint

(12,317 posts)
28. I endorse Hillary's act....
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 03:36 PM
Jan 2016

Secondly, Democrats share a general platform... Overlapping is expected and embraced.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
15. No problem. No one believes a word that comes out of her mouth
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 03:08 PM
Jan 2016

Including her. OK, maybe a few exceptionally dim bulbs.

Melissa G

(10,170 posts)
16. Hillary Endorses Bernie's Wall Street Position
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 03:08 PM
Jan 2016

I think every time we see her steal a position, we just call it an endorsement. Good for her to see the light even if it is in the dust of the trail that Bernie keeps blazing.

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
17. I want to believe that's what happened
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 03:11 PM
Jan 2016

But in all seriousness I think she's just pandering for votes right now. She's trying to position herself, as she has this entire election, so she appears lock step with Bernie on the issues regardless of her history.

Melissa G

(10,170 posts)
21. I agree but isn't the endorsement approach
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 03:14 PM
Jan 2016

A better way to point out who is really leading on this issue and who is blowing in the wind?

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
23. It would be if it were actually an endorsement
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 03:16 PM
Jan 2016

In which case I would agree with you wholeheartedly. The term 'steal' is definitely harsh, but I thought it appropriate in this case.

Melissa G

(10,170 posts)
24. I agree it is stealing
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 03:20 PM
Jan 2016

I just think this a a good come back to her suggestion of Bernie endorsing her Wall Street plan. We point out how she Inherently Endorses His.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
35. This was people's ARGUMENT to get him to run.
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 04:26 PM
Jan 2016

That he'd force a policy shift. People seem to have really shitty memory on this.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
42. You really think she will stay left if she is nominated?
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 05:27 PM
Jan 2016

Seriously? You learned that from observing past politicians and campaigns?

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
45. Not if she doesn't really believe what she is saying
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 05:34 PM
Jan 2016

After all, in the general, she will be fighting the teahadists, so moving further right would be to her advantage in securing right wing or independent votes then.

the problem with vote pandering is that it means you are not standing firm on your beliefs and you can swing any time it's convenient for you.

I prefer a more principled stand like Bernie's.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
51. I think Bernie is a bird of a different feather
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 05:51 PM
Jan 2016

He does not shift on principles easily. He's not going to pander for votes the way most if not all the republicans might.

He may shift a little, but not as easily as Hillary seems to be ready to do.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
52. When he hears nothing but "how much are you going to raise taxes?"
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 05:53 PM
Jan 2016

that will cause some ... careful explanations.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
55. So...
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 06:09 PM
Jan 2016

...you like that she's moving left, but there's a guy who's already there that's more than viable. Why not just support him?

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
61. Because that guy hasn't proffered what he'd do different with a historically gerrymandered GOP ....
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 08:30 PM
Jan 2016

... congress.

Why take the chance

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
64. Because he'll at least try to accomplish what he's promising to do.
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 10:14 PM
Jan 2016

I have zero confidence that Hillary will even make the attempt.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
25. So you're unhappy with her position? What's ridiculous about it?
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 03:22 PM
Jan 2016

Last time I checked, the USPTO wasn't in the business of protecting political candidates' ideas or policy goals.

Considering that Hillary is the prohibitive leader in the race toward the nomination, I'd think that Bernie's followers would be THRILLED that "his" policy would be one to be pursued by Hillary's administration.

Sheesh! Some people!

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
26. Oh, Jackie. You're trying so hard.
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 03:32 PM
Jan 2016

It must be tough seeing your candidate adopt the positions of her opponent in order to pander for votes.

Btw, "prohibitive leader"...LOL

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
30. There are so few "undecided" voters for Bernie to win...
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 04:04 PM
Jan 2016

... that even if he did manage to get them all (including O'Malley's) he still wouldn't have enough to overtake Hillary. That's what I call "prohibitive"



It must be tough seeing your candidate adopt the positions of her opponent in order to pander for votes.
It must be tough seeing your candidate so far behind in the national polling and in the labor union endorsements, senatorial endorsements, congressional endorsements and governors endorsements.

You call it "pandering" or "stealing ideas" ... but I'm glad that Hillary's not the kind of candidate who thinks it's necessary to oppose worthwhile policies simply because "the other" candidate is taking credit for it. (When you think about it, that's pretty much what the GOP and TB's are doing with Obama.)

I'm sorry to be the one to tell you, but it's not difficult to detect the anger and frustration that's hiding behind that determined and stoic facade.

All I can recommend is that you guys try to always look on the bright side, put on a happy face, and try to find the sunny side of life.


Autumn

(45,042 posts)
34. Bernie supporters are smart enough to know that if we want Bernie's policies implemented
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 04:22 PM
Jan 2016

the only thing to do is elect Bernie. You know, Hillary really doesn't mean it. Anyone who say's one minute she will tell wall Street to "cut it out" , sorry that gets me every single time, and then turns around and borrows what Bernie says is just playing with you.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
43. The "cut it out" remark really tells us all we need to know about how she'll deal with Wall Street.
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 05:27 PM
Jan 2016

She won't treat them like the reckless white-collar criminals that they are, she'll treat them like kids in the back seat taking each other's toys.
 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
48. The joke of this is, Sanders did not come up with this. You can't steal something from someone when
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 05:47 PM
Jan 2016

it didnt belong to that person in the first place.

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
37. When you use a talking point that you hadn't previously used almost word for word
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 05:16 PM
Jan 2016

That is stealing. Sorry to break it to you, but Hillary is pandering for votes here.

LuvLoogie

(6,975 posts)
49. " It should not be surprising" that Bernie talks the talk while Henry Gonzalez walked the walk...
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 05:47 PM
Jan 2016

as a Democrat. Interview starts at 16:00



 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
54. If Bernie weren't in the race,
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 06:05 PM
Jan 2016

it's scary to think how far to the right Hillary would already be running.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
58. Interesting, a FOX news video. Getting past this point
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 06:50 PM
Jan 2016

I have not heard Sanders say he was going to enhance Dodd Frank and invoke the Volcker rule which would break up the banks if they fail under Hillary's plan. The banks will not break up with the Glass Stegall nor will it prevent the financial crisis of 2008.

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