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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 08:41 AM Jan 2016

Kudos to PP for their endorsement of Hillary.

It was a good move. It strengthens their visibility on the political stage, and reinforces their cause, women's healthcare, as an important part of the Democratic Platform.

And it also helps Hillary out more than waiting until the primaries are over to endorse her. An endorsement now says that Hillary is the one they want to lead the country forward and protect women's health. After the primaries are over, basically all progressive organizations and Democratic politicians will endorse the nominee, which is very likely to be Hillary. But an endorsement now is a stronger vote of confidence. Otherwise, the endorsement might be interpreted by some as "we'll take any Democrat" or even "we kinda wanted someone else, but we'll go with what we have."

And with all Hillary's done for women's causes over the years, she definitely merits the enthusiastic endorsement that PP gave her. The PP-bashing we're seeing here, and the suggestion that they should have waited the primaries out, are ludicrous.

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Kudos to PP for their endorsement of Hillary. (Original Post) DanTex Jan 2016 OP
I believe PP has more clout... NCTraveler Jan 2016 #1
So, it looks like you are saying that if Sanders is president, PP will not work with him on djean111 Jan 2016 #2
No! That's NOT what he's (she's) saying. maddiemom Jan 2016 #10
I have read my post numerous times... NCTraveler Jan 2016 #12
A strange comparison conparing a politician to an issue and service organization Armstead Jan 2016 #35
And they have an excellent rationale ismnotwasm Jan 2016 #3
K & R Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #4
All the hand-wringing from those who didn't get PP's nod makes the endorsement mean so much more! NurseJackie Jan 2016 #5
Warren dpatbrown Jan 2016 #9
She's too smart for that. She won't endorse anyone until we have a nominee from each party. NurseJackie Jan 2016 #19
You hope so! dpatbrown Jan 2016 #32
I'd have mixed feelings if they endorsed Sanders Armstead Jan 2016 #36
I'm not impressed Larkspur Jan 2016 #6
facts do not count SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #7
fuel on the fire? SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #8
Really. I had thought this discussion had died a natural death. SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #13
There's only one logical reason why PP would insert themselves into the Dem primary... raindaddy Jan 2016 #11
Yes, obviously the conspiracy theory is the most logical explanation. DanTex Jan 2016 #18
It makes more sense than they really, really like Hillary sooo much..... raindaddy Jan 2016 #20
Well, they obviously like Hillary a lot, which given everything Hillary has done DanTex Jan 2016 #31
They've alienated more than a few angry white men.... raindaddy Jan 2016 #33
My defense of Richard's salary was not that the GOP complained about it. DanTex Jan 2016 #42
There you go again...spouting nonsense Armstead Jan 2016 #38
I didn't say that, as you know. DanTex Jan 2016 #41
The reason is establishment and vested interests: Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #22
Yep.. It couldn't be more obvious... raindaddy Jan 2016 #24
What makes you think PP would go away under Single Payer? joshcryer Jan 2016 #25
I agree. Luminous Animal Jan 2016 #40
Then they endorsed the wrong candidate! eom Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #44
A few Bernie supporters may not need PP but the rest of the country does leftofcool Jan 2016 #37
Good, even though it's a Quid Pro Quo RoccoR5955 Jan 2016 #14
... tammywammy Jan 2016 #21
Thanks from the biased piece. RoccoR5955 Jan 2016 #27
Why Does PP Screw Up Like This Yallow Jan 2016 #15
Umm, Goldman Sachs hasn't endorsed Hillary. But PP has, and soon Bernie will too. DanTex Jan 2016 #17
Sanders may endorse Clinton IF she wins the nomination. Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #23
If it happens, under the bus he goes. joshcryer Jan 2016 #26
And what will the Clinton Clan do RoccoR5955 Jan 2016 #28
crickets. nt restorefreedom Jan 2016 #30
Pearl clutching and couch fainting. leftofcool Jan 2016 #39
Count a great many Democratic congress folk as endorsers. I guess oasis Jan 2016 #29
I stand with Planned Parenthood Gothmog Jan 2016 #16
Kudos for what? MellowDem Jan 2016 #34
Ah, yes.. I see what you're saying, DanTex! Great point. Cha Jan 2016 #43
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
1. I believe PP has more clout...
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 09:23 AM
Jan 2016

