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seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
Fri May 18, 2012, 08:03 AM May 2012

summer months. ok women, what book do we want to read and delve into. we have a poster

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that really knows her books.

how many are interested in a reading club. i really want to do this. i am a lifetime reader but i have never been in a book club. i use to take english classes as electives (surprise) so i got to do this in those classes. but, i really want to do this with a bunch of women.

who is game?

also, include what type of reading interests you and the type of reading that would literally turn you off so much, you would not want to participate. maybe we can avoid those.

any angle on the type of book you like? historical? analytical? biography? fiction/nonfiction?

these are the books recommended so far:


Surfacing by Margaret Atwood:
Part detective novel, part psychological thriller, Surfacing is the story of a talented woman artist who goes in search of her missing father on a remote island in northern Quebec. Setting out with her lover and another young couple, she soon finds herself captivated by the isolated setting, where a marriage begins to fall apart, violence and death lurk just beneath the surface, and sex becomes a catalyst for conflict and dangerous choices. Surfacing is a work permeated with an aura of suspense, complex with layered meanings, and written in brilliant, diamond-sharp prose. Here is a rich mine of ideas from an extraordinary writer about contemporary life and nature, families and marriage, and about women fragmented...and becoming whole.


Cat's Eye by Margaret Atwood:
Elaine Risley, a painter, returns to Toronto to find herself overwhelmed by her past. Memories of childhood surface relentlessly, forcing her to confront the spectre of Cordelia, once her best friend and tormentor, who has haunted her for 40 years.


Bodily Harm by Margaret Atwood:
Rennie Wilford, a young journalist running for her life, takes an assignment on a Caribbean island and tumbles into a world where people are not what they seem. When a burnt-out Yankee offers Rennie a no-hooks, no-strings affair, she is caught up in a lethal web of corruption.


One Thousand White Women: The Journals of May Dodd:
Long, brisk, charming first novel about an 1875 treaty between Ulysses S. Grant and Little Wolf, chief of the Cheyenne nation, by the sports reporter and author of the memoir A Hunter's Road (1992). Little Wolf comes to Washington and suggests to President Grant that peace between the Whites and Cheyenne could be established if the Cheyenne were given white women as wives, and that the tribe would agree to raise the children from such unions. The thought of miscegenation naturally enough astounds Grant, but he sees a certain wisdom in trading 1,000 white women for 1,000 horses, and he secretly approves the Brides For Indians treaty. He recruits women from jails, penitentiaries, debtors' prisons, and mental institutionsoffering full pardons or unconditional release. May Dodd, born to wealth in Chicago in 1850, had left home in her teens and become the mistress of her father's grain-elevator foreman. Her outraged father had her kidnaped, imprisoning her in a monstrous lunatic asylum. When Grant's offer arrives, she leaps at it and soon finds herself traveling west with hundreds of white and black would-be brides. All are indentured to the Cheyenne for two years, must produce children, and then will have the option of leaving. May, who keeps the journal we read, marries Little Wolf and lives in a crowded tipi with his two other wives, their children, and an old crone who enforces the rules. Reading about life among the Cheyenne is spellbinding, especially when the women show up the braves at arm-wrestling, foot-racing, bow-shooting, and gambling. Liquor raises its evil head, as it will, and reduces the braves to savagery. But the women recover, go out on the winter kill with their husbands, and accompany them to a trading post where they drive hard bargains and stop the usual cheating of the braves. Eventually, when the cavalry attacks the Cheyenne, mistakenly thinking they're Crazy Horse's Sioux, May is killed. An impressive historical, terse, convincing, and affecting.

