Planned Parenthood’s Facebook page filling with outraged supporters

[stupidicus]

So PP is getting some much deserved bizness eh? I can certainly understand their effort to preserve the org, which might be in some trouble should this country get the much needed single-payer it deserves, which is why the country deserves at least someone who'll advocate for it.

And that ain't the wife of the great "reformer".

Since Planned Parenthood’s endorsement of Hillary Clinton, many of the abortion group’s supporters have been in disbelief. Planned Parenthood’s Facebook page continues to fill with incensed expressions of outrage – not from pro-lifers, but from PP’s own former supporters.

Many are assuring Planned Parenthood that they will no longer send donations, and that they are “unliking” PP’s Facebook page or unsubscribing from PP emails. Women and men are expressing anger over their general sentiment that Hillary Clinton has oppressed vulnerable women. They are telling PP that the endorsement is evidence of cronyism and corruption, and some are even agreeing that it is time for Planned Parenthood to be defunded.

Some are pointing out what they believe is a conflict of interest, as PP President Cecile Richard’s daughter, Lily Adams, works for the Clinton campaign.

http://liveactionnews.org/planned-parenthoods-facebook-page-filling-with-outraged-supporters/

[SheilaT]

1. And here's another thing:

If Hillary really were vastly more popular than Bernie, wouldn't you think her supporters would have come forward in even greater numbers to make up for the lost donations?

[OilemFirchen]

4. What makes you think they've lost donations?

And, if so, what makes you think that Clinton supporters haven't made up the difference?

[SheilaT]

13. Well, I keep on seeing reports of how many people

have expressed dismay on the FB page, how many have cancelled donations, and I'm not seeing any reports that Clinton supporters are making up the difference. Care to show me a link that indicates they have?

[1StrongBlackMan]

35. Aren't you assuming that those saying they are cancelling donations ...

donated in the first place?

This IS the internet after all.

[Agschmid]

141. Yup...

[1StrongBlackMan]

163. I suspect these are the same folks that ...

Marched with Martin (at the age of 3), and donated to, canvassed, and voted for (President) Obama 5 times ... per their internet claims.

[OilemFirchen]

81. I just sent them $100 million.

And I'm not even a "Hillary supporter".

[Android3.14]

157. Spot on SheilaT

Notice how they avoid engaging the question you asked? Avoid, dissemble, redirect. It's further evidence that outside interests have manufactured her "support".

[840high]

184. Go look at the comments.

[OilemFirchen]

220. Big deal.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251992133#post81

[stupidicus]

25. they should at least drown the detractors out

it's the same as with the "unscientific polls" -- we're supporsed to believe that only BS supporters will do the necessary clicking, etc.

[1StrongBlackMan]

40. Why? ...

Why would someone that doesn't believe/care about the efficacy of online stuff, send their time doing online stuff?

[libdem4life]

160. (Psst...they don't. It's one of those imagination thingys)

[1StrongBlackMan]

164. I can tell you ...

besides the occasional DU poll, I refuse to participate in any online poll ... I learned my lesson after doing two polls, and having my inbox flooded with solicitations and "special offers".

[libdem4life]

169. I'm still searching for "unsubscribe" buttons...Should have told me sooner...LOL.

[mythology]

117. Except part of the reason that unscientific internet polls aren't valid

is because an angry group has far more incentive to be vocal than a happy group. When was the last time you went to a store's customer service to say that the person who helped you was great? Or do you go when you got overcharged?

[840high]

185. Disagree with you.

[Kalidurga]

2. They should stop

Sure it's a bad idea to endorse Hillary for a whole lot of reasons. But, PP is the only health care a lot of women are able to access. I think it's a bad idea to take anger out on vulnerable people even if you don't like who is taking care of them.

[stupidicus]

29. I'll agree with that

but I'm also sympathetic to the idea that it's the only action PP, or should I say their "leader" will listen to.

It's no diff from the "lack of consequences" arguments being raised about the rightwingnut fed building occupiers.

[jberryhill]

113. I am disappointed

...but what they did, they did. There is a line between expressing disappointment and being unproductive.

PP does, contrary to the political noise, draw support across partisan lines, and if there is a consequence from that among actual donors as opposed to "people posting stuff on the Internet" then it is what it is.

If one does donate to PP, then this is a folkish reason not to continue to do so.

I missed the annual "Salvation Army Bell Ringer Bucket" war this year on DU, and the usual lobbing of "they do a lot of good work" against "they have political and religious ideas I despise".

People will do what they do, and the hooting and hollering doesn't have much to do with it either way.

[stupidicus]

118. me too

I can see both sides of the debate here -- the "debate" being fund witholding -- and think it's one of those situations where a person has to let their own conscience be their guide.

As far as the decision that led to that quandary, well, I have to agree with the angered ones.

[one_voice]

83. Nice post.

[Tom Rinaldo]

110. Yes they should stop, but this was PP shooting itself in the foot

We all know dozens if not hundreds of people, who doesn't know some folks who get too emotional over something and over react? Some of this type reaction was totally predictable. anyone who couldn't see this coming was blind and not serving the best interests of PP. There are million of people planning to vote in the Democratic primaries, many of them have strong feelings. Planned Parenthood always understood this in the past and they never endorsed a Democrat until it was clear he or she was going to be the nominee. Hell Hillary herself was a candidate before in 2008 and they didn't jump the gun and endorse her before the primaries began then. They waited as long as it took to see which Democrat would get the nomination and then endorsed Obama in July that year.

I strongly support Planned Parenthood, I urge people to continue to fund them, but someone in the organization should be reprimanded internally for thrusting PP smack dab into a divisive situation when they had been experiencing near universal strong support from Democrats.

[Kalidurga]

116. I agree with what you are saying

PP did what is called an unforced error. I think that we would be right to call them on this. But, if one was a donor they shouldn't withhold funds they were going to give to PP. If one wasn't a donor and just a patient or client which ever term you prefer. Then they should continue going there.

I prefer the action of pushing for universal health care myself, then PP won't be an issue so much and perhaps they can convert their clinics to general medical clinics and serve everyone. I have a hunch that many areas are as devoid of health care facilities as they are places to buy food.