Among house and senate democrats than does Sanders. I believe they are more effective at influencing legislation positive for women's reproductive rights than Sanders. Please note, that isn't saying one bad thing about Sanders with respect to women's rights.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
2. So, it looks like you are saying that if Sanders is president, PP will not work with him on
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 09:29 AM
Jan 2016

influencing legislation? How very interesting!

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
35. A strange comparison conparing a politician to an issue and service organization
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 05:35 PM
Jan 2016

Kinda apples and oranges

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
5. All the hand-wringing from those who didn't get PP's nod makes the endorsement mean so much more!
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 10:27 AM
Jan 2016

At first I didn't realize what an important endorsement it was until the other side/s started-in with their attacks. After that, I fully understood the impact of PP's endorsement of Hillary.

For all the bitterness about how bad it is for PP to endorse anyone at all... and how there was a "kid pro quo" ... everyone knows that Bernie's followers would be shouting it from the rooftops if PP had endorsed Bernie instead!

 

dpatbrown

(368 posts)
9. Warren
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 11:06 AM
Jan 2016

I think an endorsement from Warren will be much more effective, for either candidate, so lets see. You might still hear the shouting from the rooftops. Heck, if Sanders would have received PP's endorsement, it would have crushed Clinton's confidence, and her supporters. For Sanders, they can weather this storm. I do see Warren's endorsement this month, so hold your breath.

 

dpatbrown

(368 posts)
32. You hope so!
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 04:15 PM
Jan 2016

At the same time, I believe she was the only woman Dem senator who choice not to endorse when the others did. What that implies is anyone's guess.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
36. I'd have mixed feelings if they endorsed Sanders
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 05:38 PM
Jan 2016

As a Sanders supporter, I'd be happy.

But the objective part of me would still believe that organizations like that should not be choosing in primaries among candidates who are all supportive of their agenda. Needlessly divisive among their supporters.

 

Larkspur

(12,804 posts)
6. I'm not impressed
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 10:33 AM
Jan 2016

Both national PP and NARAL endorsed Holy Joe Lieberman over Ned Lamont in 2006 even though the CT chapters supported Lamont.

The national PP and NARAL boards are neo-liberal, so not impressed that they voted to endorse a neo-liberal for President.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
13. Really. I had thought this discussion had died a natural death.
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 11:17 AM
Jan 2016

Well, I haven't tried trashing an individual thread before, so I guess I'll give it a go.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
11. There's only one logical reason why PP would insert themselves into the Dem primary...
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 11:16 AM
Jan 2016

And has nothing to do with visibility on the political stage which makes no sense. They're already highly visible because the Republicans continually keep trying to de-fund them.

Why would a nonprofit dependent on donations from supporters what to risk alienating millions of liberals who are supporters?

The only logical reason is more of same corrupt political cronyism that exists in the DNC. They're scared to death that Sander's will be successful installing a single payer health care system, eliminating the greedy health insurance industry from taking their cut from basic heath care..

And if this were to happen Planned Parenthood would be marginalized along with the inflated $600,000 a year salary of PP president Cecile Richards which is $200,000 a year more than our President makes...

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
20. It makes more sense than they really, really like Hillary sooo much.....
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 12:29 PM
Jan 2016

that they're willing to alienate millions of supporters...

But I guess we can assume they're doing pretty well since PP President Cecile Richards is making $200,000 a year more than our President makes...
For a non-profit I think that's obscene.. That's a lot of money that could be going to protect women's health....

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
31. Well, they obviously like Hillary a lot, which given everything Hillary has done
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 03:48 PM
Jan 2016

for women's causes, makes perfect sense. In their estimation, and I agree with them, the endorsement was worth potentially alienating a few angry white men.

