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seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
Tue May 15, 2012, 09:43 AM May 2012

Watching 'Jersey Shore' might make you dumber, study suggests

Take note, fans of mindless reality shows like "Jersey Shore": New research suggests watching something dumb might make you dumber. In other words, you are what you watch. It's called media priming -- the idea that the things we watch or listen to or read influence our emotions and our behavior, perhaps more than we realize. This particular study may be the first to use fictional characters in a narrative to show an effect on people's cognitive performance, says lead author Markus Appel, a psychologist at Austria's University of Linz.

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Some of the 81 volunteers were instructed to read a longer version of the "soccer hooligan" story, while others read a shorter version -- and the control group read a rather boring story in which Meier does nothing stupid. Then researchers gave the volunteers a multiple choice general knowledge test, including questions like, "What is the capital of Libya?" and "What kind of speed is expressed by the letter 'c' in physics?" and "Who painted La Guernica?" To be fair, these are tough questions to answer sans-Internet regardless of whether you've just watched something vapid like "Toddlers and Tiaras." But, as the researchers write, "participants who read a narrative about a stupidly acting soccer hooligan performed worse in the knowledge test than participants who read a narrative about a character with no reference to his intellectual abilities.

"The present study is, to our knowledge, the first to show media priming effects of story characters on cognitive performance," they explain in the report, which was published online this month in the journal Media Psychology. Think you're too smart to be influenced by the media you consume? That's cute. Anything we see -- a person on the street, an ad on TV, a character in a movie -- has some influence on our next thoughts, emotions or actions, simply because it's top of mind, says Joanne Cantor, a psychologist and member of the American Psychological Association who has studied the emotional and behavioral effect of TV and movies.

“What you’ve been thinking about recently or seeing recently (is) at a higher level in your consciousness, so your brain is kind of predisposed in that direction,” says Cantor, professor emerita of communication arts and outreach director center for communication research at the University of Wisonsin-Madison. “So if you’ve just seen a movie about really altruistic people and you get an opportunity to behave altruistically, you’ll probably do it, rather than if you’ve just seen a movie about selfish people." (So fans of "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia" aren't particularly charitable? Noted.)

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Watching 'Jersey Shore' might make you dumber, study suggests (Original Post) seabeyond May 2012 OP
Ya think????? lol Little Star May 2012 #1
lol. well ya. but we actually ahve arguments on du that this shit does not affect us seabeyond May 2012 #2
and yes, obviously can be extrapolated iverglas May 2012 #13
from a sociological point seabeyond May 2012 #16
that's actually really interesting iverglas May 2012 #3
I agree get the red out May 2012 #4
we all love the history channel and a couple others with documentaries. really enjoyed seabeyond May 2012 #5
History Channel 2 get the red out May 2012 #10
our secret shame iverglas May 2012 #6
i watched the first year and was totally hooked. couldnt watch by the second year... nt seabeyond May 2012 #7
Chicken/egg 4th law of robotics May 2012 #8
the study should have answered the question for you. nt seabeyond May 2012 #9
Not really 4th law of robotics May 2012 #12
it would be helpful iverglas May 2012 #15
welcome some actual meat in the sandwich. seabeyond May 2012 #17
I'm not really sure if I could reliably 4th law of robotics May 2012 #20
once the egg has been laid iverglas May 2012 #11
People are insistent that we've been "getting dumber" every generation since 4th law of robotics May 2012 #14
if we leave aside the bell curve iverglas May 2012 #18
just getting started on answering myself iverglas May 2012 #19
It's possible we're reaching a plateau 4th law of robotics May 2012 #26
well isn't that a depressing thought ;) iverglas May 2012 #28
Well, maybe not 4th law of robotics May 2012 #29
you're just trying to trick me ;) iverglas May 2012 #30
Possibly, but being poor in relation to everyone else 4th law of robotics May 2012 #21
not sure why you've mixed my cases iverglas May 2012 #22
I don't think I did mix up your cases 4th law of robotics May 2012 #25
okay, well, we seem to be getting bogged in side issues iverglas May 2012 #27
Egg. laconicsax May 2012 #23
. seabeyond May 2012 #24
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
2. lol. well ya. but we actually ahve arguments on du that this shit does not affect us
Tue May 15, 2012, 10:17 AM
May 2012

i guess i am arguing with the people that watch this shit. seems a duh to me. on the one hand we say media does not brainwash us. on the other we point to fox and all the brain watching.

you tell me where the disconnect is

 

iverglas

(38,549 posts)
13. and yes, obviously can be extrapolated
Tue May 15, 2012, 11:12 AM
May 2012

Priming can be done for many purposes. Or effects, intended or otherwise.

