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Related: About this forumResponding to critiques of burlesque cheat sheet (crazy-making edition)
Its no secret that Im not a huge fan of burlesque. I think its a boring, overplayed example of what you might call neosexism or retro sexism meaning that the vintage veneer and claims of subversion, irony, or postfeminism are meant to disguise the fact that its just the same old sexism thats been going on for centuries. When it comes to burlesque, and, for that matter, anything that looks like sexism (see: pole-dancing classes, American Apparel ads, and feminist pornography) but is billed as not-sexist-because-women-like-it, the most useful tests to apply are these:
1) Are dudes doing it?
2) Are dudes trying to explain to you that its actually feminist?
If dudes arent doing it but are simultaneously trying to convince you that its liberating, empowering, or progressive, then there is a 99% chance of fuckery.
Having published the odd critique here and there, and, more generally, mushed burlesque in to the sexism-in-disguise category with the assumption that a phenomenon centered around women getting naked on stage doesnt need all that detailed an explanation of the ways in which these performances still objectify women, even if these women are enthusiastically participating in their own objectification and the objectification of others; what Ive learned is that it doesnt actually matter what your critique is and how well you articulate it, because the burlesque community will respond to you in the same way every single time.
As such, Ive compiled a helpful list of every single response you will definitely get, over and over again, every time you say anything marginally critical of burlesque. Im not sure what the purpose of this list is except to encourage you to ignore these types of responses because there is not a single thing you can say or do to avoid them, as well as to point out the absolute unwillingness of burlesque defenders to engage in any self-reflection or critique of their fav hobby.
While the arguments can be generally summed up as: But I like it, Ive provided you with more detailed responses as well. Enjoy!
1) Are dudes doing it?
2) Are dudes trying to explain to you that its actually feminist?
If dudes arent doing it but are simultaneously trying to convince you that its liberating, empowering, or progressive, then there is a 99% chance of fuckery.
Having published the odd critique here and there, and, more generally, mushed burlesque in to the sexism-in-disguise category with the assumption that a phenomenon centered around women getting naked on stage doesnt need all that detailed an explanation of the ways in which these performances still objectify women, even if these women are enthusiastically participating in their own objectification and the objectification of others; what Ive learned is that it doesnt actually matter what your critique is and how well you articulate it, because the burlesque community will respond to you in the same way every single time.
As such, Ive compiled a helpful list of every single response you will definitely get, over and over again, every time you say anything marginally critical of burlesque. Im not sure what the purpose of this list is except to encourage you to ignore these types of responses because there is not a single thing you can say or do to avoid them, as well as to point out the absolute unwillingness of burlesque defenders to engage in any self-reflection or critique of their fav hobby.
While the arguments can be generally summed up as: But I like it, Ive provided you with more detailed responses as well. Enjoy!
http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/feminist-current/2013/09/responding-to-critiques-burlesque-cheat-sheet-crazy-making-e
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Responding to critiques of burlesque cheat sheet (crazy-making edition) (Original Post)
ismnotwasm
Sep 2013
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redqueen
(115,103 posts)1. This...
11) You're a prude and you hate boobs
I also hate sex, men, vaginas, penises and joy. Can we move on?
But seriously. I have little to no interest in engaging with this silliness because it's an anti-feminist, cheap, meaningless trope. Accusing feminists of being man/sex-haters because they speak against the exploitation of women is what sexist, anti-feminist men do. If you want to participate in that sort of thing, again, why are we talking? We clearly have different goals in life -- yours being to ensure equality and freedom is never a thing, and mine to work towards women having "human being" status some day.
I also hate sex, men, vaginas, penises and joy. Can we move on?
But seriously. I have little to no interest in engaging with this silliness because it's an anti-feminist, cheap, meaningless trope. Accusing feminists of being man/sex-haters because they speak against the exploitation of women is what sexist, anti-feminist men do. If you want to participate in that sort of thing, again, why are we talking? We clearly have different goals in life -- yours being to ensure equality and freedom is never a thing, and mine to work towards women having "human being" status some day.