As far as Cecile Richard's salary, I recall the GOP complaining about that during her congressional grilling. Which was just as odd as you bringing it up here, but I guess enemies of PP need to find something to complain about. $600k per year is not very high for someone running a major organization like that, if she left PP and went into the for-profit sector she'd make much more.

Your conspiracy theory makes just as little sense as the many other conspiracy theories that Sanders supporters have floated in the past few months.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
33. They've alienated more than a few angry white men....
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 05:22 PM
Jan 2016

Pretty weak when your defense of Richard's salary is that Republicans complained about it. Of course they're going to complain about it because it's exorbitant. The median for nonprofit executives is around: $120,000.

PP is been around for 100 years and they've never endorsed in a primary.. But all of a sudden Hillary's slipping in Ohio and New Hampshire and they decide endorse her?

It's not like a PP endorsement is going to change the upcoming Hillary slide anyway...


DanTex

(20,709 posts)
42. My defense of Richard's salary was not that the GOP complained about it.
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 06:35 PM
Jan 2016

I brought that up as an example (one of many) of the anti-Hillary wing of the party converging with the far right.

$600K for leading PP is not exorbitant. It doesn't matter what the median is, PP is very far from your median nonprofit. Richards does her job well, and she could easily make many times $600K if she went into the private sector.

As for the 100 years thing...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251990333

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
38. There you go again...spouting nonsense
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 05:41 PM
Jan 2016

The only people who support Sanders are "a few angry white men."

Go to your room Dan. No supper for you.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
41. I didn't say that, as you know.
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 06:29 PM
Jan 2016

I was talking about the people who are lashing out at PP over this endorsement, withdrawing their (supposed) contributions, etc.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
22. The reason is establishment and vested interests:
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 12:40 PM
Jan 2016

with Sanders' single-payer health care plan, the need for PP would spectacularly decrease overnight.

PP is for the status quo, and so they picked the candidate who doesn't want to really reform anything.

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
25. What makes you think PP would go away under Single Payer?
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 02:08 PM
Jan 2016

Would all doctor offices magically disappear too?

Non-profits would thrive under single payer.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
37. A few Bernie supporters may not need PP but the rest of the country does
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 05:40 PM
Jan 2016

For every dollar you and the rest of the Bernie crowd with hold, the rest of us will quadruple. Simple math

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
14. Good, even though it's a Quid Pro Quo
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 11:35 AM
Jan 2016

After all, the President of Planned Parenthood's daughter is working for the Clinton campaign. It only makes sense that they endorse Hillary.

 

Yallow

(1,926 posts)
15. Why Does PP Screw Up Like This
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 11:46 AM
Jan 2016

So much for me supporting them.

PP and Goldman Sachs endorsed Hillary.

Seems kinda funny to me.....

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
17. Umm, Goldman Sachs hasn't endorsed Hillary. But PP has, and soon Bernie will too.
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 12:06 PM
Jan 2016

What will the Bernie crowd say when that happens?

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
23. Sanders may endorse Clinton IF she wins the nomination.
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 12:42 PM
Jan 2016

But the likelihood of Clinton's nomination decreases with every passing hour, So I don't worry very much about my preferred candidate endorsing a woman I will never trust.

oasis

(49,309 posts)
29. Count a great many Democratic congress folk as endorsers. I guess
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 03:11 PM
Jan 2016

they screwed up too.And unions galore. Did it ever occur to you that an overwhelming amount of institutions and individuals back Hillary because they believe she is best equipped to take on the responsibilities of POTUS?

MellowDem

(5,018 posts)
34. Kudos for what?
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 05:32 PM
Jan 2016

PP is trying to do what is best for their organization by endorsing the big establishment candidate they expect to win. That's not kudos worthy in and of itself.

Where people take exception is Hillary's stances on many other issues is very conservative compared to Sanders, so PP is endorsing indirectly those positions in order to boost their own organization. Understandable, but pretty much the opposite of idealism, very much political practicality, and that turns off a lot of people who are idealistic and care about issues where Hillary causes a lot of harm to people.

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