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summer months. ok women, what book do we want to read and delve into. we have a poster (Original Post) seabeyond May 2012 OP
I'd love to participate. MerryBlooms May 2012 #1
excellent. i would love for you to participate.... lol seabeyond May 2012 #2
I would like to participate, and good idea. boston bean May 2012 #3
I am interested in participating. MadrasT May 2012 #4
I like the idea.... Little Star May 2012 #5
Chapter One Little Star May 2012 #6
blah blah blah Little Star May 2012 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Little Star May 2012 #8
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Blah blah blah Little Star May 2012 #12
and so on Little Star May 2012 #13
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This message was self-deleted by its author Little Star May 2012 #11
Chapter two Little Star May 2012 #14
blah blah blah Little Star May 2012 #15
blah blah blah Little Star May 2012 #16
and so on Little Star May 2012 #17
Chapter three Little Star May 2012 #18
blah blah blah Little Star May 2012 #19
blah blah blah Little Star May 2012 #20
and so on Little Star May 2012 #21
Chapter four Little Star May 2012 #22
blah Little Star May 2012 #23
well, hell... lol, thanks little star for fuckin up my thread. ok, i did that just for you seabeyond May 2012 #26
Sorry I messed this up at first but can you get the idea?.. Little Star May 2012 #24
that is what i was visualizing. thank you for creating. one thread. we put the chapter. people can seabeyond May 2012 #27
Yes, that's what I was 'trying' to say anyway. lol Little Star May 2012 #32
That looks like it would work pretty well MadrasT May 2012 #28
lol! The thread got hot fast! I like the idea of the group reading a book.. Little Star May 2012 #31
I was just pretending I hadn't noticed. MerryBlooms May 2012 #34
lol Little Star May 2012 #37
ya... well, i get a pm apologizing for fuckin up a thread. i dont care. i am easy that way seabeyond May 2012 #38
I don't know of a subject or genre that would totally turn me off. MerryBlooms May 2012 #25
but NOT 50 shades of grey or i am pulling out degeneres reading. i hate for cult reads and movies seabeyond May 2012 #29
lol My 83 y/o MIL loved that book, said she couldn't put it down. MerryBlooms May 2012 #30
i heard the writing bad. it was a kindle author. i have read enough kindle author books to get seabeyond May 2012 #33
I don't own a Kindle (for now), so I'm clueless on that subject. MerryBlooms May 2012 #35
you need the cover. the perfect lighting to read with. i have tried so many and they seabeyond May 2012 #39
Has anyone read One Thousand White Women: The Journals of May Dodd ?... Little Star May 2012 #36
Whether we read it here or not- sounds like a winner and now on my list. ty MerryBlooms May 2012 #40
That's where I'm at too Merry. It sounds like a good read to me... Little Star May 2012 #41
One or more of Margaret Atwood's "other" books: BlueIris May 2012 #42
I just read the review for Surfacing and that one looks real good. Little Star May 2012 #51
Summer's going to be really busy for me, but I would still want to participate hlthe2b May 2012 #43
geez, woman, who are you kidding. your life is busy, lol. and cause yous till want to seabeyond May 2012 #45
I'd like to particiapte Texasgal May 2012 #44
me, TOO. lol seabeyond May 2012 #46
Huggys!!! Texasgal May 2012 #47
thank you. nt seabeyond May 2012 #48
I vote for Catseye since I already own it. Hatchling May 2012 #49
ha ha. do you want to read it again? i havent read it. i love reading a new story seabeyond May 2012 #50
I do read my books over and over again. Hatchling May 2012 #56
haha, I was going to say the same for Surfacing iverglas May 2012 #54
I would vote for "Bodily Harm" I love Atwood, but I've read the other 2 books. PassingFair May 2012 #52
good idea. i dont know. lets spend a couple more days seeing if there are other recommends, possibly seabeyond May 2012 #53
Could we consider a book of short stories? iverglas May 2012 #55
if our attention spans are as short iverglas May 2012 #57
lol. want to see about any other suggestion, especially those that have been in book club before seabeyond May 2012 #58
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
2. excellent. i would love for you to participate.... lol
Fri May 18, 2012, 08:25 AM
May 2012

this would be a fun thing that would allow us to get to know each other better, and i enjoy a lot of your posts. may not be interested in subjects int he forum, but can play in a thread about a book.

any angle on the type of book you like? historical? analytical? biography? fiction/nonfiction?

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
3. I would like to participate, and good idea.
Fri May 18, 2012, 09:03 AM
May 2012

However, who ever is going to run it, needs to be sure that it is run correctly.

