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that really knows her books.
how many are interested in a reading club. i really want to do this. i am a lifetime reader but i have never been in a book club. i use to take english classes as electives (surprise) so i got to do this in those classes. but, i really want to do this with a bunch of women.
who is game?
also, include what type of reading interests you and the type of reading that would literally turn you off so much, you would not want to participate. maybe we can avoid those.
any angle on the type of book you like? historical? analytical? biography? fiction/nonfiction?
these are the books recommended so far:
Surfacing by Margaret Atwood:
Part detective novel, part psychological thriller, Surfacing is the story of a talented woman artist who goes in search of her missing father on a remote island in northern Quebec. Setting out with her lover and another young couple, she soon finds herself captivated by the isolated setting, where a marriage begins to fall apart, violence and death lurk just beneath the surface, and sex becomes a catalyst for conflict and dangerous choices. Surfacing is a work permeated with an aura of suspense, complex with layered meanings, and written in brilliant, diamond-sharp prose. Here is a rich mine of ideas from an extraordinary writer about contemporary life and nature, families and marriage, and about women fragmented...and becoming whole.
Cat's Eye by Margaret Atwood:
Elaine Risley, a painter, returns to Toronto to find herself overwhelmed by her past. Memories of childhood surface relentlessly, forcing her to confront the spectre of Cordelia, once her best friend and tormentor, who has haunted her for 40 years.
Bodily Harm by Margaret Atwood:
Rennie Wilford, a young journalist running for her life, takes an assignment on a Caribbean island and tumbles into a world where people are not what they seem. When a burnt-out Yankee offers Rennie a no-hooks, no-strings affair, she is caught up in a lethal web of corruption.
One Thousand White Women: The Journals of May Dodd:
Long, brisk, charming first novel about an 1875 treaty between Ulysses S. Grant and Little Wolf, chief of the Cheyenne nation, by the sports reporter and author of the memoir A Hunter's Road (1992). Little Wolf comes to Washington and suggests to President Grant that peace between the Whites and Cheyenne could be established if the Cheyenne were given white women as wives, and that the tribe would agree to raise the children from such unions. The thought of miscegenation naturally enough astounds Grant, but he sees a certain wisdom in trading 1,000 white women for 1,000 horses, and he secretly approves the Brides For Indians treaty. He recruits women from jails, penitentiaries, debtors' prisons, and mental institutionsoffering full pardons or unconditional release. May Dodd, born to wealth in Chicago in 1850, had left home in her teens and become the mistress of her father's grain-elevator foreman. Her outraged father had her kidnaped, imprisoning her in a monstrous lunatic asylum. When Grant's offer arrives, she leaps at it and soon finds herself traveling west with hundreds of white and black would-be brides. All are indentured to the Cheyenne for two years, must produce children, and then will have the option of leaving. May, who keeps the journal we read, marries Little Wolf and lives in a crowded tipi with his two other wives, their children, and an old crone who enforces the rules. Reading about life among the Cheyenne is spellbinding, especially when the women show up the braves at arm-wrestling, foot-racing, bow-shooting, and gambling. Liquor raises its evil head, as it will, and reduces the braves to savagery. But the women recover, go out on the winter kill with their husbands, and accompany them to a trading post where they drive hard bargains and stop the usual cheating of the braves. Eventually, when the cavalry attacks the Cheyenne, mistakenly thinking they're Crazy Horse's Sioux, May is killed. An impressive historical, terse, convincing, and affecting.
MerryBlooms
(11,767 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)this would be a fun thing that would allow us to get to know each other better, and i enjoy a lot of your posts. may not be interested in subjects int he forum, but can play in a thread about a book.
any angle on the type of book you like? historical? analytical? biography? fiction/nonfiction?
boston bean
(36,221 posts)However, who ever is going to run it, needs to be sure that it is run correctly.
Thinking about how many chapters per week, what the discussion will revolve around re that particular chapter.... etc.
Would like to see a discussion of the book, but one that is structured, so the thread can be read easily, and people have enough time to do the reading.
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)I don't have the bandwidth to be part of running it though.
There really aren't any genres that would turn me off, I am a reading hound and like all the angles you mentioned: historical? analytical? biography? fiction/nonfiction
Little Star
(17,055 posts)but would like to see some structure so that there do not end up having a million threads clogging up the group forum. Sorry, I'm a little anal, lol.
Let me see if I can make an example of what I'm thinking here in a sub thread:
NAME OF BOOK
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(17,055 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)and really .... i stopped cussing but it worked here.
i dont get it. but you can all figure it out. yes. i think structure is important, but my mind doesnt wnat to play the game of figuring it out or implementing. just being told what to do and enjoying it.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)That way there would only be one thread for the whole book. Or if it's a long book with lots of conversation maybe we'd need just a few threads.
Just a suggestion, take what you like and leave the rest.
Me, I just hate clutter, lol
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)go to a specific chapter to discuss. or check back to or whatever.
is that what you are saying. i think that is a must.....
