2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumOPPOSE HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT: SHE'S TOO HAWKISH AND CORPORATIST
Hillary Clinton is too corporatist and hawkish to be the Democratic nominee for president. Oppose her nomination to prevent a continuation of the disappointing political outcomes of the past twenty years.
Why is this important?
In 2008, after eight years of the terrifying administration George W. Bush, Americans were eager for real change. Candidate Barack Obama ran on a platform of changing business as usual in Washington, D.C. Instead, he surrounded himself with Wall Street cronies, continued the hawkish military policies of his predecessor, and promoted a health care plan tested by Mitt Romney and designed by the Heritage Foundation to promote the interests of the insurance industry. Instead of prosecuting war criminals, torturers, and Wall Street crooks, President Obama went after whistle blowers.
As President Obama recently said of himself, My policies are so mainstream that if I had set the same policies
back in the 1980s, I would be considered a moderate Republican.
The reason this is relevant is that in 2016 Democratic voters won't be so easily taken in as they were in 2008. They will demand and expect a real Democrat, not a Wall Street-loving, neoconservative Democrat.
But Hillary Clinton is likely to be even more corporatist and militarist than Barack Obama.
During the administration of her husband, she supported NAFTA and the repeal of Glass-Steagall. As Secretary of State she supported the Trans-Pacific Partnership. She has close ties to Goldman Sachs, Bob Rubin and the financial industry.
Read more at the link: https://www.credomobilize.com/petitions/oppose-hillary-clinton-for-president-she-s-too-hawkish-and-corporatist
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Bought, Paid For, Owned and Operated.. and smiling all the way to the bank... Only question is Which Bank?
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)And yet she calls herself a Democrat!
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)considering that as nominee she will not get the support
of millennials or/and independents, you might feel
a bit different when the repugs win the WH.
However, let's wait for the primaries, shall we?
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)I drove a millenial up from Mass to canvass in NH this weekend... And I'll be doing it again this week on Wednesday/Saturday/Sunday.
So your clearly you anecdote doesn't cut it.
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)or at least the bern bots keep repeating that
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)he met and shook Howard Deans hand and became part of the Tea Party smh.. so yeah some millenials are conservative but they are in the minority ,
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)I know plenty of them who support Bernie and will be happy to support her in the GE. Some of them of course will vote for Trump.
George II
(67,782 posts)Tess49
(1,579 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)JTFrog
(14,274 posts)SCantiGOP
(13,869 posts)....apparently
George II
(67,782 posts)Marty McGraw
(1,024 posts)The Champagne and Gold (banker's edition) commemorative logo was only gonna' be for a limited time during the new year's holiday. Good to see it back and displayed in it's full glory once more!
Never Forget! that rude interruption to the balcony toast for a better bailed out tomorrow!
Here, Here!
senz
(11,945 posts)Sigh. And here I thought we were making progress.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Not shocked...
Empowerer
(3,900 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Get a hide.
Lol...
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)Hillary supporters oppose a certain democratic candidate everyday on DU. Should we hide all those posts?
Empowerer
(3,900 posts)A haven for people not just to trash and advocate against the election of a Democratic candidate (not in connection with supporting another Democrat, but just a standalone attack), but to smear the current and former Democratic Presidents of the United States.
Nice going . . .
Bleacher Creature
(11,256 posts)An OP attacking Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, and Barack Obama gets multiple recommendations on a site that was created to support Democrats.
Sigh...
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)immoderate
(20,885 posts)Apparently it was 'under-astroturf.'
In all caps, it's hard to tell 'Democratic,' from 'democratic.' I mean what do you do if the Democrats are undemocratic?
--imm
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Lots o' luck.
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Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)She's both of those words.
brooklynite
(94,503 posts)dlwickham
(3,316 posts)they're one of those evil capitalistic companies that make money off the backs of the poor unfortunates who have their cell phone service
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)sir
Orrex
(63,203 posts)shenmue
(38,506 posts)LexVegas
(6,059 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)one_voice
(20,043 posts)Bernie Sanders has said that as president, he would be willing to use drones in counter-terrorism operations.
In an interview with NBCs Meet the Press scheduled for broadcast on Sunday, host Chuck Todd asked the independent senator from Vermont if drones or special forces would play a role in his counter-terror plans.
All of that and more, Sanders said.
Asked to clarify, he added: Look, a drone is a weapon. When it works badly, it is terrible and it is counterproductive. When you blow up a facility or a building which kills women and children, you know what? Its terrible.
The Obama administrations use of drones to target terrorist suspects has proved controversial, particularly with the political left. Sanders, a self-professed democratic socialist, has proven popular in such circles in the 2016 campaign so far.
Todd asked Sanders: But youre comfortable with the idea of using drones if you think youve isolated an important terrorist?
Sanders replied: Yes.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/11/bernie-sanders-drones-counter-terror
Democratic Presidential Candidate Bernie Sanders said he wouldnt end the lethal drone program on Sunday in an interview with ABCs George Stephanopoulos.
I think we have to use drones very, very selectively and effectively. That has not always been the case, Sanders said. What you can argue is that there are times and places where drone attacks have been effective.
*snip*
Sanders has yet to lay out a detailed foreign policy agenda. In fact, his campaign website does not address a single foreign policy issue (unless you count climate change). But his admission that he would not end the drone program signifies that military force in countries like Yemen, Somalia, and parts of Pakistan will be continued under a potential Sanders administration.
Precision strikes are a small part of rolling back the influence of terror groups, he said. The overemphasis on drone strikes themselves obscures two very fundamental questions. Should we [be engaged in areas like Yemen and Somalia] and if yes, then what are the aspects of our policy that will minimize the killing of innocents?
Sanders indication that the drone program would not be scrapped seems to have answered the first question. If he makes the unexpected leap to the White House, hell have to answer that second question. For now hes simply assured that the question will be answered.
http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/08/31/3697175/bernie-sanders-wouldnt-end-obamas-drone-program-promises-to-use-it-very-selectively/
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)one_voice
(20,043 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)one_voice
(20,043 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)one_voice
(20,043 posts)Yeah I support Obama--but not everything he's done
Now here's that crazy shit
I fuckin love ELizabeth Warren....I like Bernie Sanders
I support O'Malley....I don't hate Hillary and I will vote for the democratic nominee.
Because that shit coming from the other side is too fucking crazy for me.
No...I'm not happy with everything from anyone in our party...not even close. But I'm not going to beat the shit out of them or their supporters.
And I sure as shit don't want the kind of crazy the other side has to offer.
But if it makes you feel better to tear down not just the candidates but their supporters...go right ahead. I don't roll like that. The karma bus will fuck you up.
nolabels
(13,133 posts)If you voted and been through few elections, paid attention to it all and maybe even contributed more than a few buck into it, then sure your post makes sense. Some haven't though, so even if just that few or even one is or might be listening, hearing, reading and or just understanding some of this stuff, what would they think?
If you were trying to convince somebody your ideas were civil and prudent what kind of language would you want to use?
Or just forget it, or curse at me if like, i have nothing more to say
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)When they all fold up, ya'll can whine about something new, like all those millions of jobs lost
one_voice
(20,043 posts)charlespercydemocrat
(46 posts)I am with Bernie SANDERS NO CLINTON OR BUSH IN 16!
840high
(17,196 posts)rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)is stuck.
So funny how DU leftists think America will vote for someone to the far left of Obama.