Thinking about how many chapters per week, what the discussion will revolve around re that particular chapter.... etc.

Would like to see a discussion of the book, but one that is structured, so the thread can be read easily, and people have enough time to do the reading.

MadrasT

(7,237 posts)
4. I am interested in participating.
Fri May 18, 2012, 09:12 AM
May 2012

I don't have the bandwidth to be part of running it though.

There really aren't any genres that would turn me off, I am a reading hound and like all the angles you mentioned: historical? analytical? biography? fiction/nonfiction

Little Star

(17,055 posts)
5. I like the idea....
Fri May 18, 2012, 09:16 AM
May 2012

but would like to see some structure so that there do not end up having a million threads clogging up the group forum. Sorry, I'm a little anal, lol.

Let me see if I can make an example of what I'm thinking here in a sub thread:


NAME OF BOOK

Response to Little Star (Reply #7)

Response to Little Star (Reply #8)

Response to Little Star (Reply #5)

Response to Little Star (Reply #10)

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
26. well, hell... lol, thanks little star for fuckin up my thread. ok, i did that just for you
Fri May 18, 2012, 09:53 AM
May 2012

and really .... i stopped cussing but it worked here.

i dont get it. but you can all figure it out. yes. i think structure is important, but my mind doesnt wnat to play the game of figuring it out or implementing. just being told what to do and enjoying it.

Little Star

(17,055 posts)
24. Sorry I messed this up at first but can you get the idea?..
Fri May 18, 2012, 09:26 AM
May 2012

That way there would only be one thread for the whole book. Or if it's a long book with lots of conversation maybe we'd need just a few threads.


Just a suggestion, take what you like and leave the rest.

Me, I just hate clutter, lol

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
27. that is what i was visualizing. thank you for creating. one thread. we put the chapter. people can
Fri May 18, 2012, 09:54 AM
May 2012

go to a specific chapter to discuss. or check back to or whatever.

is that what you are saying. i think that is a must.....

MadrasT

(7,237 posts)
28. That looks like it would work pretty well
Fri May 18, 2012, 09:54 AM
May 2012

To contain the conversation in some kind of structure that isn't just completely random.

And LOL, I initially wondered how this thread exploded from 2 or 3 posts to two dozen in like 15 minutes... it just didn't seem that loaded a topic.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
38. ya... well, i get a pm apologizing for fuckin up a thread. i dont care. i am easy that way
Fri May 18, 2012, 10:53 AM
May 2012

came in to see what was being talked about and saw the explosion in posts and was a chuckle, too. didnt get it. was fun though....

gotta get to work. OFF the puter. now.

MerryBlooms

(11,767 posts)
25. I don't know of a subject or genre that would totally turn me off.
Fri May 18, 2012, 09:30 AM
May 2012

I love Historical fiction, Mystery, non fiction... I often have a couple of books going at the same time.

Love the idea.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
29. but NOT 50 shades of grey or i am pulling out degeneres reading. i hate for cult reads and movies
Fri May 18, 2012, 09:55 AM
May 2012

be forced on me.

and really, just playing with your post, throwing that in.

MerryBlooms

(11,767 posts)
30. lol My 83 y/o MIL loved that book, said she couldn't put it down.
Fri May 18, 2012, 10:07 AM
May 2012

It's not on my read list, but if the club chose it, I'd still participate.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
33. i heard the writing bad. it was a kindle author. i have read enough kindle author books to get
Fri May 18, 2012, 10:25 AM
May 2012

what this is about.

kindle authors have gone a way that "normal" editors/publishers dont go. i have found many different styles of books with kindle. and i have picked up a handful of these books. the first few are fun. then they become old and tired and same old.

but, the rating system on amazon has a lot to do with the direction of popularity and not often enough is it about the writing.