[CorporatistNation]

168. AGREED... However Insider Cronyism And Corruption Are Carrying The Day W/ PP!

Probably the result of Arm Twisting as Clinton Inc goes ballistic as the inevitability "thing" begins its crumble into chaos! The "Desperation" is showing...

[liberal_at_heart]

182. I disagree. Politicians and Organizations need to be held accountable. It is a

conflict of interest for the President of PP to endorse Hillary when her daughter works for the Clinton campaign. This is a clear case of cronyism and needs to be addressed. All they have to do to stir clear of a conflict of interest is to stay neutral and not endorse anyone. I'm tired of hearing that we shouldn't criticize people because they help people. Yes they help people. That does not mean they can do anything they want and not be criticized for it. What would happen if PP endorsed Trump? Would you still say they shouldn't be criticized? No one is above criticism.

[840high]

186. +1

[Art_from_Ark]

197. +2

[NikolaC]

206. I Agree

While I disagree with their endorsing Hillary Clinton, I believe that Planned Parenthood is a much needed organization. To take away much needed funding from PP means less services for women who desperately need them. We do not yet have SP, so what are all those women supposed to do if they are unable to seek the assistance that they need from PP? Again, while I do not agree with their endorsement, I think that it is very short sighted and wrong to take out the disappointment and anger on PP in this manner. I hope that those doing so would reconsider. I'm sure that Bernie and O'Malley would not agree with what is going on.

[FarPoint]

3. How much do you want to bet....

99.9% are Trolls....not Democrats.... The troll groups are extremely common. Planned Parenthood for one has experienced their spam many times in the past. This is reality in a media fixed culture.

[applegrove]

12. +100

[JoePhilly]

20. YUP ... some of them are probably here on DU too.

[sufrommich]

26. No doubt about it.nt

[RoccoR5955]

33. If you have no doubt

about the trolls who are RepubliCONs, can you at least name a few of them please?
Thank you very much.

[sufrommich]

36. Right. I'd say anyone who's OK with anti choice bullshit on DU

is a fucking troll.

[RoccoR5955]

42. Interesting

because I personally know many folks, perhaps not on DU, who are "anti-choice," but have extremely Liberal views.
I don't think that one issue can make someone a troll.
Oh, and you failed to answer my question. CAN you name at least a few, or are you just blowing smoke?

[JTFrog]

139. Exactly.

Not only are they fucking trolls but they stand with the most disgusting people in this country. Fuck them and anyone who thinks like them.

[KittyWampus]

149. Sure, after Sanders tells use which bankers he'd have arrested.

[kjones]

188. You gotta vote for him to find out...

hey wait...wasn't that one of the lines they used to attack Hillary?

[stupidicus]

31. nothing

I know a few that did that aren't.

but speculate away, no?

[1StrongBlackMan]

49. I would guess ...

they are being spammed by the same folks that spammed every union the has endorsed HRC.

[oasis]

134. Yup. The same old organized spamfest aimed at Hillary endorsers.

We've seen this movie more than a few times.

[Fawke Em]

67. You'd lose that bet.

I know who some of the people are and they're most certainly NOT trolls.

Besides, this is Facebook where most people use their real names. Not Twitter where you can make up a name.

[one_voice]

91. you can have multiple facebook accounts. I know people that have as many...

as 10. They use them for those online games. I only have one, so I'm very careful about where I comment.

[kjones]

190. Oh, so all the people who follow/endorse Hillary on media are fake...

but all the people who attack PP, Hillary, and follow/endorse Bernie
are definitely real, because like...you know some of them.

Sounds like how polls are bad, unless they show Bernie on a rise.

Or media shills to sheeple...or something like that...unless Bernie's
on today.

Oh, or unions, yeah, they must be bought too if they endorse
Hillary...completely going against their members for the sake of
unspecified nefarious reasons...well, unless they endorse Bernie.

And likewise MIC interests (like, guns, fighter jets, whatever)
Or weather-vaning and checking which way the wind blows (oh, idk,
like NH guns again. Gotta get those hunter votes!)

[one_voice]

84. yep. divide and conquer.

[libdem4life]

159. Trolls...good answer. Beep (with an X) One behind every tree, I mean,

one behind every post __(left blank purposely)____________ doesn't like. Nary one gets out of DU except they be labelled a Troll by one non-Troll at some time or other.

[pangaia]

5. Why would PP be in trouble if Single Payer Health Care comes to be?

[stupidicus]

34. what would they be needed for

if their services can be gotten anywhere?

[pangaia]

45. Am I wrong in assuming that most of their services

are already offered at clinics, doctor's offices, hospitals etc, except for abortions?
Serious question.

Perhaps I am even more ignorant than I thought.

thanks..

[tammywammy]

88. So you think those doctors are just going to disappear?

Single payer doesn't mean these places would close. Why wouldn't someone that's been a patient somewhere with a doctor continue care there? Single payer would actually benefit Planned Parenthood.

Remember only 3% of their services are for abortions.

[pangaia]

121. I didn't know. That is why I asked, tammywammy.

THAT, in fact was what I would have guessed, that single payer would actually HELP PP.

[tammywammy]

124. Didn't mean to sound curt

Yes, single payer would help organizations and community clinics because that currently require extensive fundraising to provide support to their patients.

[pangaia]

125. Thanks.

[stupidicus]

108. exactly

none of which that require

In the fiscal year ending June 30, 2014, total revenue was US$1.3 billion: non-government health services revenue was US$305 million, government revenue (such as Medicaid reimbursements) was US$528 million, private contributions totaled US$391 million, and US$77 million came from other operating revenue.[53

to stay above water.

There's no need for example, for the private contributions under discussion here under a single payer program, but can they survive as an org without them -- is the question.

We need Planned Parenthood. ObamaCare’s expansion of coverage options provides free sexual and reproductive health services, but millions fall in the Medicaid gap in states that didn’t expand Medicaid, and millions more have yet to get coverage through the Health Insurance Marketplace.

Planned Parenthood gives millions of low-income men and women in non-expansion states somewhere to turn for reproductive health services, education, and information. Even in states that expanded Medicaid, Planned Parenthood helps both those with and without insurance including those with Marketplace coverage. Free birth control, cancer screenings related to sexual health, STI screenings, and maternity care may be covered under ObamaCare, but even people with coverage still need a place to get those services.