Little Star
(17,055 posts)MadrasT
(7,237 posts)To contain the conversation in some kind of structure that isn't just completely random.
And LOL, I initially wondered how this thread exploded from 2 or 3 posts to two dozen in like 15 minutes... it just didn't seem that loaded a topic.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)it would be fun I bet.
MerryBlooms
(11,767 posts)Little Star
(17,055 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)came in to see what was being talked about and saw the explosion in posts and was a chuckle, too. didnt get it. was fun though....
gotta get to work. OFF the puter. now.
MerryBlooms
(11,767 posts)I love Historical fiction, Mystery, non fiction... I often have a couple of books going at the same time.
Love the idea.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)be forced on me.
and really, just playing with your post, throwing that in.
MerryBlooms
(11,767 posts)It's not on my read list, but if the club chose it, I'd still participate.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)what this is about.
kindle authors have gone a way that "normal" editors/publishers dont go. i have found many different styles of books with kindle. and i have picked up a handful of these books. the first few are fun. then they become old and tired and same old.
but, the rating system on amazon has a lot to do with the direction of popularity and not often enough is it about the writing.
MerryBlooms
(11,767 posts)I was thinking about asking one for my upcoming birthday. I read in bed a lot, so I thought it may be easier than monkeying around with my reading glasses, lighting and all.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)made it tough. i read, hubby sleeps. he likes me in bed with him. this is the first one that really works.
he got me a fire and i use for all kinds of things, but too heavy for me to read in bead. i like my kindle that is light.
i love books, and owning them, and looking at them, and shelving them and looking at them some more. i didnt think i wanted a kindle. i LOVE it. if i had to take one thing, and one thing only, i would take my kindle with over 700 books in it, lol. though hubby says he would have to have a solar power battery charger. that can be his one thing, lol.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)I haven't read it yet but it is on my to read list because a few people highly recommended it to me.
Here are a couple reviews with a link to more:
An American western with a most unusual twist, this is an imaginative fictional account of the participation of May Dodd and others in the controversial "Brides for Indians" program, a clandestine U.S. government^-sponsored program intended to instruct "savages" in the ways of civilization and to assimilate the Indians into white culture through the offspring of these unions. May's personal journals, loaded with humor and intelligent reflection, describe the adventures of some very colorful white brides (including one black one), their marriages to Cheyenne warriors, and the natural abundance of life on the prairie before the final press of the white man's civilization. Fergus is gifted in his ability to portray the perceptions and emotions of women. He writes with tremendous insight and sensitivity about the individual community and the political and religious issues of the time, many of which are still relevant today. This book is artistically rendered with meticulous attention to small details that bring to life the daily concerns of a group of hardy souls at a pivotal time in U.S. history. Grace Fill --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.
From Kirkus Reviews
Long, brisk, charming first novel about an 1875 treaty between Ulysses S. Grant and Little Wolf, chief of the Cheyenne nation, by the sports reporter and author of the memoir A Hunter's Road (1992). Little Wolf comes to Washington and suggests to President Grant that peace between the Whites and Cheyenne could be established if the Cheyenne were given white women as wives, and that the tribe would agree to raise the children from such unions. The thought of miscegenation naturally enough astounds Grant, but he sees a certain wisdom in trading 1,000 white women for 1,000 horses, and he secretly approves the Brides For Indians treaty. He recruits women from jails, penitentiaries, debtors' prisons, and mental institutionsoffering full pardons or unconditional release. May Dodd, born to wealth in Chicago in 1850, had left home in her teens and become the mistress of her father's grain-elevator foreman. Her outraged father had her kidnaped, imprisoning her in a monstrous lunatic asylum. When Grant's offer arrives, she leaps at it and soon finds herself traveling west with hundreds of white and black would-be brides. All are indentured to the Cheyenne for two years, must produce children, and then will have the option of leaving. May, who keeps the journal we read, marries Little Wolf and lives in a crowded tipi with his two other wives, their children, and an old crone who enforces the rules. Reading about life among the Cheyenne is spellbinding, especially when the women show up the braves at arm-wrestling, foot-racing, bow-shooting, and gambling. Liquor raises its evil head, as it will, and reduces the braves to savagery. But the women recover, go out on the winter kill with their husbands, and accompany them to a trading post where they drive hard bargains and stop the usual cheating of the braves. Eventually, when the cavalry attacks the Cheyenne, mistakenly thinking they're Crazy Horse's Sioux, May is killed. An impressive historical, terse, convincing, and affecting. -- Copyright ©1998, Kirkus Associates, LP. All rights reserved. --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.
http://www.amazon.com/One-Thousand-White-Women-Journals/dp/product-description/0312199430/ref=dp_proddesc_0?ie=UTF8&n=283155&s=books
Just came to my mind and out of my mouth! Which is nothing new these days, lol
MerryBlooms
(11,767 posts)Little Star
(17,055 posts)but maybe not what people are looking for in this group and that's ok too.