MerryBlooms

(11,767 posts)
35. I don't own a Kindle (for now), so I'm clueless on that subject.
Fri May 18, 2012, 10:36 AM
May 2012

I was thinking about asking one for my upcoming birthday. I read in bed a lot, so I thought it may be easier than monkeying around with my reading glasses, lighting and all.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
39. you need the cover. the perfect lighting to read with. i have tried so many and they
Fri May 18, 2012, 10:56 AM
May 2012

made it tough. i read, hubby sleeps. he likes me in bed with him. this is the first one that really works.

he got me a fire and i use for all kinds of things, but too heavy for me to read in bead. i like my kindle that is light.

i love books, and owning them, and looking at them, and shelving them and looking at them some more. i didnt think i wanted a kindle. i LOVE it. if i had to take one thing, and one thing only, i would take my kindle with over 700 books in it, lol. though hubby says he would have to have a solar power battery charger. that can be his one thing, lol.

Little Star

(17,055 posts)
36. Has anyone read One Thousand White Women: The Journals of May Dodd ?...
Fri May 18, 2012, 10:41 AM
May 2012

I haven't read it yet but it is on my to read list because a few people highly recommended it to me.

Here are a couple reviews with a link to more:

From Booklist
An American western with a most unusual twist, this is an imaginative fictional account of the participation of May Dodd and others in the controversial "Brides for Indians" program, a clandestine U.S. government^-sponsored program intended to instruct "savages" in the ways of civilization and to assimilate the Indians into white culture through the offspring of these unions. May's personal journals, loaded with humor and intelligent reflection, describe the adventures of some very colorful white brides (including one black one), their marriages to Cheyenne warriors, and the natural abundance of life on the prairie before the final press of the white man's civilization. Fergus is gifted in his ability to portray the perceptions and emotions of women. He writes with tremendous insight and sensitivity about the individual community and the political and religious issues of the time, many of which are still relevant today. This book is artistically rendered with meticulous attention to small details that bring to life the daily concerns of a group of hardy souls at a pivotal time in U.S. history. Grace Fill --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.

From Kirkus Reviews
Long, brisk, charming first novel about an 1875 treaty between Ulysses S. Grant and Little Wolf, chief of the Cheyenne nation, by the sports reporter and author of the memoir A Hunter's Road (1992). Little Wolf comes to Washington and suggests to President Grant that peace between the Whites and Cheyenne could be established if the Cheyenne were given white women as wives, and that the tribe would agree to raise the children from such unions. The thought of miscegenation naturally enough astounds Grant, but he sees a certain wisdom in trading 1,000 white women for 1,000 horses, and he secretly approves the Brides For Indians treaty. He recruits women from jails, penitentiaries, debtors' prisons, and mental institutionsoffering full pardons or unconditional release. May Dodd, born to wealth in Chicago in 1850, had left home in her teens and become the mistress of her father's grain-elevator foreman. Her outraged father had her kidnaped, imprisoning her in a monstrous lunatic asylum. When Grant's offer arrives, she leaps at it and soon finds herself traveling west with hundreds of white and black would-be brides. All are indentured to the Cheyenne for two years, must produce children, and then will have the option of leaving. May, who keeps the journal we read, marries Little Wolf and lives in a crowded tipi with his two other wives, their children, and an old crone who enforces the rules. Reading about life among the Cheyenne is spellbinding, especially when the women show up the braves at arm-wrestling, foot-racing, bow-shooting, and gambling. Liquor raises its evil head, as it will, and reduces the braves to savagery. But the women recover, go out on the winter kill with their husbands, and accompany them to a trading post where they drive hard bargains and stop the usual cheating of the braves. Eventually, when the cavalry attacks the Cheyenne, mistakenly thinking they're Crazy Horse's Sioux, May is killed. An impressive historical, terse, convincing, and affecting. -- Copyright ©1998, Kirkus Associates, LP. All rights reserved. --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.


http://www.amazon.com/One-Thousand-White-Women-Journals/dp/product-description/0312199430/ref=dp_proddesc_0?ie=UTF8&n=283155&s=books

Just came to my mind and out of my mouth! Which is nothing new these days, lol

Little Star

(17,055 posts)
41. That's where I'm at too Merry. It sounds like a good read to me...
Fri May 18, 2012, 01:15 PM
May 2012

but maybe not what people are looking for in this group and that's ok too.