Pornification of culture, right?

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
16. from a sociological point
Tue May 15, 2012, 11:21 AM
May 2012

we watched the nice gentle, though sometimes combative slide, right here on du.

 

iverglas

(38,549 posts)
3. that's actually really interesting
Tue May 15, 2012, 10:36 AM
May 2012

Gotta work now but I shall click later.

Someone here pointed out to me a while back that one reason USAmericans collectively are so ignorant of, and take so little interest in, anything outside their own backyard is the sheer density of USAmerican culture. I think that's very true. Why go looking for anything else when there are 30 things right in front of you clamouring for your attention? Missing-blonde-girl-children stories on CNN, Jersey Shore and a thousand clones on the other channels, US politics and news and views and music and movies and video games and every other corner of "culture", fully occupied.

I find the same is true of many Brits, for instance. Their culture is also very densely occupied, although there is more space than in the US, partly because of the US cultural industry's decades-long drive to export and control foreign markets.

Living in a smaller economy / population / culture like Canada, every aspect of culture is thinner on the ground -- well developed and diverse, just not as dense. We look farther afield for information and entertainment. But I've never looked to Jersey Shore.

And interestingly, at least some years ago, stats showed that Law and Order, for instance, which was, at least then, reasonably intellectually challenging, got much higher ratings in Canada than in the US, even though we had access to pretty much all the same US content as was available there, plus Canadian content. We just weren't subject to the same pressures, and the same collective representation of what that culture is, as people actually living in the belly of the beast; we were a step removed and able to pick and choose more carefully, I'd think.

This is why I react to people saying "oh, I don't watch that television nonsense" with rolling eyes. I watch a lot of television. There's enough available that actually stimulates my brain, rather than dulling it, to make me quite happy.

get the red out

(13,461 posts)
4. I agree
Tue May 15, 2012, 10:44 AM
May 2012

There are good things to watch, but I'm not trendy, that Jersey Shore kind of thing isn't interesting. My Dad got us interested in documentaries and science shows when I was a kid and that has stuck with me. I also love historical programs. If I want to watch harmless, mindless stuff and knit then food channel is good for that, and I LOVE shows about dogs (like Dogs 101, or training shows).

I do have a somewhat shameful liking for "Say Yes to the Dress" though.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
5. we all love the history channel and a couple others with documentaries. really enjoyed
Tue May 15, 2012, 10:47 AM
May 2012

now you have to have a larger package of channels to get the history channel that have the shows, from what hubby says. most are now reality programs on that channel. and not getting them on other channels. very disappointed.

get the red out

(13,461 posts)
10. History Channel 2
Tue May 15, 2012, 11:08 AM
May 2012

I now find some really good, actual history on History Channel 2. We have a large cable package since my husband loves movies and we both like NCAA basketball. Another good thing about it is "On Demand", I watched the whole series about Hitler's various accomplices throughout Europe that way. Good stuff. Expensive though.

 

iverglas

(38,549 posts)
6. our secret shame
Tue May 15, 2012, 10:58 AM
May 2012

In my household, it's Big Brother. It gets worse every year, of course, but we stick with it. Because you can sit there and try to figure odds and work out what factors can be controlled and what can't, and what lie could be got away with and what couldn't, and actually exercise the brain cells. I'm not really good at it because long-game strategizing isn't my thing (I hate chess), but it's still fun.

I actually got hooked the first season when all the players were naive newbies and not models cast for their looks (yech, most of them now, fake boobs on the one side and brawn over brains on the other). When Chicken George decided that the whole purpose of the game was for them to rebel and walk out, I could just hear Jean-Paul Sartre cheering from his grave. George had created his own meaning!

And like to cook though I do, cooking shows bore me to tears. For me, it's real estate.

Escape to the Country on a Sunday morning ... while I chop and simmer and bake. When I've exhausted the week's supply of EastEnders, of course!

And before that, on early Saturday mornings, I actually watch The Rifleman for a while. Nostalgia for my youth and my departed dad, and Saturday evenings eating dinner in front of the TV and waiting for the hockey game (at which point I found something to read). It always has a plot, with a moral, and lots of old stars to spot before they made it big. It sometimes even has women doing independent stuff.

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
12. Not really
Tue May 15, 2012, 11:12 AM
May 2012

1) media psychology can be, charitably, described as a soft science.
2) they didn't look at any actual programming, they made up a story for this experiment.
3) I've read enough popular reports on actual studies to know that the quotes they cherry-pick often have nothing to do with the actual results.
4) the way they estimate intelligence was based on remembering specific facts. Anyone who has looked in to what "intelligence" actually means knows that rote-memorization/regurgitation is not the end-all definition of intelligence.
5) the story they were given was written, rather than video. So that further weakens any direct comparisons to television shows and their effects.

