The Red Pill

[boston bean]

Please read this entire article and let me know how often you've run into these types on the net. It's a little long but worth the read. Maybe we can help eachother out when we face this utter bullshit and learn to counter it.

Inside Red Pill, The Weird New Cult For Men Who Don't Understand Women

"A woman is a lock and a man is a key. If a key opens a lot of locks, it is a master key. But if one lock is opened by lots of keys, it is a dodgy lock." -Redditredpill

The man who uses the Internet handle "Redditredpill" is having difficulty understanding women after going to a nightclub with some friends. As he tells it, "girls threw themselves at us for a sip of our vodka, to sit with us, to feel wanted." These girls had "no intent on actually getting with [him]":

Imagine the reverse. I tried it. A table of girls, I went over to the girls on other side of club, and said 'Hi, can I get a sip of your champagne? Can I join you?'

What was the response? 'F--- off, go away, who are you, why should we let you sit with us?'

Said exactly the same to the skanks that came up to us [...] So a group of single girls on a table allowed some skanks to sit with them, rather then an attractive male, who they didn't know, [who] actually had a table himself [...]

Point is, they tried [...] and failed. And I tried to go to a group of girls and that failed too, as they thought they were superior.

This may sound like the instigatory words of someone looking for a fight, sarcasm gone too far at best. But Redditredpill shared his story in earnest with a very specific community that empathizes with his perspective.

It's more than a perspective, in fact: It's a philosophy.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-red-pill-reddit-2013-8#ixzz2ey3Iris2

[hlthe2b]

1. re:

"The basis of this philosophy, which underpins almost all conversations in his community, is that females get away with things by virtue of being female" and ""You are hating women because you have the wrong expectations for them. Don't hate someone for something they CANNOT be. Women are, by nature, manipulative, attention-seeking, inconsistent, emotional, and hypergamous. Accept this truth. Once you do, you can game women for what they are ... not what you want them to be."

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-red-pill-reddit-2013-8#ixzz2ey6Uc4OZ

Sadly, one need not move from the confines of DU (and what I hope to be a small minority of DUers) to see this philosophy in action and the resultant need to blame all problems on women...

[boston bean]

2. Yep and this:

For Red Pillers, genuine reality goes something like this: Female oppression is a myth and men are the ones holding the short end of the stick. That said, men and women are inherently different due to evolution, so each gender should carry out its designated role in society. For example, females should raise children at home and men should work and have sex with women.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-red-pill-reddit-2013-8#ixzz2ey8FkW4Z

If people don't think this stuff is out there is at the least sexist, more likely misogynist, they aren't thinking critically.

We are still stuck in so many ways and these ideas and feelings are quite common. Just take a look here on DU how many believe that men are biologically built to go after younger women to spread their seed.

What happens to the women they married. Is she to accept this. What good does it do her? And she gets stuck with an old fogey. They got it all set! Hey wife, I'm suppose to be doing this. It's what men do. They can't help it. And now you have to stay married to me cause you are built to be attracted to old geezers like me.

[Squinch]

3. So disturbing. I try to look on the bright side of these movements and say that

they are indications that we have come far enough to be threatening. And these guys are obviously so threatened. But I fear we are at a kind of fulcrum point. Either attitudes like Redpill's gain momentum, or feminist attitudes gain momentum. And as women gain more equality, more men will be threatened. Imagine the exploding heads if we were ever to get a legislature that was, say, 30% female.

I think our lifetimes are going to decide if we go forward or veer backward in terms of women's rights. If we go backward, it will be a long time before we make headway again. And I think it could go either way.

[boston bean]

4. We have challenged and fought these ideas before...

Did we not really gain anything. I remember a time when these types of ideas would be maligned by liberals. Today, I am sorry to say I see them being embraced. Right here on DU.

Or is it the web has given these brute neanderthals a voice, and they are convincing others.

It could almost be compared to a day in the future where people thought slavery was good and want to bring back the good ole days.

[Squinch]

6. We have gained, but each two steps forward earns one step back.

We do have these "Redpill" ideas right here on DU, certainly.

But I am heartened to see that in the discussions of the past few days, I had the impression there were very few stating them.

The posters who hold these ideas do tend to get into a thread and throw out post after post after post, so it seems as if their ideas have a following. But when I looked at the pros and antis, I saw only four or five names. And they were exactly the ones you expect, so it isn't as if they are gaining any new "little buddies." (I even logged out to see if this perception changed when I saw posts from people I ignore. The situation didn't seem to change.)

There were also many infrequent posters who jumped in to voice definite disgust with the "Red Pill"-type sentiments being expressed.

And there were quite a few posts from men who are perfectly aware of what goes on, who realize that they are in a position to do something about when they are among other men, and who are eager to do so.

So I think that on DU, though there are definitely troglodites, there is also room for hope.

In the wider world, though, not so much. And the disappointment is that so many women are eagerly joining in the co-opting of women's bodies for the use of institutions or ideals or people other than themselves.

[boston bean]

8. If it is a few people, who are quite forceful in their views, why are they

accepted here on DU?