The role Planned Parenthood plays in our society goes beyond the services that a family doctor, hospital, or even community health centers can provide in some regions. Below we take a look at what Planned Parenthood really does and how ObamaCare (the Affordable Care Act) affects things.

http://obamacarefacts.com/2015/07/23/do-we-still-need-planned-parenthood/

single payer would render all that moot, no?

[NorthCarolina]

73. Didn't they start as more of a counselling service?

Could they not still do that under a single payer system?

[emulatorloo]

115. Of course, and still be a healthcare provider as well.

[Hekate]

174. No they did not start out as a counseling service,whatever that means. PP has always offered medical

...services in the form of physical examinations, sex education, and dispensing of contraceptive devices and medications. They have always had nurses and doctors on-site. They never provided abortion services until that became legal, after Roe vs Wade.

From the beginning, a century ago, their founder Margaret Sanger, a Registered Nurse, was harassed, sued, dragged into court and jailed for having the courage to educate and treat women who had no other recourse for their reproductive needs. Rich women had society doctors -- all others were pretty much doomed to have a baby a year until they either kicked their husbands out of bed or their health broke completely down.

To this very day, clinic workers, volunteers, doctors and nurses are subject to harassment, stalking, and murder by homegrown terrorists trying to "save the babies." The entirely legal abortion services provided by PP amount to a whopping 3% of services provided. Pap smears, breast cancer screenings, screening and treatment for STDs, prenatal care -- often this is the only care these patients can get.

For poor women, for teenagers, for all those in need of reproductive health services and education, PP stands alone. Wishing for single payer health care will not make the need for PP go away, because state by state anti-choice sexist and mysogynist legislators have been doing their utmost to deny poor women and girls access to the health care they so desperately need, and those assholes will never give up.

I stand with Planned Parenthood. Always have. Always will.

[Kentonio]

194. +1000

[JoePhilly]

199. The GOP would not allow federal dollars to pay for abortion.

Or do you think single payer magically gets rid of that problem?

Your attack on PP is transparent.

[Hekate]

208. Ah yes, the Hyde Amendment. Thanks for bringing that up. Not one cent of federal money, ever. nt

[hollysmom]

6. I don't play that way, I might complain but wouldn't stop supporting something

if I believed in their program. I might badger them a bit but not hold out on donations.

[wyldwolf]

7. So?

I'm glad PP isn't bending to the petulant and perpetual poutrage.

You'll all be out of your misery on March 2.

[stupidicus]

37. hardly

bernie will either win or we can look forward to years ridiculing the other clinton.

It's a win/win, except maybe for the country.

Who do you think she should bomb next?

[wyldwolf]

43. But before you spend years "ridiculing the other Clinton"

We can look forward to months where you can't. At least not here.

[DawgHouse]

8. This is a terrible right wing source.

[still_one]

136. worse than that, it is a rabid anti-abortion site. This is a riot

http://liveaction.org/lilarose/

"Lila founded Live Action when she was fifteen years old. The group utilizes investigative journalism to expose the Abortion Industry’s threats against the vulnerable and defenseless. Live Action uses the results of these investigations to reveal the humanity of the unborn – to inspire the nation to take action to end abortion in America through new media.

As Live Action’s president, Lila leads undercover investigations into America’s most notorious abortion facilities, shining a light on the greatest human rights abuse of our time through national media campaigns. Live Action runs stealth education programs, targeted at changing hearts and minds about abortion thought, overseeing the largest pro-life social media platform on the web, including over 1 million Facebook fans and over 58,000 followers on Twitter. Live Action also hosts Live Action News, a widely read pro-life news site."

[Amimnoch]

226. Yeah, but it's a Sanders thread so that's okay.

Right wing source + pro Sanders rheteric (or anti-Clinton) = Okay, un-hidable.

Right wing source + pro Clinton (or Anti-Sanders) = hide.

They hypocrisy is palpable.

As Skinner pointed out.. here on this site it's 6-1.

[OilemFirchen]

9. Some more headlines from Live Action News:

New video shows Planned Parenthood’s ‘illicit moneymaking’ from baby parts

Abortion training manual says avoid saying “baby” – use “fetus” or “pregnancy” instead

Late-term abortionist LeRoy Carhart sends another patient to the ER

California pedophile used Planned Parenthood to cover rape

What Katie Couric didn’t show you: Babies stored in freezers

[stupidicus]

41. so none of this is found on their FP page?

you should sue them, right away!!!

[OilemFirchen]

66. What the fuck is an "FP page"?

And what the fuck are you talking about?

[emulatorloo]

10. You are promoting a virulently >>ANTI-CHOICE<< source to score cheap political points

[senz]

22. What a mess PP created by endorsing one prochoice candidate against another one.

Angering thousands and thousands of prochoice supporters.

PP made this mess themselves.

[emulatorloo]

30. There are several articles on "liveactionnews" that smear and vilify Bernie Sanders

If you think this source is so great and want to send traffic to them, you should start a few OP's quoting those hit-pieces on Bernie.

The enemy of my 'enemy' is NOT my friend.

[senz]

39. I am not defending the source. It was a mistake to use that source.

And how dare you accuse me of "thinking this source is so great." I've already said what I think of the source.

But the story itself is true: FB commenters are all over PP over this endorsement. I saw it yesterday -- much anger at PP.

PP made a mess for themselves.

[emulatorloo]

95. I do see you've expressed yr distaste for the source below, and I am glad to see that.

"But the story itself is true: FB commenters are all over PP over this endorsement. I saw it yesterday -- much anger at PP. "

You and I both know the truth of the story from threads yesterday. And the those threads used sources that weren't right wing.

Was great you suggest the OP find another source.

As to the larger questions about sources:

I honestly don't care much for the 'yes the website is an extremist rightwing site, but the story is true' defense.

If Rick Snyder said something true, he would still be poisoning the people of Flint.

To break it down a little.

- I don't beleive that DU should be used to send web-traffic to support and promote rightwing viewpoints. That is enabling them. Helping them charge more money for ad space.