 

iverglas

(38,549 posts)
15. it would be helpful
Tue May 15, 2012, 11:18 AM
May 2012

from the perspective of a discussion actually being about something, if you would offer something that could actually be discussed.

For instance:

3) I've read enough popular reports on actual studies to know that the quotes they cherry-pick often have nothing to do with the actual results.

Tell us something about them. We don't know what you've read, and knowing that you've read something really isn't particularly interesting, or anything that anybody could even discuss.

2) they didn't look at any actual programming, they made up a story for this experiment.

Explain how this is relevant, let alone invalidates their conclusions. Ditto for your point (5).

1) media psychology can be, charitably, described as a soft science.

That's quite possibly a valid complaint. Does it invalidate the conclusions in this particular study?

I think most people here would welcome some actual meat in the sandwich. I know I would. I like to learn stuff.
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
17. welcome some actual meat in the sandwich.
Tue May 15, 2012, 11:23 AM
May 2012

you are special. lol

me, too

and 1 is valid for sure.

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
20. I'm not really sure if I could reliably
Tue May 15, 2012, 11:54 AM
May 2012

go over every popular news article I've ever read and the actual study it was based on that I then dug up to verify/counter their conclusions. I mean, it's a lot. Like asking "when has a politician ever promised one thing then done another".

In this specific case someone has done the work for me though: http://psysociety.wordpress.com/2011/12/08/careful-science-journalism

For point 2 if you're trying to draw direct comparisons (in this case "watching jersey shore makes you dumb&quot you need to make the experiment as close to what you are trying to compare it to as possible. In this case they changed not only the story (soccer hooligans versus guidos) but also the media (written/video). Adding more variables makes it less and less applicable. We know that people process video differently than the written word (for instance: no one goes to school to learn how to watch TV). So looking at brain processes for response to video by studying response to writing is going to be inherently weak.

 

iverglas

(38,549 posts)
11. once the egg has been laid
Tue May 15, 2012, 11:10 AM
May 2012

What's the driver? Consumer choice, or consumers' choices?

Once the process is started, the pump has been primed, the choices made begin to be less and less independent, I think is one thing that could be taken from the study.

The dumbing down is a process. You lose a couple of IQ points, at least temporarily, by watching Jersey Shore, and you're ready for the next level, coming up on your teevee screen right after the commercial. And, of course, for all the commercials themselves.

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
14. People are insistent that we've been "getting dumber" every generation since
Tue May 15, 2012, 11:14 AM
May 2012

Last edited Tue May 15, 2012, 11:47 AM - Edit history (1)

well probably pre-history.

It isn't borne out by facts.

If you don't normalize* every year IQs have been steadily rising for the last century or so.

*they're always baselined to 100 based on how everyone else is doing.

 

iverglas

(38,549 posts)
18. if we leave aside the bell curve
Tue May 15, 2012, 11:29 AM
May 2012

I wonder whether we might see intelligence disparity increasing the way we've seen income disparity increasing.

Just as there is a wider gulf growing between the rich and the poor, after a long period of narrowing -- the rich actually getting richer while the poor actually get poorer -- might we see both higher and lower IQ scores increasing?

The culture gap seems to me to be widening too, with the dumbness of the lower end of the available offerings increasing, and the stimulating material available to people with a taste and capacity for it expanding as well, partly because of the internet.

Forty years ago, ordinary people, including the ones on the left of the 100 mark, watched things like All in the Family and even Columbo -- shows that served you stuff you actually had to think about while watching. If those same people are now watching Jersey Shore and American Idol -- and I don't think many people in the 120+ range really do watch them a lot -- might we start to see some slide toward the lower scores in the already lower segment of the adult population? I'd say it's a little early to tell yet, but I'd be curious. Just a wild theory for now; I need to google.

 

iverglas

(38,549 posts)
19. just getting started on answering myself
Tue May 15, 2012, 11:52 AM
May 2012
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect

Seems to refute my wild theory -- but -- it is addressing children's test scores, in the main.

Interesting read, for those interested.

Google iq scores rising and there's lots there. I shall do more of it for myself later on.

I guess maybe I'm wondering about the middle quintiles, say. It seems that the Flynn Effect -- the steady historical rise in scores -- is tapering off in the uppermost ranges (and in the developed countries), while the lowermost scores are still rising. I'm wondering about adults in the lower half of the middle quintile, say.
 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
26. It's possible we're reaching a plateau
Tue May 15, 2012, 03:01 PM
May 2012

in that with proper diet/prenatal care/education etc people can increase their average intelligence only to a certain point.