BlueIris
(29,135 posts)I just don't want to read The Handmaid's Tale one more time.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)hlthe2b
(102,225 posts)if I possibly can. Good on ya, Seabeyond for bringing this back up.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)participate, this is what makes you always, busy. so cute.
Texasgal
(17,045 posts)I read ALOT.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i need a hug
Texasgal
(17,045 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Hatchling
(2,323 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)but then, i can read others over and over.
would it be fun for you?
Hatchling
(2,323 posts)But mostly it's a money issue. If it's a newer popular book, my library might not have it or there might be a long waiting list for it.
iverglas
(38,549 posts)Read it when it was published, must still have it jammed in a bookshelf. Hated it, really.
I read that and whatever the one before it was and no more. The Edible Woman, that's it. Not a huge Atwood fan, personally, and of course being Canadian I had her on all the right lists. Never did read Handmaid's Tale. I should say I didn't read more of her stuff mainly because I didn't read much after a certain point other than for pure entertainment - the Brit mysteries - and not because I dislike her intensely or anything.
I'd probably rather not read something as US-specific as May, and I also have reservations (forgive me) about narrations of a culture from a non-member perspective (and of course also about narrations in appropriated voice).
I'm taking the rest that I had put out and making a separate post.
PassingFair
(22,434 posts)Could you do a poll?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)and then do a poll.
really, how i feel, is not many of us is going to care, so i think a person who has already read something and wants something new should have a little more weight in the vote.
iverglas
(38,549 posts)It might just be easier to handle, and easier for more people to participate, if they could read some and not all of the stories.
Canadian women have long had a very strong literary voice, and short stories is a genre in which some have excelled. Alice Munro is the, um, mistress of the genre. She writes about women's lives and her writing is very accessible. The only story I remember specifically from reading long ago is the one with a line that goes something like "More like birds than birds themselves", which I think every time I see an image that reminds me of the story. Lives of Girls and Women, 1971, that was the one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Munro
I throw her out as an example of the short story suggestion, but I do think she herself is worth considering.
Munro's work is often compared with the great short story writers. For example, the American writer Cynthia Ozick called Munro "our Chekhov." In Munro stories, as in Chekhov's, plot is secondary and "little happens." As with Chekhov, Garan Holcombe notes: "All is based on the epiphanic moment, the sudden enlightenment, the concise, subtle, revelatory detail." Munro's work deals with "love and work, and the failings of both. She shares Chekhovs obsession with time and our much-lamented inability to delay or prevent its relentless movement forward."
A frequent theme of her workparticularly evident in her early storieshas been the dilemmas of a girl coming of age and coming to terms with her family and the small town she grew up in. In recent work such as Hateship, Friendship, Courtship, Loveship, Marriage (2001) and Runaway (2004) she has shifted her focus to the travails of middle age, of women alone and of the elderly. It is a mark of her style for characters to experience a revelation that sheds light on, and gives meaning to, an event.
Munro's spare and lucid language and command of detail gives her fiction a "remarkable precision," as Helen Hoy observes. Munro's prose reveals the ambiguities of life: "ironic and serious at the same time," "mottoes of godliness and honor and flaming bigotry," "special, useless knowledge," "tones of shrill and happy outrage," "the bad taste, the heartlessness, the joy of it." Her style places the fantastic next to the ordinary with each undercutting the other in ways that simply, and effortlessly, evoke life. As Robert Thacker notes: "Munro's writing creates ... an empathetic union among readers, critics most apparent among them. We are drawn to her writing by its verisimilitudenot of mimesis, so-called and... 'realism'but rather the feeling of being itself... of just being a human being." Many critics have asserted that Munro's stories often have the emotional and literary depth of novels. The question of whether Munro actually writes short-stories or novels has often been asked. Alex Keegan, writing in Eclectica, has a simple answer: "Who cares? In most Munro stories there is as much as in many novels."
Aha, this might be the one to go for:
Then the lazy like me could just watch the flick! Or maybe we should wait for her next one:
omg -- "The Bear Came Over the Mountain" is available on line!
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/1999/12/27/1999_12_27_110_TNY_LIBRY_000019900
Wouldn't that be an easy way to ease into the process for a starter?
Now in a thread about reading, don't anybody be saying my posts are too long!!
iverglas
(38,549 posts)as this thread might indicate, perhaps short stories really are a good idea.
Anybody want to look at "The Bear Came Over the Mountain"
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/1999/12/27/1999_12_27_110_TNY_LIBRY_000019900
and see what they think?
Just a suggestion for a jump-start to the season.
I kind of like the idea that it was also a movie, particularly that it was directed by Sarah Polley.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0491747/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Polley
Many of the actors are Canadian -- Gordon Pinsent, a grand old man of Cdn TV and cinema, Alberta Watson, Wendy Crewson -- but it also stars Olympia Dukakis and Julie Christie (which says a lot for the young Sarah Polley, 27 at the time). And the theme song is Neil Young's Harvest Moon. Just don't read the whole plot!
Tout, tout.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)but short stories sound fun and like a good idea. couple more days and i will put up a poll for us to vote on.