- generally any truth found on rightwing websites is then 'massaged' and 'manipulated' to trash progressives. For example see the article there on Bernie entitled "Bernie Sanders smears men, belittles women in abortion tweet" from 12-09-15. That's indeed a true tweet that Bernie sent. The rest is not-stop anti-Bernie anti-Choice truth twisting smears. THESE SITES ARE NOT TRUTH-TELLERS and never will be.

- Lastly those who cite Breitbart, Drudge, The Moonie Times, Ann Coulter when they produce something anti-HRC do not seem to realize or acknowledge that they playing into the hands of the same propagandists who will smear Bernie non-stop after he wins Iowa and New Hampshire. As I said before, the enemy of my enemy is not my friend.

Hope that clarifies why I react strongly to the use of right-wing sources.

Have a great night.

[stupidicus]

44. no, I am merely promoting the facts

get back with me when you can show that these things ain't happening, no?

[emulatorloo]

104. You're sending web traffic to liveactionnews. That's promoting the website

There are other sources for the Facebook/PP story in yesterday's threads. Those sources aren't ANTI-CHOICE and don't write LYING EDITORIALS about Bernie like liveactionnews does.

I am sure if you try you can find a source that isn't anti-choice, anti-women, and doesn't lie about Bernie.

[stupidicus]

114. cry me another river

there'a logjam down stream

[etherealtruth]

142. Facts ... which facts might those be?

Anti-abortion idiots don't like democrats ... yep, that's a fact

[Bobbie Jo]

162. You're doing no such thing.

Is thread is an embarrassment.

[Hekate]

176. What things? The little legs kicking, the little heart beating? WTF. That site LIES.

And you brought it here. Good work.

[stevenleser]

99. Unfortunately, like many of your fellow Bernie supporters, this one operate under the

"any port in a storm" and "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" philosophies.

They also believe that anyone who supports Hillary must be destroyed.

The rag referenced here referred to Planned Parenthood as "the abortion group", that is how screwed up that source is.

[Hekate]

11. Christ on a trailer hitch, a jury has voted 3-4 to let this stand, despite the lying source.

[JTFrog]

151. Yep. Same fucking people involved in the fake PP "sting" videos.

Fucking pathetic how low some folks here will go to attack Hillary.

[senz]

14. A just response. I suggest suspending donations for a short period of time

to make sure they get the message. Maybe two to three months?

[pennylane100]

144. I will not donate to them until the primary has been decided.

Regardless of who our democratic candidate is, we need Planned Parenthood for all those who do not have access to health care. However, until then, I will only give to Bernie. We will never get to single payer without him.

However, if Hillary wins, we must support her as the alternative is just horrible to think about. Trump or Cruz must not be elected under any circumstances. Plus, Hillary would probably make a decent president and we will finally have a woman as our leader. Not as good as having Bernie but she is a lot more qualified than the freak show that has now taken over the GOP.

[seabeyond]

15. War on women Democratic angle. Lovely. Something for each Sanders supporter to be proud of.

Another opportunity missed by Sanders to stand up for women telling his supporters to knock it the fuck off. Another example with his inability or lack of desire to stand up and speak out for women.

[sadoldgirl]

23. Political decisions have consequences, that includes PP.

[senz]

60. Precisely. Slapping half your supporters in the face is not wise.

Hope they're learning that.

[seabeyond]

80. Ah, so if they don't do what you want then war on women is justified. Got it

[stevenleser]

100. Yup. See my #99. Any person or group that supports Hillary is to be destroyed

That is the screwed up philosophy of many Sanders supporters.

That also goes for anyone or anything that appears to criticize Bernie. (i.e BLM late in the summer) there is no person, group, or cause these folks won't throw under the bus.

[seabeyond]

128. Confirmation to every time we questioned Sanders capabilities with social justice issues.

He as his supporters continue to prove us right. The difference between a dem and economic socialist.

[Hekate]

178. Now that is a cogent point that becomes starker and starker. nt

[sadoldgirl]

133. No, but if they choose to go into the

political arena, then they are taking risks.

Don't forget a lot of repug women support them too.

If they want to stay successful, they should appeal
to women without getting into politics.

[seabeyond]

147. There should be NO risk with fellow Dems. Womens lives matter. You and others say no, Sanders is

More important. What is that?

[1StrongBlackMan]

148. Perhaps ...

if they choose to go into the political arena, then they are taking risks.

But I doubt if PP had endorsed Bernie ...there would be calls on DU to defund it. What do you think?

[stupidicus]

47. like a hate for SP, love of clusterbombs and needless wars?

eom

[seabeyond]

94. Wtf, right? Because women issues are just that insignificant to you, time to redirect conversation.

[Dawson Leery]

96. Time to find a REAL Democrat to replace Bernie in 2018.

[seabeyond]

126. I think so. I think he broke the pact selling his vote to not have a viable Dem to run against. Nt

[Doctor_J]

173. Sanders is for SP Healthcare. that would benefit women

So would the $15 minimum wage. Your sexism doesn't help Hillary much.

[Hekate]

180. while you and other dream on about single payer, doctors are being stalked, some murdered....

...clinics closed with bogus regulations, poor women forced to drive a couple of hundred miles for necessary health care. There's your sexism and misogyny.

PP will always stand with women. I will always stand with PP.

[NCTraveler]

211. +1 nt.

[senz]

16. stupidicus, I'm sure you can find another source & edit your OP.

I saw some of the angry FB responses to PP yesterday, so we know the story itself is true.

[JoePhilly]

21. Maybe Drudge has something on it.

[senz]

28. Joe, this is becoming predictable.

I've asked before about this exaggeration/sarcasm posting style. I know there's substance within you and wish you would bring it out. It's not necessary to spit out these sour insults in lieu of logical argument or facts. I wish you'd think about this. I know that my style has problems, too. I'm way too wordy and sometimes too abstract. We should try to be lifelong learners, okay?

[JoePhilly]

32. Get a sense of humor.

I have no confidence that the author of this OP will find a "better" source for this nonsense.

If you have one ... you could help them out.

Logically, I find it hard to believe that any real democrat or Bernie supporter would be attacking PP with the vitriol we're seeing.

If you think otherwise ... you should feel free to explain and defend that position.

[senz]

51. Yesterday someone posted a link to the PP FB page with many angry comments

so I've seen them; they're real.

I don't have a FB account.