Like deleting old files and clearing out viruses will make your old computer go faster but only to a point, eventually the hardware is maxed out.

This plateau effect could be evidence of that: people who have access to all those great things that increase intelligence (and have for generations) are about as good as they are going to get. People who have not before but now are being exposed to them are doing better and closing the gap. Short of some catastrophic event I don't see this trend reversing, although it could of course level off.

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
29. Well, maybe not
Tue May 15, 2012, 05:41 PM
May 2012

there's no evidence that being smarter necessarily leads to being happier.

And we're at a point where we have no real enemies and can build machines to think for us. Maybe we're as smart as we need to be?

There are some researchers who believe that the average IQ doesn't really matter. It's how many people a country has over a certain level. And since we're stuck on a bell curve (really everything seems to be enthralled to a bell curve), the best way to get more geniuses would be either to simply increase the population (check!) or manufacture more people on the low end (meaning that mathematically we'd need more on the intelligent side to keep it a happy bell-curve).

 

iverglas

(38,549 posts)
30. you're just trying to trick me ;)
Tue May 15, 2012, 05:52 PM
May 2012
the best way to get more geniuses would be either to simply increase the population (check!) or manufacture more people on the low end (meaning that mathematically we'd need more on the intelligent side to keep it a happy bell-curve).

I haven't lost that many brain cells.

And we're at a point where we have no real enemies and can build machines to think for us. Maybe we're as smart as we need to be?

Until the Romulans arrive.

But the Pakleds did make out okay ...

I guess I just liked the thought that even though I'll be centuries dead and gone, someday somebody might figure the universe out. Sort of the atheist's version of a belief in the afterlife, I guess!


 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
21. Possibly, but being poor in relation to everyone else
Tue May 15, 2012, 12:01 PM
May 2012

doesn't make you stupid.

Having sub-par childhood nutrition is a big factor. That has been improving over the years.

Having access to a wider variety of stimulus is important. And who has more sources of information than kids today?

There are a variety of diseases/toxins that can affect IQ that we haven't eliminated per se but we're managing.

Better understanding of prenatal care is important, and we certainly haven't gotten any worse in that regard.

Possibly controversial but I would argue that abortion and birth control access is a huge factor as it enables people at the bottom rung of society (where people of below average intelligence are over-represented) to not reproduce and so on.

Ultimately people will remember the entertainment they grew up with as being superior to the entertainment of today. That has always been the case. No doubt your grandparents lament that the idiot-box replaced radio, which was how intelligent people received their news/entertainment. And their grandparents had similar things to say about radio replacing plays/operas. And really why do we need plays when we could be dancing naked around a fire?

The next generation is always stupid and crass and bewildering.

Consider for instance the huge impact of the internet. Sure 99% of it is idiotic. But it's also an active media: people are able to participate. They put out their own blogs, videos, songs, etc. When has that been possible before on such a scale? Columbo may have been a smarter show but it was passive: you sat there and watched it and that was it. Passive entertainment isn't exactly known for being stimulating to the intellect.

 

iverglas

(38,549 posts)
22. not sure why you've mixed my cases
Tue May 15, 2012, 12:20 PM
May 2012

1. there is growing income disparity

2. is there growing IQ disparity?

1 was simply used to explain what I was talking about. I didn't suggest that income disparity causes IQ disparity. Although it would be an interesting idea to explore.


All the factors you cite are discussed in detail in the wiki I linked in my next post.

Ultimately people will remember the entertainment they grew up with as being superior to the entertainment of today. That has always been the case. No doubt your grandparents lament that the idiot-box replaced radio, which was how intelligent people received their news/entertainment. And their grandparents had similar things to say about radio replacing plays/operas. And really why do we need plays when we could be dancing naked around a fire?

No, to any of that, personally. You mistake concerns about the content of the entertainment for something else, it seems. I don't have any objections to video games; I do object to the violent, misogynist content of many of them, for instance.

And it's not what I've said myself, of course. I specifically referred to the internet as a potential stimulus, and I've said I use TV for that purpose myself.

Columbo may have been a smarter show but it was passive: you sat there and watched it and that was it. Passive entertainment isn't exactly known for being stimulating to the intellect.

You see, there's the thing -- I don't agree that all TV is passive entertainment. I'm not being passive when I watch a Brit police procedural. Yes, what I'm thinking about is pre-determined, but once one selects a stimulus, that's true of them all, be it a calculus text or Inspector Morse. My dad interacted with Columbo.

