Sanders - Planned Parenthood - Single Payer

[SoLeftIAmRight]

PP is necessary because of our fucked healthcare system.

Hillary is not for Single Payer - thus PP is "safe"

Sanders is for Single Payer - thus PP would change or be gone

[HerbChestnut]

1. Good point.

[one_voice]

2. PP is necessary..

because of Hillary Clinton?

[HerbChestnut]

5. I think the OP meant...

That if Bernie is elected and single payer is passed, PP will no longer be necessary because women will be able to access the healthcare they need through more traditional means. Conversely, if Hillary is elected, single payer has no chance and PP will remain necessary for women's healthcare.

[one_voice]

8. Is that what you think he's saying?

ok. how many employers would opt out of birth control pills. or abortions? then what would women do.

or how about those that slip through the cracks--cuz there's always those that slip though the cracks.

How's that fixed. Will that blood be on Bernie's hands or will it somehow still be on Hillary's?

This OP is ridiculous. Stop defending/trying to explain it.

[pugetres]

13. Employers would no longer

be the gatekeepers of equal access to healthcare in a single-payer system.

[Cassiopeia]

14. Under single payer our employers

would no longer be able to control our healthcare options. In fact, we would instantly be free to try other job opportunities because we would no longer be required to buy into employer based health insurance or face waiting periods when changing jobs.

[Ron Green]

15. Do you not understand that a single-payer system would

decouple access to health care from employment? Employers couldn't prevent any medical services, and that's a good thing. The OP is right; PP would not be necessary.

[one_voice]

20. So not a single person would fall through the cracks?

Not one? Like not one vet falls through the cracks?

Yes, I understand what a single payer system is. I also understand that I live in the United States of America--with conservatives. That will fight tooth and nail to not include abortions. Religious freedom acts.

Contrary to what you believe Bernie will have to deal with the same assholes that Obama had to deal with. They called Obama a socialist, commie etc. and as so many here like to point out he was Republican lite. How well do you think they're going to play with a self labeled socialist?

My point still stands. It's a ridiculous OP. PP doesn't exist because of Hillary or Bernie and neither of them will be able to create a system that will allow for them to 'go away'.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

22. "neither of them will be able to create a system that will allow for them to 'go away'."

much of the rest of the world has done it

it is a repubilcan talking point to say it can not be done here

I respond - why do you not believe in the good ol USA -why do you believe that many other countries can do things that we can not do - We are number one - we can do what they can do and we can do it better

[one_voice]

24. Don't insinuate that I'm a republican...

first it's a shitty thing to do.

And two.

Because I live in reality and am quite sure no conservative is gonna jump on up and say sure I'm not only for single payer but damn skippy I want it to include abortion. the same people that didn't want to pay for fucking birth control.

If you're asking me do I want single payer...hell yes I do. but not just for women's issues. For the elderly who are often left out of the health care debate. They need help badly.

But the republicans want to take away what little they have. They sure as shit ain't gonna give them more. And to be honest, if I had to choose, I'd give to them. Prescription coverage. PP is already in place. Too many people (elderly) need the help.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

25. yes - it hurts when someone twist your words

is turn about really fair play

not sure

i does seem to hurt communication

want to start over again

[Autumn]

52. With single payer employers could no longer hold birth control pills or abortions hostage

they would be out of the equation and women would no longer slip though the cracks. The OP is absolutely correct, your assertion is what is ridiculous but do continue to defend it.

[one_voice]

54. Yes, I'm sure...

those republicans will be rushing to work with the socialist to approve single payer and pay for abortions. Yes indeed.

As I said. Ridiculous.

[jkbRN]

3. OMG

ARE YOU INSANE?

I cannot believe you claim that women would not have access to reproductive healthcare under a SINGLE-PAYER SYSTEM.

Holy shit. Please do some reading, please. This is so sad.

The opposite of everything you said is true.

Reproductive healthcare would be in danger when it comes to the ACA, as it is right now with republicans always trying to defund it.

Under the 14th amendment, ABORTION IS LEGAL, therefore within a single payer healthcare system, abortion and reproductive healthcare would be provided--and at a much lower cost, and this is because under the current healthcare system PP cannot issue federal funds to abortion procedures.

Single payer healthcare is what will save women's lives. Not to mention that treatment/procedures wouldn't be sparse, as they are now.

