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Nearly 10 months later, after a wave of demonstrations and sit-ins across the country protesting Filalis death, the Moroccan legislature made plans in January to amend Article 475 of the penal codethe section that allows rapists to marry their victims in order to escape punishment.
There is no question that this is a huge step forward for womens rights in Morocco. But its just the beginning of the reform that needs to happen for all rape victims in Morocco to be treated as equal citizens. The crime of rape is still legally tied to the victims marital status and perceived sexual activity. On the one hand, the law does not recognize rape within a marriage as a punishable crime, as sex is seen as owed to a husband; on the other, it adheres to sexist notions of purity by meting out a double punishment if the rapist has taken the victims virginity.
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And the sort of legal practice that forces victims to marry their rapists is not unique to Morocco. As recently as 1997, 15 Latin American countries allowed rapists to avoid prison time by marrying their victims. A March 1997 New York Times story explained that, as of its writing, Costa Rica required even less: Its laws exonerated any rapist who expressed an intention to marry the woman he had raped, even if that woman did not accept his offer.
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http://www.womenundersiegeproject.org/blog/entry/from-morocco-to-denmark-rape-survivors-around-the-world-are-forced-to-marry
Many countries have changed these laws, many others still have them (Denmark, Russia, Indonesia, Venezuela, and many countries in the Arab world), and even where the laws are not in place, victims are still subjected to the way misogyny influences law enforcement.
niyad
(113,216 posts)beyond sick, another clear demonstration of the hatred of women prevalent everywhere, it seems.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)And until we address that cause, we will simply keep dealing with all the symptoms, forever.
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)Apparently, men don't understand what rape means. I swear the Republican state and federal representatives are bad enough, but the men in some of the foreign countries are even worse.
Men have had control for centuries and shouldn't even be making these laws regarding women's bodies. They've screwed things up long enough (pun intended). Time for the women to clean house.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Hear fucking hear.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)The laws being criticized at least make some kind of sense if we're talking about statutory rape, though I would still favor their abolition.
-Laelth
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Laelth
(32,017 posts)But consider this hypothetical. Let's say we have two 16-year-olds living in Denmark. They have sex. Girl's father finds out about it and presses statutory rape charges against the boy. The law we're discussing seems to say that, if they get married, the boy's punishment for statutory rape should be reduced (or eliminated). Nobody is forcing the girl to marry, here, in this example. We assume she's in love with the boy and may even want to marry the boy, but the boy is still guilty of statutory rape. Why shouldn't his penalty for the crime of statutory rape be reduced if they're both willing to get married? Doesn't this sound like a somewhat-reasonable law if it's statutory rape that we're talking about?
Thus, my question above.
-Laelth
Edit:Laelth--corrected two typos.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)however without very careful wording, we are left to remain vigilant in order to ensure women aren't encouraged to marry men who abuse them, and that rapists aren't let off the hook by making whatever claims of intent to the court.
ismnotwasm
(41,974 posts)C'mon man. "Forcible rape"?
Laelth
(32,017 posts)There's a big difference, as far as I know, between forcible rape and statutory rape. On the other hand, I could be all wrong about that.
Did I say something inappropriate?
-Laelth
ismnotwasm
(41,974 posts)Here:
How Todd Akin And Paul Ryan Partnered To Redefine Rape
By Ian Millhiser on Aug 19, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Federal law prevents federal Medicaid funds and similar programs from paying for abortions. Yet the law also contains an exception for women who are raped. The bill Akin and Ryan cosponsored would have narrowed this exception, providing that only pregnancies arising from forcible rape may be terminated. Because the primary target of Akin and Ryans effort are Medicaid recipients patients who are unlikely to be able to afford an abortion absent Medicaid funding the likely impact of this bill would have been forcing many rape survivors to carry their rapists baby to term. Michelle Goldberg explains who Akin and Ryan would likely target:
Under H.R. 3, only victims of forcible rape would qualify for federally funded abortions. Victims of statutory rapesay, a 13-year-old girl impregnated by a 30-year-old manwould be on their own. So would victims of incest if theyre over 18. And while forcible rape isnt defined in the criminal code, the addition of the adjective seems certain to exclude acts of rape that dont involve overt violencesay, cases where a woman is drugged or has a limited mental capacity. Its basically putting more restrictions on what was defined historically as rape, says Keenan.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/08/19/712251/how-todd-akin-and-paul-ryan-partnered-to-redefine-rape/?mobile=wt
Laelth
(32,017 posts)I was just trying to figure out why Denmark would have a law on the books mitigating the penalty for rape when the rapist and the victim marry. The only semi-reasonable conclusion I could come up with was that the law must only apply to cases of statutory rape (as opposed to rape-rape). Denmark, after all, is a pretty liberal place.
Thanks for the response.
-Laelth
cui bono
(19,926 posts)That's hard to believe. I'm sure it's not something that's enforced. Must be one of those old laws that's on the books but "forgotten" about. I'm going to ask my cousins about that.
Mass
(27,315 posts)Nobody is forced to marry anybody. This said, if the victim accepts to marry or be in partnership with the rapist or continues to be, this creates grounds to reduce the sentence. It is bad enough, but not what the title suggests.
a 2011 Amnesty International report indicates that Denmarks legislation provides that if the perpetrator enters into or continues a marriage or registered partnership with the victim after the rape, it gives grounds for reducing or remitting the punishment.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Yeah, you never know if the victim is doing it out of fear of further repercussions.
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)So claim ownership and get a pass
That attitude literally makes me ill
redqueen
(115,103 posts)We could write a book.
Still, there's good news, at the link they list the countries which, like Morocco, have amended these laws.
And here in the US some laws are improving (http://www.lakeconews.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=30890:state-senate-unanimously-passes-rape-by-fraud-bill-overturned-rape-conviction-exposed-legal-anomaly&catid=1:latest&Itemid=197), although TRAP laws seem to be a growing problem.