I know I'm probably being a little naive on that point, and it's admittedly a very long time since I read McLuhan and didn't really pay enough attention even then. But even admitting that there's a narrower range within which to operate -- even admitting, say, that television watching is always a passive activity -- are there gradations, and is entertainment increasingly aimed at a lower intelligence level, i.e. does it call for even less engagement? And if so, is there an effect?

Like I say, just questions.
 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
25. I don't think I did mix up your cases
Tue May 15, 2012, 02:58 PM
May 2012

1) agreed. In the US at the moment disparities seem to be increasing. Not universally around the globe, but here certainly.

2) that's what I was getting at in my response.

Low IQs aren't caused by subjective disparity but can be influenced by absolute poverty: ie not having enough food in childhood. So while a poor person today is much poorer than a rich person today in relative terms in absolute terms they are quite a bit better off than a poor person of a hundred years ago with relation to things that are known to affect IQ (nutrition, disease, pollution, access to stimulating materials, etc).

You mistake concerns about the content of the entertainment for something else, it seems. I don't have any objections to video games; I do object to the violent, misogynist content of many of them, for instance.


Many people have been trying really hard to find a connection between violence in video games and violence in real life and so far it has failed to materialize.

 

iverglas

(38,549 posts)
27. okay, well, we seem to be getting bogged in side issues
Tue May 15, 2012, 03:32 PM
May 2012

Once again, I was not positing any connection between income (disparity) and IQ. I of course am quite aware of the ways in which income itself could influence IQ, including nutrition and exposure to stimulation.

I was just trying to explain the concept of "relative", I guess. And of distribution. I know you don't need such things explained; I mean explaining them generally and how I was applying them to IQ.

Average income in a country, or all incomes in a country, can be rising at the same time as income disparity is rising. The poor are getting slightly richer, but are getting poorer relative to the rich. Or the middle is disappearing. That sort of thing.

Average absolute IQ scores, say, could be rising at the same time as the concentrations in the upper and lower ranges were growing.

It looks like that isn't the case -- at least among children. The lowest IQ scores are now rising more than the highest IQ scores.

Was it me who introduced IQ to the discussion? Because that actually isn't the issue in the OP, I think.

Supposedly IQ stays pretty constant throughout life. Well, I can tell you, I tested at 145+ in childhood, and there's no damned way I would today. Unless, maybe, I started doing as many IQ-type tests as I did back then. Hell, I can't even read some of the books I read as a kid. I picked up A Traveller in Time a couple of years ago, something I'd read over and over in my very early teens, and looked at the first paragraph and thought: wtf?? I did this for fun? A whole book of prose this dense and complex, and I got past this paragraph? Ivanhoe, in the original, when I was 8 -- I think not, today.

Use it or lose it? Well maybe I haven't lost it, but it's gone somewhere it would take a lot of pushups to get back.

Use it or lose the habit of using it? I dunno.

And then you also just lose track of the fact that there are things worth thinking about, things worth "using it" for, and they aren't whatever goes on in Jersey Shore.

And of course then we get to my favourite hobbyhorse, not just the dumbification but the glorification of the dumbness: the adulation of uninformed opinion, the notion that any opinion is as good as any other, that people deserve respect just because they have an opinion, and put it out there. The Jerry Springer syndrome. That's what Jersey Shore plays to: the formation of opinions about anything and everything, and anyone and everyone, based on whatever somebody decides is on offer to have an opinion about, and what will be provided as the basis for the opinion. And that goes for just nastiness, as well as dumbness. There's a lot of nasty around today, and the article in the OP mentioned that possible infuence, too; nastiness could be modelled as dumbness is.

And then the cultural denseness -- there is so much in the culture that is just there in yr face that you don't have to go looking for, that passive reception really is the mode to a considerable extent. What people are surrounded by actually ceases to be stimulation --- one of the reasons, it is thought, that IQs have been rising being more stimulation -- at a certain point, doesn't it? All you have to do is sit back and keep your eyes open and take in.

All of which really still is off track from the OP, which was really more about modelling than anything. See stupid, be stupid. But I've learned a little bit about something, and I will check out your earlier links later.



Many people have been trying really hard to find a connection between violence in video games and violence in real life and so far it has failed to materialize.

Again, what I said was just by way of explaining that I am not a cultural Luddite; I haven't voiced good-old-days objections to hand-held communication devices or something, or bemoaned the state of the younger generation. The issue was message rather than medium, in what I was talking about.

The effects of the message itself in that particular regard are a whole nother discussion. One just does have to wonder how things like misogyny are transmitted, though, if one assumes they aren't inborn.



This is not one of my more coherent posts. I do better when I'm talking about something I actually know something about.
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