But I do understand and share the anger of Bernie supporters against PP for attempting to manipulate the Democratic primary when BOTH candidates are thoroughly prochoice. They are slapping the rest of us in the face.

And also, I am bowled over and very pleased to see you commenting logically and reasonably. Thanks for that.

[onehandle]

17. CLICKY-CLICKY!

The Internets have spoken-ish!

[wyldwolf]

27. the difference between 'freeping' and 'berning' a poll/discussion?

Freepers admitted the practice and basked in their supposed cleverness.

Berners have convinced themselves it's grassroots uprising.

[OilemFirchen]

93. This one includes a special bonus:

"Live Action News" readers posing as Berniacs.

It doesn't get much more rich than that.

[sufrommich]

18. Does anyone have the jury results for this disgusting OP?

Dear Bernie supporters who allowed this to stand,when you start using anti choice websites to attack Planned Parenthood,you've lost whatever high ground you imagined you had. This place has jumped the fucking shark.

[DawgHouse]

61. Jury results

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This link is a notorious right wing anti abortion site.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Jan 10, 2016, 07:15 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: meh.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This is from the extreme right wing source that is responsible for the proliferation of "undercover sting" videos. Not appropriate for DU.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: RW crap doesn't belong here.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

[sufrommich]

70. Interesting that no one who voted to leave chose to give a reason.Thanks.

[etherealtruth]

103. What could they possibly say?

That they think right wing virulent ANTI-ABORTION sites are A-OK?

[DawgHouse]

106. Their silence says it all.

[1StrongBlackMan]

152. They could be honest and say ...

"Yay, Bernie ... Feel the bern!!!!"

[OilemFirchen]

167. Or...

I AM STUPIDICUS!

[senz]

172. Not true. One of them said, "Meh."

[ChiciB1]

19. SOMETIMES, Endorsements Aren't Really Helping THEIR Candidate

at all. I've seen hundreds and hundreds of these types of articles. Maybe someone should put on a "thinking cap" before they do something like this. I'm a female and this has really angered me greatly and so many of my females friends! We support Women's Rights, but WE DON'T support being SOLD OUT!

Is PP really who they say they are?? Ann Richards was such a wonderful person, WHY would her daughter allow this to happen???

[sufrommich]

24. "Is PP really who they say they are?"

What the fuck does that even mean?

[stupidicus]

54. I found it a bit mind boggling

and most of the responses here whining about the source do nothing to alleviate that or to rebut that posted.

there was no special need for them to break their own tradition in this case, which makes suspicion of ulterior motives reasonable imo

[Trajan]

64. We dont disagree with the story, necessarily ...

But, we still don't like using right wing propaganda sites to demean a Democrat ... It's a simple and old rule ... We prefer you find a more balanced source ... I totally agree that progressives are PISSED about the PP action, but that doesn't remove the stigma of using a right wing website to criticize Democrats on a forum dedicated to Democrat Party members, specifically ...

[stupidicus]

75. to be honest

I didn't pay any attention to the source, and largely because it was likely linked from a decidedly "lefty" source itself, given that's about all I frequent.

Apparently they don't have or follow such a policy, and it's one I wouldn't agree with anyway.

Facts don't care about their origins or who propagates them

[etherealtruth]

123. oh Boo hoo

Use a rabid anti-abortion site as a source .... and be astounded that people don't care what you have to say ....????

[Empowerer]

38. Why do people assume that Facebook and other social media accurately reflect public opinion?

Sometimes they just reflect the views of the people who have computers, access to the internet and lots of time on their hands . . .

[stupidicus]

56. true

but when the majority have all of the above in likely equal measure, except maybe the time thing

it's doubtfull that was an impediment over this issue alone though

[MineralMan]

46. Yeah? Well, my wife and I just mailed PP

an extra $100 donation, and didn't post on their Facebook page. I don't post on such Facebook pages.

[sufrommich]

52. Thanks,I'm a monthly donor and sent an extra

donation yesterday.

[MineralMan]

59. Well, if some are going to withhold support, it's

up to the rest of us to help them continue their essential work. We donated more to counter those who are being foolish. I suspect that many never supported them in the first place, though.

[sufrommich]

65. I doubt they'll take a hit,as you said,it's most likely

most of them weren't PP donors anyway.The only thing this OP proves is the there's a concerted effort to attack their Facebook page from trolling morons.

[stupidicus]

57. thank goodness

eom

[Starry Messenger]

48. Not sure why going and shitting in someone's (digital) living room is anything to brag about.

[stupidicus]

58. not sure who's bragging

eom

[Starry Messenger]

179. "So PP is getting some much deserved bizness eh?"

Sorry, approbation. Approval. Your rather confused opening sentence signaled an attaboy tone.

[Prism]

50. People need to knock it off

Sure, the leadership made a foolish, self-damaging decision to pick sides in an internecine fight, but I'm not prepared to hold hostage the poor and needy who need access to services that sometimes only the local Planned Parenthood provides.

I get the anger, but withholding donations doesn't hurt the people at the top. It denies care for the people at the bottom.

[DesertFlower]

62. i agree. nt

[stupidicus]

63. I'm a tad torn myself

but think it should remain on the list of reasons why it was a bad decision on their part

[etherealtruth]

53. Why are you linking to a horrific right wing anti-abortion web site?

I can't believe that links like this are used on DU. The site and the "articles" at that site are purely horrible anti abortion at its very most sickening.

I have no idea what point you have wanted to make by linking to a site like this?????????

[sufrommich]

55. Not just linked to but survived a jury.

[etherealtruth]

69. How the F*** does a post linking to a site as vile as this one survive a jury?

This is absolutely revolting .... I am sickened and disgusted


Here is what we are treated to at the link (front page, no escaping):

Stunning photo of Noah, miscarried at 12 weeks, will amaze you

What if girls with unplanned pregnancies ran to the church for love and support?

Join me is signing the petition to defund planned parenthood

[sufrommich]

82. I saw it. It would be impossible to mistake it for

anything other than a vile anti choice website.

[etherealtruth]

89. I have actually NEVER clicked on one of these sites before ...

I trusted DU too much (I actually believed no one would link to something like this)

[sufrommich]

92. Yeah,I think it's time for me to take

a break from DU. This shit is getting sad.