BlueIris

(29,135 posts)
42. One or more of Margaret Atwood's "other" books:
Fri May 18, 2012, 10:43 PM
May 2012
Surfacing, Cat's Eye and Bodily Harm would be good reads for this group.

I just don't want to read The Handmaid's Tale one more time.

hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
43. Summer's going to be really busy for me, but I would still want to participate
Sat May 19, 2012, 10:21 AM
May 2012

if I possibly can. Good on ya, Seabeyond for bringing this back up.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
45. geez, woman, who are you kidding. your life is busy, lol. and cause yous till want to
Sat May 19, 2012, 11:15 AM
May 2012

participate, this is what makes you always, busy. so cute.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
50. ha ha. do you want to read it again? i havent read it. i love reading a new story
Sat May 19, 2012, 02:21 PM
May 2012

but then, i can read others over and over.

would it be fun for you?

Hatchling

(2,323 posts)
56. I do read my books over and over again.
Sun May 20, 2012, 04:54 PM
May 2012

But mostly it's a money issue. If it's a newer popular book, my library might not have it or there might be a long waiting list for it.

 

iverglas

(38,549 posts)
54. haha, I was going to say the same for Surfacing
Sun May 20, 2012, 12:32 PM
May 2012

Read it when it was published, must still have it jammed in a bookshelf. Hated it, really.

I read that and whatever the one before it was and no more. The Edible Woman, that's it. Not a huge Atwood fan, personally, and of course being Canadian I had her on all the right lists. Never did read Handmaid's Tale. I should say I didn't read more of her stuff mainly because I didn't read much after a certain point other than for pure entertainment - the Brit mysteries - and not because I dislike her intensely or anything.

I'd probably rather not read something as US-specific as May, and I also have reservations (forgive me) about narrations of a culture from a non-member perspective (and of course also about narrations in appropriated voice).


I'm taking the rest that I had put out and making a separate post.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
53. good idea. i dont know. lets spend a couple more days seeing if there are other recommends, possibly
Sun May 20, 2012, 11:55 AM
May 2012

and then do a poll.

really, how i feel, is not many of us is going to care, so i think a person who has already read something and wants something new should have a little more weight in the vote.

 

iverglas

(38,549 posts)
55. Could we consider a book of short stories?
Sun May 20, 2012, 12:34 PM
May 2012

It might just be easier to handle, and easier for more people to participate, if they could read some and not all of the stories.

Canadian women have long had a very strong literary voice, and short stories is a genre in which some have excelled. Alice Munro is the, um, mistress of the genre. She writes about women's lives and her writing is very accessible. The only story I remember specifically from reading long ago is the one with a line that goes something like "More like birds than birds themselves", which I think every time I see an image that reminds me of the story. Lives of Girls and Women, 1971, that was the one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Munro

Alice Ann Munro (née Laidlaw; born 10 July 1931) is a Canadian short-story writer, the winner of the 2009 Man Booker International Prize for her lifetime body of work, a three-time winner of Canada's Governor General's Award for fiction, and a perennial contender for the Nobel Prize. Generally regarded as one of the world's foremost writers of fiction, Munro writes about the human condition and relationships seen through the lens of daily life. While the locus of Munro’s fiction is her native Southwestern Ontario, her reputation as a short-story writer is international. Her "accessible, moving stories" explore human complexities in a seemingly effortless style. Munro's writing has established her as "one of our greatest contemporary writers of fiction," or, as Cynthia Ozick put it, "our Chekhov."

I throw her out as an example of the short story suggestion, but I do think she herself is worth considering.

Many of Munro's stories are set in Huron County, Ontario. Her strong regional focus is one of the features of her fiction. Another is the omniscient narrator who serves to make sense of the world. Many compare Munro's small-town settings to writers of the U.S. rural South. As in the works of William Faulkner and Flannery O'Connor, her characters often confront deep-rooted customs and traditions. However, the reaction of Munro's characters is less intense than their Southern counterparts'. Thus, particularly with respect to her male characters, she may be said to capture the essence of every man. Her female characters, though, are more complex. Much of Munro's work exemplifies the literary genre known as Southern Ontario Gothic.

