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Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 05:49 PM Jan 2016

FYI, when PP endorsed Kerry, he was the presumptive nominee. Edwards had dropped out 6 weeks

prior to the endorsement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2004#Dean_emerges_as_front-runner

In Super Tuesday, March 2, Kerry won decisive victories in the California, Connecticut, Georgia, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Ohio, and Rhode Island primaries and the Minnesota caucuses. Dean, despite having withdrawn from the race two weeks earlier, won his home state of Vermont. Edwards finished only slightly behind Kerry in Georgia but, failing to win a single state, chose to withdraw, making Kerry the presumptive nominee. President Bush called Senator Kerry to congratulate him that evening.

On March 11, after meetings with Democratic superdelegates in Washington, D.C., and former primary election opponents, Kerry accumulated the 2,162 delegates required to clinch the nomination. The DNC's website acknowledged him as the party's nominee at that time, four and a half months prior to the Convention.

On April 23, Action Fund President Gloria Feldt, alongside Senator Kerry at a noontime rally in Washington, DC, two days prior to the historic March for Women's Lives, formalized the endorsement with the following announcement:
“The Planned Parenthood Action Fund has never before endorsed a presidential candidate, but we have a moral obligation to the women of America to stand up for their rights, their health, their lives. ...


http://www.plannedparenthoodrx.com/ppvotes/PPAF-electionreport2004.pdf
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FYI, when PP endorsed Kerry, he was the presumptive nominee. Edwards had dropped out 6 weeks (Original Post) Luminous Animal Jan 2016 OP
Yep. This is the first time they've endorsed in the primary. TDale313 Jan 2016 #1
I still support them, as well. They do necessary and important work. Luminous Animal Jan 2016 #2
i still support pp questionseverything Jan 2016 #3
Yes, same here. TDale313 Jan 2016 #6
Most like to endorse a winner. That why it was done. yeoman6987 Jan 2016 #18
No. This is helping to create a winner. Chicken and egg. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #30
Yes, I thought they were uncorruptible "good guys" on a mission. senz Jan 2016 #26
maybe this is the lesson questionseverything Jan 2016 #34
Yes, one of life's toughest lessons senz Jan 2016 #35
Yes, sadly, me too. mountain grammy Jan 2016 #27
I still support PP. Just think this is an unforced error of judgment. highprincipleswork Jan 2016 #29
IOW - make an endorsement when it doesn't matter. brooklynite Jan 2016 #4
It is a rebuttal to the claim put forward by Hillary supporters that PP had endorsed Luminous Animal Jan 2016 #5
Bernie was the only Senator to miss the vote Progressive dog Jan 2016 #7
Link with more details TDale313 Jan 2016 #8
There is a reason why there was no link. Luminous Animal Jan 2016 #10
Try the link on the post that your reply is to. Progressive dog Jan 2016 #14
Like I said… Luminous Animal Jan 2016 #16
Yeah I read that, Bernie doesn't care to stand up Progressive dog Jan 2016 #11
I'm not sure you want to play this game. Hillary missed up to 80% of Senate votes during Luminous Animal Jan 2016 #22
He was there for the amendment votes. There for debate. TDale313 Jan 2016 #24
At the first debate HRC was the only candidate Progressive dog Jan 2016 #38
Two things; 1) Your response has zero relevance to the facts presented in my OP and 2) Luminous Animal Jan 2016 #9
He was the only Senator who thought that way Progressive dog Jan 2016 #12
It is their job to vote when in DC, which apparently, they were. Luminous Animal Jan 2016 #15
Except only Bernie didn't show up Progressive dog Jan 2016 #17
Good thing Hillary was there for the Iraq vote, eh? Luminous Animal Jan 2016 #20
And that has nothing to do with the PP vote Progressive dog Jan 2016 #37
Clinton missed 80% of her Senate votes in 2008. jeff47 Jan 2016 #32
Bernie was the only Senator missing the PP vote Progressive dog Jan 2016 #36
Clinton wants poor people to starve. jeff47 Jan 2016 #39
I don't believe Planned Parenthood has anything to do wih feeding the poor Progressive dog Jan 2016 #40
This may have been true... one_voice Jan 2016 #13
That overriding importance of symbolism over substance. He has shown his support many times over. Luminous Animal Jan 2016 #19
He's running for president w/o millions of dollars, a hoarde of servants, and MSM support. senz Jan 2016 #23
So why didn't Clinton show up to 80% of the Senate votes in 2008? jeff47 Jan 2016 #33
The Clintons manage to corrupt everything they touch. senz Jan 2016 #21
Yeah, seems like. TDale313 Jan 2016 #25
And then try to project, repuke style, their own corruption Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #31
So? They endorse when they decide to endorse. George II Jan 2016 #28

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
1. Yep. This is the first time they've endorsed in the primary.
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 05:53 PM
Jan 2016

I think it's a huge unforced error on their part. I still support them, but I think it'll alienate people who are natural allies at a time they could ill afford it. It just looks terrible.

questionseverything

(9,645 posts)
3. i still support pp
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 06:04 PM
Jan 2016

but for the first time in my life,i question their leadership

this is what is so heartbreaking to me

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
18. Most like to endorse a winner. That why it was done.
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 07:13 PM
Jan 2016