[one_voice]

105. I'm not surprised...

Skinner (61,039 posts)
1. Jurors are chosen randomly.

The average jury therefore has approximately 6 Bernie supporters and 1 Hillary supporter.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12599308#post1

[stupidicus]

68. the truth doesn't care who utters it

eom

[etherealtruth]

71. This is revolting, here is what we are "treated to" at your link:

Here is what we are treated to at the link (front page, no escaping):

Stunning photo of Noah, miscarried at 12 weeks, will amaze you

What if girls with unplanned pregnancies ran to the church for love and support?

Join me is signing the petition to defund planned parenthood

ANTI-ABORTION GARBAGE like this has no place on DU ..... You have a right to believe your truth, but posting this revolting ANTI-ABORTION garbage here is disgusting

[stupidicus]

77. you're the one posting it

well done

[etherealtruth]

86. uh yeah .... I am simply explaining to others what YOU have posted in your OP

Had this been somehow accidental you would have self deleted .... this is a vile and disgusting site that you have promoted

you appear to be almost smug that your disgusting Anti-Abortion garbage has withstood.


Linking to a right wing ANTI-ABORTION site is beyond the pale of acceptable behavior here. I can't imagine what the motivation one would have in doing so.

[Number23]

161. That is sickening.

Stunning photo of Noah, miscarried at 12 weeks, will amaze you

What if girls with unplanned pregnancies ran to the church for love and support?

Join me is signing the petition to defund planned parenthood

I haven't checked the rec's for this particular OP yet but I bet not one single one of them would be a surprise. To anyone.

[OilemFirchen]

170. 40.

And no, you wouldn't be surprised.

I'd list them, but I recently had a post hidden for doing nothing more than that.

[OilemFirchen]

76. Unless it's Planned Parenthood, apparently.

How utterly disgusting.

[Dem2]

72. It's pretty low, isn't it

Guess I'll take another week off from this site - what's the point, I can see right-wing garbage like this on reddit, but at least it gets no traction there.

[etherealtruth]

74. This is straight-up right wing ANTI-ABORTION horse sh*t

The OP responded that its the truth ..... dear "god" what has DU become?

I have never ventured onto an ANTI-ABORTION site before .... when I clicked the link I NEVER dreamed that I would encounter something like this

[Dem2]

78. Yeah, pretty disgusting

There are always anecdotal claims from the 'other side' when they disagree with an endorsement. So what, right? But if one has to stoop to using a shit right-wing source (and then defends said source), that is not cool.

[BooScout]

200. Sad isn't it...

And look at the number of recs on it. And people wonder why so many are leaving here.

[etherealtruth]

202. Not sad, disgusting

I would see the day when it was OK to link to a rabid anti-choice site. It blows my mind that we have so many anti-choice members now (as evidenced by the recs). I truly never thought I would see this here.

[BooScout]

204. I did....I have been seeing lots of similar links for awhile now...

I have pretty much lost my faith in a lot of things we once took for granted about never seeing here.

[tammywammy]

79. Live action news???

[sufrommich]

85. It survived a jury,a jury who knew what it was as

the alerter made it very clear.

[tammywammy]

90. It's fucking disgusting

As is the OP defense of it.

[MineralMan]

212. Another OP did not survive an alert.

The OP is now on a time-out for having an exposed transparency page. He cannot respond further.

[Dawson Leery]

87. Using anti-choice zealots to further your cause. VILE!

Bernie is doing more harm than good to the party to which he only belongs since 2015.

Once Hillary wins the nomination and the Whitehouse, we will be looking for a REAL Democrat to replace Bernie in the Senate in 2018.

[OilemFirchen]

98. No.

Attacking Sanders for what some of his purported "supporters" say and do is exactly what those purported "supporters" do. It's vile, counterproductive, churlish and misguided.

He'll continue to be a good Senator. Please don't stoop to the level of these miscreants.

[emulatorloo]

120. No! The OP is not Bernie!

Don't blame Bernie for this person's use of that vile website.

The site has some pretty vile attacks on Bernie pro-choice record as well, I have no idea why the poster would bring this site here.

Bernie has been a great ally to Democrats in the Senate.

[tammywammy]

127. This isn't Bernie, it's a so-called supporter.

Plenty of Bernie supporters have spoken out that these attacks on Planned Parenthood aren't helping.

[etherealtruth]

129. No, I didn't assume it was , I will garantee Sanders does not support the vile sh*t the poster does

The poster clearly states that this is HIS personal "problem" .... I am not a Hillary supporter (not a Bernie supporter, either .... like them both and have concerns about them both) .... I don't find rabid anti-choice sentiments and links acceptable here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=992571

oh boo hoo

you'll get over it or not.

when all dems become pro-choice, let us know, no?

http://liveactionnews.org/about/

[one_voice]

97. Some other truthiness from this..

site:

Mom posts amazing photos of her babies, miscarried at 7 and 8 weeks, on Facebook

Stunning photo of Noah, miscarried at 12 weeks, will amaze you

Abortion facilities have history of lying to women about fetal development

Why Hillary Clinton is wrong about the Helms Amendment

--I especially like this one

New video shows Planned Parenthood’s ‘illicit moneymaking’ from baby parts

California pedophile used Planned Parenthood to cover rape

This is a treasure trove of information. The hate against PP is strong on this site. The hate against reproductive rights is strong. But whatever furthers you cause I guess....I didn't post the link. You did..so you must be ok with the the fact it's an anti woman/anti choice/anti democratic site.

[leftofcool]

102. I don't think bernie cares one wit about women's issues

[KingFlorez]

101. No one is owed an endorsement

Get over it and move on.

[LuvLoogie]

107. Links to right wing anti-choice organizations notwithstanding, huh?

http://liveactionnews.org/about/

"WHO WE ARE:
Live Action News is the publishing arm of Live Action. Live Action is a youth led organization dedicated to building a culture of life and advancing human rights. Our goal is to educate the public about the dignity of every person and use investigative journalism to expose threats against the vulnerable and defenseless.

http://liveaction.org/

[LexVegas]

109. I can only assume you frequent that site. It suits you. nt

[Sheepshank]

112. Bernie supporters swarming yet another bb

...like that actually means anything anymore?