Munro's work is often compared with the great short story writers. For example, the American writer Cynthia Ozick called Munro "our Chekhov." In Munro stories, as in Chekhov's, plot is secondary and "little happens." As with Chekhov, Garan Holcombe notes: "All is based on the epiphanic moment, the sudden enlightenment, the concise, subtle, revelatory detail." Munro's work deals with "love and work, and the failings of both. She shares Chekhov’s obsession with time and our much-lamented inability to delay or prevent its relentless movement forward."

A frequent theme of her work—particularly evident in her early stories—has been the dilemmas of a girl coming of age and coming to terms with her family and the small town she grew up in. In recent work such as Hateship, Friendship, Courtship, Loveship, Marriage (2001) and Runaway (2004) she has shifted her focus to the travails of middle age, of women alone and of the elderly. It is a mark of her style for characters to experience a revelation that sheds light on, and gives meaning to, an event.

Munro's spare and lucid language and command of detail gives her fiction a "remarkable precision," as Helen Hoy observes. Munro's prose reveals the ambiguities of life: "ironic and serious at the same time," "mottoes of godliness and honor and flaming bigotry," "special, useless knowledge," "tones of shrill and happy outrage," "the bad taste, the heartlessness, the joy of it." Her style places the fantastic next to the ordinary with each undercutting the other in ways that simply, and effortlessly, evoke life. As Robert Thacker notes: "Munro's writing creates ... an empathetic union among readers, critics most apparent among them. We are drawn to her writing by its verisimilitude—not of mimesis, so-called and... 'realism'—but rather the feeling of being itself... of just being a human being." Many critics have asserted that Munro's stories often have the emotional and literary depth of novels. The question of whether Munro actually writes short-stories or novels has often been asked. Alex Keegan, writing in Eclectica, has a simple answer: "Who cares? In most Munro stories there is as much as in many novels."


Aha, this might be the one to go for:

Her story "The Bear Came Over the Mountain" was adapted for the screen and directed by Sarah Polley as the film Away from Her, starring Julie Christie and Gordon Pinsent. It debuted at the 2006 Toronto International Film Festival. Polley's adaptation was nominated for an Academy Award for Best Adapted Screenplay, but lost to No Country for Old Men.

Then the lazy like me could just watch the flick! Or maybe we should wait for her next one:

At a Toronto appearance in October 2009, Munro indicated that she received treatment for cancer and a heart condition, the latter requiring bypass surgery. At that time, she indicated that her next work would involve a theme of sexual ambivalence.



omg -- "The Bear Came Over the Mountain" is available on line!

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/1999/12/27/1999_12_27_110_TNY_LIBRY_000019900

Wouldn't that be an easy way to ease into the process for a starter?


Now in a thread about reading, don't anybody be saying my posts are too long!!
 

iverglas

(38,549 posts)
57. if our attention spans are as short
Mon May 21, 2012, 01:08 PM
May 2012

as this thread might indicate, perhaps short stories really are a good idea.

Anybody want to look at "The Bear Came Over the Mountain"
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/1999/12/27/1999_12_27_110_TNY_LIBRY_000019900
and see what they think?

Just a suggestion for a jump-start to the season.

I kind of like the idea that it was also a movie, particularly that it was directed by Sarah Polley.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0491747/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Polley
Many of the actors are Canadian -- Gordon Pinsent, a grand old man of Cdn TV and cinema, Alberta Watson, Wendy Crewson -- but it also stars Olympia Dukakis and Julie Christie (which says a lot for the young Sarah Polley, 27 at the time). And the theme song is Neil Young's Harvest Moon. Just don't read the whole plot!

Tout, tout.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
58. lol. want to see about any other suggestion, especially those that have been in book club before
Tue May 22, 2012, 08:41 AM
May 2012

but short stories sound fun and like a good idea. couple more days and i will put up a poll for us to vote on.

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