[HerbChestnut]

4. That's not what the OP is saying

With a single payer system, an organization like PP won't be necessary because women will be able to access the healthcare they need through "normal channels" so to speak.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

6. YES and thank you for helping

some just look to twist

Search abortion in Scandinavia

all that can be said is sanity prevails

[deathrind]

36. It would be nice.

If people applied more objectivity and less emotion when replying sometimes.

You are correct in your post. Having said that it seems there would be no reason that the specialized healthcare PP provides with its existing infrastructure could not be part of the healthcare providers in a single payer system.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

38. this is what I have said

I will say I love PP

Would like them to be an important part of the Single Payer System

We all need good safe places to get the care we need from people that care and understand our issues

[deathrind]

42. I 100% agree. ;)

[jkbRN]

7. Hm,

But we would be able to expand reproductive healthcare under a single payer--so is it just the planned parenthood identity (history)? (Honest question)

[SoLeftIAmRight]

12. I do not want to jump to conclusions

your question is not clear to me

I will say I love PP

Would like them to be an important part of the Single Payer System

We all need good safe places to get the care we need from people that care and understand our issues

[SoLeftIAmRight]

11. insane - no - you should tell me that you are sorry

I will admit that my point might not have been made clearly

BTW - I average two books a week - and that is difficult because I include many very dense books

you were an ass

[SoLeftIAmRight]

21. single payer works

Last edited Sat Jan 9, 2016, 05:43 PM - Edit history (1)

The professional nursing practice environment and nurse-reported job outcomes in two European countries: a survey of nurses in Finland and the Netherlands

The working environment of nurses is receiving international interest, because there is a growing consensus that identifying opportunities for improving working conditions in hospitals is essential to maintain adequate staffing, high-quality care, nurses’ job satisfaction and hence their retention. Thus, the aim of this study was to investigate the relationship between nurse work environment characteristics and nurse-reported job outcomes in hospital settings in Finland and the Netherlands and to compare these results. A comparative cross-sectional nurse survey was conducted. Data were collected from the two countries randomly sampling the countries’ National Nurses Association’ membership databases. In this paper, the results from Registered Nurses working in hospital settings are used. In total, 869 hospital nurses participated: 535 from Finland and 334 from the Netherlands with the response rate of 44.9 and 33.4%, respectively. Fifty-five items from the Nursing Work Index-Revised were used as a main tool for the practice environment. Exploratory factor analysis was used to identify a set of internally consistent subscales. Further, logistic regression analysis and T-tests were used. Three practice environment characteristics were identified: adequacy of resources, supportiveness of management and assurance of care quality via collaborative relationships. Favourable evaluations of the adequacy of resources and supportiveness of management were positively correlated with nurse-assessed quality of care and job-related positive feelings and negatively correlated with intentions to leave a unit, organization or the entire profession. In neither of the participating countries were adverse incidents affecting nurses related to nurses’ evaluations of their current professional practice environment. Compared with Finland, in the Netherlands, RN appears to evaluate the majority of work environment characteristics more positively; nevertheless, to some extent, the results were uniform as adequacy of resources and supportiveness of management were main predictors for nurse-reported job outcomes considered.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1471-6712.2011.00920.x/abstract

[MADem]

26. You need to attribute that quote to the web page where you got it.

You need to link to the NIH or where ever you found that material.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

30. ok

looking

[MADem]

32. Google gives this:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22032723

You can edit your post and add it in if it is the right source where you got the material.

[Armstead]

9. I don't agree that's their motive -- But your underlying point is correct

We need a healthcare system where all women have access to the entire spectrum of healthcare on an affordable basis.

THAT's women's rights, as well as men's rights.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

18. Did not want to imply anything about motive

wrote fast a thought that popped into my thinking

I did not look before the leap - too often

[2pooped2pop]

10. oh, good point.

hadn't even thought of that.

[daleanime]

16. Interesting point....

[Betty Karlson]

17. That explains the endorsement.

It's not about poor judgement in pursuit of poor women's health: it's about vested elite interests.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

19. that was not my intent

I was not clear

I will say I love PP

Would like them to be an important part of the Single Payer System

We all need good safe places to get the care we need from people that care and understand our issues

[JoePhilly]

23. Let's get rid of PP so we can have single payer!!!!

Wait, wouldn't PP still be a provider?

They'd just get paid a different way?

Meh, screw them for endorsing Hillary!!