The group has cried wolf 15 times too often.

[oasis]

119. Endorse Hillary and expect an "organized" outcry by the swarm.

We've seen this movie.

[azureblue]

122. Live Action News as a source?????

WTF! This is a troll post. Kick it off.

[one_voice]

130. For you. In honor of your source...

since you support and anti-choice, anti woman, anti Planned Planned Parenthood lying rightwing site...

Mom posts amazing photos of her babies, miscarried at 7 and 8 weeks, on Facebook

Stunning photo of Noah, miscarried at 12 weeks, will amaze you

Abortion facilities have history of lying to women about fetal development

Why Hillary Clinton is wrong about the Helms Amendment

New video shows Planned Parenthood’s ‘illicit moneymaking’ from baby parts

California pedophile used Planned Parenthood to cover rape

This is a treasure trove of information. The hate against PP is strong on this site. The hate against reproductive rights is strong. But whatever furthers you cause I guess....I didn't post the link. You did..so you must be ok with the the fact it's an anti woman/anti choice/anti democratic site.

[JTFrog]

154. ^^^^^THIS^^^^^ n/t

[still_one]

131. so a group of folks decided to spam the PP site, aledgedly withdrawing their support for PP

Is there anyway to prove that these people actually donated or volunteered through the years to help PP?

Gee, it was just the other day a group of people in Congress tried to suppress funding for PP. Wow, I am not sure what to say

I doubt Sanders is happy by these folks who are supposedly supporting him, "boycotting" PP.

Do they really think that will endear the folks who need and use PP toward Sanders?

[still_one]

132. brillant. You posted from a rabid anti-abortion source. That will really help your cause

Here is an excerpt about their founder:

"Lila founded Live Action when she was fifteen years old. The group utilizes investigative journalism to expose the Abortion Industry’s threats against the vulnerable and defenseless. Live Action uses the results of these investigations to reveal the humanity of the unborn – to inspire the nation to take action to end abortion in America through new media.

As Live Action’s president, Lila leads undercover investigations into America’s most notorious abortion facilities, shining a light on the greatest human rights abuse of our time through national media campaigns. Live Action runs stealth education programs, targeted at changing hearts and minds about abortion thought, overseeing the largest pro-life social media platform on the web, including over 1 million Facebook fans and over 58,000 followers on Twitter. Live Action also hosts Live Action News, a widely read pro-life news site."

http://liveaction.org/lilarose/

uh, are you trying to help Bernie win or lose?

[KentuckyWoman]

135. i call bullshit

not on the OP but on the people CLAIMING on Facebook they are pulling support and supporting defunding Planned Parenthood because of Hillary.

My guess is the vast majority are anti-choice evangelical nutz and Hillary hating RW whacks lying their butts off about their supposed support prior to the endorsement.

*************

Disclosure.... I'm voting Bernie in primaries.

[still_one]

138. The site is a right wing anti-abortion site, with supposedly 58000 twiter followers, and over

1 million facebook fans. I wonder how many of those facebook fans participated:

http://liveaction.org/lilarose/

"Lila founded Live Action when she was fifteen years old. The group utilizes investigative journalism to expose the Abortion Industry’s threats against the vulnerable and defenseless. Live Action uses the results of these investigations to reveal the humanity of the unborn – to inspire the nation to take action to end abortion in America through new media.

As Live Action’s president, Lila leads undercover investigations into America’s most notorious abortion facilities, shining a light on the greatest human rights abuse of our time through national media campaigns. Live Action runs stealth education programs, targeted at changing hearts and minds about abortion thought, overseeing the largest pro-life social media platform on the web, including over 1 million Facebook fans and over 58,000 followers on Twitter. Live Action also hosts Live Action News, a widely read pro-life news site."

[KentuckyWoman]

140. Yeah I caught that after I posted....... WHY did the OP use such a horrible source?

[still_one]

143. If the OP was smart, he would lock this thread by self-deleting as fast as possible

[JTFrog]

145. The fucking anti-abortion site founded by Lila Rose who made fake videos with James O'Keefe?

That's what you are dragging to DU? All in the name of some anti-Hillary agenda?

And that ain't the wife of the great "reformer".

Fuck that disgusting shit.

You should be more than ashamed of yourself for this crap.

Anyone who stands with those pieces of shit does NOT belong here.

[Bobbie Jo]

146. Hmmm

Another proud FB moment?

[George II]

150. Live Action is a rabid anti-abortion organization. Sure they're going to be "objective".

WHO WE ARE:

Live Action News is the publishing arm of Live Action. Live Action is a youth led organization dedicated to building a culture of life and advancing human rights. Our goal is to educate the public about the dignity of every person and use investigative journalism to expose threats against the vulnerable and defenseless.

[still_one]

153. Hey OP, are you really a Sanders' supporter? I am really starting to wonder if you are trying to

play both sides against the middle.

If I were a Sanders' supporter I would not be happy this kind of nonsense was being spewed about

What Sanders or Hillary supporter would even visit such a site?

[JTFrog]

155. I can't believe that any Sanders supporter would stoop this low.

There is some major rat fucking going on at DU these days.

[still_one]

158. I agree

[one_voice]

165. +1

[ronnykmarshall]

156. I just increased my donations to them

Fuck these assholes attacking them. Worse than the right wing.

[Bobbie Jo]

166. Well this thread was certainly an eye opener

As the recs keep coming...

Just when I thought I'd seen it all.

[still_one]

171. Either they agree with the anti-abortion stand of the OP's link, or they are blindly selecting

"recommend" because they think it is an anti-Hillary thread.

If it is the former, perhaps they don't understand where Hillary, Bernie, and Martin stand with women, on their right to choose. In fact, all three Democratic candidates are VERY pro-choice.

Makes me wonder about critical thinkers.....................

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Perhaps it is important to understand things:

[tammywammy]

175. 42 people rec'ing an anti-choice bullshit link.

[840high]

187. Similar comments were posted

on PP facebook yesterday.

[Bobbie Jo]

198. Yes, it's RW garbage.

Is that the point you were going for here??

[RandySF]

177. .

[Beaverhausen]

181. 44 recs for an anti-abortion OP

I seem to ask everyday, what has become of this site?