Kennedy wanted to endorse a winner and he did. Planned parenthood did the same thing. Good for them.

questionseverything

(9,645 posts)
34. maybe this is the lesson
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 01:48 PM
Jan 2016

there are no "good guys" coming to rescue us

we are gonna have to stand up and rescue ourselves

i will do that by supporting bernie

brooklynite

(94,377 posts)
4. IOW - make an endorsement when it doesn't matter.
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 06:11 PM
Jan 2016

If you feel one candidate will support your positions and is electable, and the other candidate will support your positions and is not, an endorsement makes sense.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
5. It is a rebuttal to the claim put forward by Hillary supporters that PP had endorsed
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 06:16 PM
Jan 2016

Kerry during the primaries. They did not.

Progressive dog

(6,899 posts)
7. Bernie was the only Senator to miss the vote
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 06:25 PM
Jan 2016

to remove Federal funding from Planned Parenthood. From Dec. 4 Forbes

The U.S. Senate voted 52-47 on Thursday to repeal key provisions of Obamacare including the removal of federal funding for Planned Parenthood. Only 99 of a possible 100 votes were cast — missing one Sen. Bernie Sanders (D-VT), who earlier this week was hailed as a champion supporter of Planned Parenthood by way of an impassioned speech on the Senate floor.

Progressive dog

(6,899 posts)
14. Try the link on the post that your reply is to.
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 06:58 PM
Jan 2016

I figured that Forbes is pretty easy to find and that you could always google it, since Senate votes are a matter of public record.

Progressive dog

(6,899 posts)
11. Yeah I read that, Bernie doesn't care to stand up
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 06:51 PM
Jan 2016

for ACA or for Planned Parenthood by actually voting. I'm sure the people of Vermont didn't elect him to not show up and vote. Only 1% of Senators missed that vote and that 1% was Bernie.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
22. I'm not sure you want to play this game. Hillary missed up to 80% of Senate votes during
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 07:24 PM
Jan 2016

her run against Obama. Surely, some of those were important votes.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/hillary_clinton/300022

Bernie's participation wasn't going to matter. The Senate republicans had it locked up. Not only that, they fast-tracked it so there could be no opportunity to filibuster it. A tactic that the Dems had used in the past to defeat similar measures against PP.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
24. He was there for the amendment votes. There for debate.
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 07:29 PM
Jan 2016

When it came time for the final vote, which was already a foregone conclusion, he had a plane to catch. Ya wanna make this a thing? Be my guest. Welcome to ignore.

Progressive dog

(6,899 posts)
38. At the first debate HRC was the only candidate
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 06:49 PM
Jan 2016

who thought the attacks on Planned Parenthood important enough to bring up. Then Bernie is the only Senator who was not present at the final vote on Planned Parenthood funding.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
9. Two things; 1) Your response has zero relevance to the facts presented in my OP and 2)
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 06:50 PM
Jan 2016

His vote would have made no difference and he was confident that Obama would veto it and that the veto would survive and override.

Simple.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
32. Clinton missed 80% of her Senate votes in 2008.
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 09:01 PM
Jan 2016

Do you really want to open this box? Because I'm sure I can find lots and lots of bills she skipped that will not sound good.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
39. Clinton wants poor people to starve.
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 11:19 AM
Jan 2016

She missed votes on funding bills in 2008 that include funding for several safety net programs. So clearly, she wants poor people to starve.

Again, this is not a good box for your side to open. You will be crushed by the results, because Clinton missed so many votes in 2008. There is a critical vote for every constituency in that 80%. Including funding that makes its way to Planned Parenthood.

And since it takes you almost a week to respond by regurgitating the same talking point, you will never be able to actually cover the results.

Progressive dog

(6,899 posts)
40. I don't believe Planned Parenthood has anything to do wih feeding the poor
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 04:26 PM
Jan 2016

or whether Hillary missed other votes. I'll bet though, that Hillary was never the only Senator not voting on a bill that was important to her constituents.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
13. This may have been true...
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 06:57 PM
Jan 2016
His vote would have made no difference and he was confident that Obama would veto it and that the veto would survive and override.


However showing up and voting shows unity. Shows your support regardless of whether your vote is *actually* needed, imo.
 

senz

(11,945 posts)
23. He's running for president w/o millions of dollars, a hoarde of servants, and MSM support.
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 07:25 PM
Jan 2016

He is scrambling to catch up with a rich, famous, powerful, unethical politician. He had to make a choice between casting a SYMBOLIC vote and meeting a necessary campaign obligation. As an American, I'm glad he's making the right choices. Much hangs in the balance.

Bernie has been pro-women's rights his entire life. He is solid. Don't ever doubt him on that.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
33. So why didn't Clinton show up to 80% of the Senate votes in 2008?
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 09:03 PM
Jan 2016

How 'bout Obama, who missed slightly fewer votes than Clinton in 2008?

"Unity" not matter back then?

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
21. The Clintons manage to corrupt everything they touch.
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 07:18 PM
Jan 2016

I'd love to understand why they operate that way.

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