[RandySF]

29. Some people want to tear everything down

and things will get so bad that people call for some kind of revolution.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

33. some people want there to be ...

consequences to stupid

they made a mistake

it will bite

[JoePhilly]

41. What language is that?

[SoLeftIAmRight]

45. do you enjoy making fun of people that have learning dificulties

writing is difficult for me

higher degrees in mathematics - but writing like this hurts

I would like to say something very shitty to you but ...

I will say be well

[JoePhilly]

48. Having read many of your posts in this thread ...

... you should expect to get the same kind of responses back that you've been giving out.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

49. you did well for yourself

hope it works for you

[SoLeftIAmRight]

31. you must have liked playing twister

be well

[JoePhilly]

39. Well, after you put your hand on red ...

... I figured it was my turn.

PP endorsed Hillary to prevent Bernie from magically installing Single Payer thus ending the need for PP.

Its an interesting theory. I hope you stretched before posting it ... you could pull something.

[RandySF]

27. You assume

That in a single-payer scenario there won't be people out there passing laws to curb what services are provided. There will be Republican presidents and Congresses in the future as there will be right wing advocates lobbying them. We will still need PP.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

34. you assume that I assume

you are wrong

"cut it out"

I will say I love PP

Would like them to be an important part of the Single Payer System

We all need good safe places to get the care we need from people that care and understand our issues

[Gloria]

56. THey just survived a funding cut through the veto pen

It's fine to work toward better services...but you can see what has gone on with the ACA and contraception!!

We need to keep working on that score...and support an independent Planned Parenthood for at least SOME backup infrastructure for women...even if repro rights ever do get into some sort of gov. plan...Medicare has some services, we get the mammos as part of it, but try to get a Pap smear paid for...not automatic...

Younger women are even more under duress over all this crap....

[comradebillyboy]

28. Single payer doesn't appear to be a realistic option

until there are big Democratic majorities in the House and Senate. I don't expect to see Democrats getting the House majority until after the 2020 census and redistricting. For the foreseeable future PP will provide a pretty essential service.

[LexVegas]

35. Unreal. nt

[NorthCarolina]

37. Good point, hadn't thought of it that way but it would seem to make sense.

eom

[BooScout]

40. ...thus "pp would change or be gone"???

Simply because Sanders supports single payer???

You do understand that there is zero chance of congress passing a single payer health care system don't you? Just because Sanders supports single payer does not mean it is going to happen any time soon, if ever in our lifetimes. Sanders will never get a single payer system passed through congress. We barely got the ACA thru and that essentially took us 20 years to get that....and they will be fighting to repeal that for the rest of our lives.

[JoePhilly]

43. PP is apparently part of the conspiracy to keep Bernie from winning.

Or something.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

44. man will never go to the moon

late 1800's - head of patent office said something like- not much more to do - everything that will be invented has been -

much of the world has single payer - only people that do not really believe in the good ole USA think it can not be done here

[BooScout]

47. I happen to live in a country with single payer...

It takes two doctors to sign off on an abortion here in the UK. That means it's not always a woman's choice in a single payer country....despite having single payer.

In the meantime....until the US has single payer and IF single payer will give women an abortion don't you think we need to continue to fund and support PP? Who btw, also provides mammograms, pap smears, birth control and other women's health needs at little to no cost to them when their current insurance coverage may not or may charge them over and above what their insurance premiums would cover.

It sounds like you are saying Sanders will take care of it all so stopping support to PP no longer matters......when in fact, the reality is.....that we need to support PP for most likely years into the future.

My reality for women includes now and tomorrow....women need the help and support PP offers here in the present time, not some utopian future.

[mcar]

50. I see your

and raise you two and a

[stevenleser]

53. This is another "BLM is BAAAD, a Hillary shill organization!!!!11!!1!!111" type OP.

Any Liberal organization that doesn't sufficiently prostrate itself before Saint Bernard will get this treatment.

[Starry Messenger]

46. PP is necessary because of restrictions on women's access to care.

Something that would not necessarily go away under a different system. See: NHS and Northern Ireland

[Proserpina]

51. PP would be safe under Bernie

a totally legal and federally defended business. AND part of Universal Single Payer system of health CARE delivery.

[RichVRichV]

55. That's how I see it.

PP would go from being a provider/fundraiser to being a pure provider under single payer. If anything it would probably grow with full federal funding.