[still_one]

192. anti-abortion, anti-choice, and anti-Democratic party site. Wow

[JI7]

189. you should delete this thread, liveactionnews is a right wing anti choice site

[kjones]

191. Oh boy, I feel for the more reasonable and discerning Bernie supporters.

How long until someone posts an anti-Hillary rant by Rush or some such?

[still_one]

193. I agree

[still_one]

195. It is obvious that most of these so-called posts on PP's facebook page are coming from right wing

trolls. The comments on the PP Facebook are disgusting. Those aren't from Sanders' supporters, they are from right wing crazies, wolves in sheep's clothing.

[steve2470]

196. I would self delete this OP, just sayin nt

[MeNMyVolt]

201. And another new low for DU.

Seems to be a daily thing now with a certain group.

[RoccoR5955]

203. No shit.

A chosen few are taking this site down to new lows, and nothing is being done because they are supposedly supporting a Democratic candidate. Yet when they trash any and every other Democratic candidate, not a thing is done!

[still_one]

205. What is even worse, is that despite being shown in responses to the OP,

that the link being used, is one of the most extreme anti-abortion, anti-choice, and anti-Democratic party sites, the thread recommend count continues to go up.

What is this? Do they even realize what they are recommending? Are they saying they support an extreme anti-pro-choice extreme right wing site?

Anyone going to the Planned Parenthood FB site would know from the vile comments being posted there, those are NOT from any progressive. It is an obvious right wing spamming pile on.

[Sheepshank]

207. You mean Sanders Supporters are swarming another Social Media page?

how predictable....for the umpteenth time.

Ever since the Jane Goodall and Rep Lewis denigration by Sanders supporters, I've lost all sort of respect for their ability to see past the hero worship. That goes for the sour grapes on DU too.

[MineralMan]

209. Here's something really disgusting from the link you provided:

Is that what you're supporting here? The owner of that site is running a petition to defund Planned Parenthood, for pity's sake!

[BainsBane]

210. That and all the pictures of the dead fetuses

It's a RW pro-life site.

The OP only proves that PP was right in endorsing Clinton. We need her championing women's reproductive rights now more than ever.

[MineralMan]

213. The OP of this thread cannot respond.

He is on a time-out, after another anti-PP thread was hidden. His Transparency page is now exposed.

[Hekate]

214. Thanks for that piece of good news

[BainsBane]

216. That's some consolation anyway

His reposting liveactionnews made clear the original source was not an oversight but rather deliberate.

[MineralMan]

217. I'm really weary of right-wing site links

on DU, frankly. Using such sources to attack a leading Democratic candidate for President simply should not be tolerated here on DU, in my opinion.

[BainsBane]

218. I agree

Nor should anti-choice arguments be permitted, IMO.

[MineralMan]

219. At one time, they would not have stood on DU.

Today, it's any port in a storm when it comes to opposition to Hillary Clinton, though. Disgusting!

[Dawson Leery]

221. Bernie and Trump supporters have no ethics.

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They are blind, enraged so much they will do ANYTHING to win.

[NCTraveler]

215. OP is on a time out. One too many right wing anti-choice links.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251994609

[still_one]

222. you straightened the context that was getting mixed up in that thread, and that is good

I didn't realize the OP was on a timeout. I would like to think that is the reason he didn't self-delete this OP, or at least change the link, but I am skeptical

[LeftishBrit]

223. Do you realize what sort of a site LiveActionNews is?

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It is an extreme anti-abortion site. Its aim is to get rid of Planned Parenthood altogether.

I really ask you strongly to delete this OP. Not because of anything to do with Hillary Clinton. But as a woman, and as someone who has seen the political pro-life movement have a vile influence on the politics in the area where I live (not a place where you'd have thought this could happen until it did), I have a horror of that movement, and so I am sure do many on DU.

[etherealtruth]

224. To those recommending this thread (59 at this time):

You have recommended the blog post and the call to action of Lila Rose .... yes, that Lila Rose. The Lila Rose that has teamed with that "paragon of virtue" James O'Keefe (you know Acorn, secret tapings of Mary Landrieu ...O'keefe the self described right wing radical).

This isn't really an anti-Clinton post on a right wing anti-abortion blog .... this was their (rightwing) call to action. It was quite successful in prompting right wing anti-abortion nuts to swarm Facebook (yes, that is who swarmed) .... all carefully orchestrated by Rose and other "right wing radicals." Unless Bernie supporters are mostly radically antiabortion (I don't believe that for a minute), the vast majority of those posting outrage on facebook are right wingers that start out briefly bashing Clinton and then move on to their ANTI-ABORTION spiel

59 DU members recommended this post

Planned Parenthood recordings (2008)

In 2006, O'Keefe met Lila Rose, founder of an anti-abortion group on the UCLA campus.[33] They secretly recorded encounters in Planned Parenthood clinics. Rose posed as a pregnant teenager seeking advice (a 15-year-old girl impregnated by a 23-year-old male); they made two videos and released them on YouTube. In one, a clinic worker in Los Angeles tells Rose "that she could 'figure out a birth date that works' to avoid having PPLA notify police."[34]

In 2007 O'Keefe phoned several Planned Parenthood clinics and secretly recorded the conversations. He posed as a donor, asking if his donations would be applied to needs of minority women. When told they could be, he made "race-motivated" comments.[35] By audio recordings, workers at clinics in six other states reportedly agreed to accept his donation under similar terms.[36]

Planned Parenthood of California filed a "cease and desist" order against Lila Rose, charging that she was violating state laws against secret recordings. The order required her to remove the videos from YouTube and give all the recordings to the organization. She complied through her attorney.[34]

After O'Keefe's four audio recordings were publicized in 2008, Planned Parenthood of Ohio issued a public response, saying the worker's words were "a violation of any policy, and it's very upsetting." The CEO said, "Planned Parenthood has a long history of social justice."[35] Other offices noted the wide variety of services the organization offers to low income communities.[36] African-American leaders called for withdrawal of public financing of the organization.[33] No funding was withdrawn.

[Amimnoch]

225. Thank you. Very telling indeed.

[stevenleser]

227. Kicking for visibility.

Everyone needs to see what site was linked and by whom and for what purpose.

p.s. Those who recced this, you know we can see who you are, right?