I think it's because people don't find it all that offensive, and that says a lot about how the site is run. Why do women have to put up with any of this shit here?

[Squinch]

12. There is that. I think it's because the powers that be here don't find it all that offensive.

I don't know that it applies to anything like the majority here, or even a number of any significance. Just the powers that be. Which is, truly, very sad.

Why we have to put up with it? We shouldn't. But if we leave because of it, we have lost.

[seabeyond]

13. bro code. even very good men that may not think, feel, act that way MUST protect

there peer. bro code. even blatantly knowing it is wrong, they weigh whether turning on the bor code or offense to women are greater. if the slight is not strong enough, then they stick with the bro code.

the problem there, and being a parent is we know that inconsistency of message fails all of us.

so i bottom line it to

weak

i am so fuckin tired of weak. and weak is my headline now.

[seabeyond]

7. the web has given these brute neanderthals a voice, and they are convincing others.

this is what it is. and you have universities validating this info with a "science" that any scientist scoffs at. and media and movies reinforcing.

these are weak, cowardly men. it is that simple. lack the character and strength to be a better human being and blame it on their gender.

[boston bean]

9. I've seen a lot more of it over the past two years or so.

It's in your face.

[seabeyond]

11. yes. the line keeps being pushed and we keep saying it is all good, do not speak out. yes, i tell

boys, over the last two years... really i agree, we do things to women that would NEVER have been acceptable a mere couple years ago. the attack from political parties and conversation of women in the most vulgar manner for all to hear, even on the fuckin 24/7 news. all of it feeds to opening up the most disgusting view of women.

rampant

[ismnotwasm]

5. I've seen it

It's the sick leading the damaged and the blind leading the blind, but that doesn't change the essential fact these guys exist. Let me work out a few thoughts here, then get some sleep and I'll come back to this:

Take an average clueless benign sexist; a guy who who just doesn't think about it because he's never had to, has clumsy good intentions, but has never been called on it; normally he will react sheepishly if he is called on it, because he knows on some level he does have male privilege and---he doesn't hate women.

This type is highly indignant at stories of rape and abuse, but also is very reactionary when it's pointed out to be a male problem. He doesn't want to be cludged in a gendered group that includes rapists, even if, or especially if, he doesn't understand rape culture, and his participation in it.

These men are part of the problem yes, but they've started to pick up some of the memes of toxic groups like Red Pill, even if they see them as weird and weak and a little repulsive , because those memes cover a lot of defensive ground and are convenient defense mechanisms-- if you don't understand the actual misogyny it arises from.

Also Part of the problem IMO is a complete misunderstanding, of evolutionary biology and social anthropology; the largely discredited evolutionary psychology can take some of the blame for that.

Then Add in the actual misogynists ASIDE from groups such as Red Pill, I've personally identified more than one here at DU, they fly just under the radar. I'm not talking about the ones who just like to stir shit (I have a tendency to ignore those fuckers, it's the same old stinky shit)-there are any number of those types--but I'm talking clearly disturbed individuals.

So what we have is a mish-mash of hurt male feelings and dismissal of gender inequities that have no self responsibility and high dudgeon indignation---as in your feelings got hurt because, yes you are part of the problem, yes you got called on it, and yes you continue to refuse to acknowledge it--just look at the shit our male allies get for even DARING to bring up topics like rape.

Now what to do about it, how to be constructive in responses--that I'll need a little more sleep for. Damn cat woke me up at 4 in the am. OT, but I've decide to get a kitten so I can name it FC--fucking cat.

[seabeyond]

10. ah, and one more element.. well i can think of a couple more, is the rampant porn that continually

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reduces women and girls to things to be used in every aspect of a males vision, be it the net, our shows, the movies made for men always with a prostitute or stripper or walking down the damn street and ads with womens "parts".

[ismnotwasm]

14. Yes

The elephant in the living room. The whole thread about what's about what's age appropriate stems from this.

[NuclearDem]

15. Right, it's the standard reaction to the concept of rape culture.

Those same men get on the defensive when someone brings up the fact that rape culture exists. Even more so when it's explained to them that some of their behavior is a major contributor to the culture.

[MadrasT]

18. Totally OT but

I have cat named "Frannie Goddammit" because everytime I have to call her name it's because she is getting into something.

[ismnotwasm]

19. This cat

Whose actually name is "KiKi"--because we're alloriginal like that--- enjoys waking us up whenever she likes; sometimes wants ME and not my husband to let her outside even though he's closer because he watches TV in the front room, and had a hundred cat quirks like that and I find myself muttering "fucking cat" all too often.

And since I'm a sucker, I want another cat, only this time start out with a kitten (KiKi was a rescue cat in a foster home) and just plan her name realistically. Heh.

[Skittles]

16. these are the same guys who claim they "don't know how to talk to women"

that's because they are clueless, creepy f***s

[ismnotwasm]

17. LOL

Damn right

[Dash87]

20. It's usually blamed on women as a whole.

It's usually a shade of, "I'm absolutely perfect in every way, but women only like jerks. I'm just too nice and perfect to be liked by women!"