2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumFYI, when PP endorsed Kerry, he was the presumptive nominee. Edwards had dropped out 6 weeks
prior to the endorsement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2004#Dean_emerges_as_front-runner
In Super Tuesday, March 2, Kerry won decisive victories in the California, Connecticut, Georgia, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Ohio, and Rhode Island primaries and the Minnesota caucuses. Dean, despite having withdrawn from the race two weeks earlier, won his home state of Vermont. Edwards finished only slightly behind Kerry in Georgia but, failing to win a single state, chose to withdraw, making Kerry the presumptive nominee. President Bush called Senator Kerry to congratulate him that evening.
On March 11, after meetings with Democratic superdelegates in Washington, D.C., and former primary election opponents, Kerry accumulated the 2,162 delegates required to clinch the nomination. The DNC's website acknowledged him as the party's nominee at that time, four and a half months prior to the Convention.
The Planned Parenthood Action Fund has never before endorsed a presidential candidate, but we have a moral obligation to the women of America to stand up for their rights, their health, their lives. ...
http://www.plannedparenthoodrx.com/ppvotes/PPAF-electionreport2004.pdf
TDale313
(7,820 posts)I think it's a huge unforced error on their part. I still support them, but I think it'll alienate people who are natural allies at a time they could ill afford it. It just looks terrible.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)questionseverything
(9,645 posts)but for the first time in my life,i question their leadership
this is what is so heartbreaking to me
TDale313
(7,820 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Kennedy wanted to endorse a winner and he did. Planned parenthood did the same thing. Good for them.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)questionseverything
(9,645 posts)there are no "good guys" coming to rescue us
we are gonna have to stand up and rescue ourselves
i will do that by supporting bernie
senz
(11,945 posts)but necessary.
So we do what we can.
Go Bernie!
mountain grammy
(26,598 posts)highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)brooklynite
(94,377 posts)If you feel one candidate will support your positions and is electable, and the other candidate will support your positions and is not, an endorsement makes sense.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Kerry during the primaries. They did not.
Progressive dog
(6,899 posts)to remove Federal funding from Planned Parenthood. From Dec. 4 Forbes
TDale313
(7,820 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Progressive dog
(6,899 posts)I figured that Forbes is pretty easy to find and that you could always google it, since Senate votes are a matter of public record.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Progressive dog
(6,899 posts)for ACA or for Planned Parenthood by actually voting. I'm sure the people of Vermont didn't elect him to not show up and vote. Only 1% of Senators missed that vote and that 1% was Bernie.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)her run against Obama. Surely, some of those were important votes.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/hillary_clinton/300022
Bernie's participation wasn't going to matter. The Senate republicans had it locked up. Not only that, they fast-tracked it so there could be no opportunity to filibuster it. A tactic that the Dems had used in the past to defeat similar measures against PP.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)When it came time for the final vote, which was already a foregone conclusion, he had a plane to catch. Ya wanna make this a thing? Be my guest. Welcome to ignore.
Progressive dog
(6,899 posts)who thought the attacks on Planned Parenthood important enough to bring up. Then Bernie is the only Senator who was not present at the final vote on Planned Parenthood funding.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)His vote would have made no difference and he was confident that Obama would veto it and that the veto would survive and override.
Simple.
Progressive dog
(6,899 posts)and didn't vote.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Progressive dog
(6,899 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Progressive dog
(6,899 posts)where Sanders was the only Senator who chose not to vote.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Do you really want to open this box? Because I'm sure I can find lots and lots of bills she skipped that will not sound good.
Progressive dog
(6,899 posts)The only one out of 100.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)She missed votes on funding bills in 2008 that include funding for several safety net programs. So clearly, she wants poor people to starve.
Again, this is not a good box for your side to open. You will be crushed by the results, because Clinton missed so many votes in 2008. There is a critical vote for every constituency in that 80%. Including funding that makes its way to Planned Parenthood.
And since it takes you almost a week to respond by regurgitating the same talking point, you will never be able to actually cover the results.
Progressive dog
(6,899 posts)or whether Hillary missed other votes. I'll bet though, that Hillary was never the only Senator not voting on a bill that was important to her constituents.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)However showing up and voting shows unity. Shows your support regardless of whether your vote is *actually* needed, imo.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)He is scrambling to catch up with a rich, famous, powerful, unethical politician. He had to make a choice between casting a SYMBOLIC vote and meeting a necessary campaign obligation. As an American, I'm glad he's making the right choices. Much hangs in the balance.
Bernie has been pro-women's rights his entire life. He is solid. Don't ever doubt him on that.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)How 'bout Obama, who missed slightly fewer votes than Clinton in 2008?
"Unity" not matter back then?
senz
(11,945 posts)I'd love to understand why they operate that way.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)onto others.