The level of disgusting rhetoric in GD is nearly unbearable.

[Gravitycollapse]

For instance, if we were discussing racist pornography, I have a hunch most people would be railing against it as a sign of societal racism. People would be discussing all of the ways to counter such things.

But when it is woman hating, then it becomes not only a privilege but an unstoppable force. To even consider the idea of fighting to end misogyny in pornography is not only a fool's errand but is actually an encroachment upon the right of men to debase the female body and psyche.

I'm fucking disgusted right now. Absolutely disgusted.

[Arcanetrance]

1. Than I shall consider myself a tired happy fool

Arguing the same points over and over again is exhausting

[seabeyond]

4. i perused your thread. i am on my way out of town. i figured you would be

destroyed. you and du did good on that thread.

[Arcanetrance]

5. Lol that thread is exhausting me mentally idk how many times I have to defend myself from things

imagined by others

[seabeyond]

6. i jsut replied to a post that said "certain amount of reading into the posts" NO

you do not "certain amount of reading into the posts" adn create a story. NO

so absolutely

[xulamaude]

9. Safe travels Sea! nt

[yeoman6987]

8. Porn

You guys are surfing too much porn. Take a break. I seriously have not surfed porn in almost never. I have a great sex life which results in not needing porn. If it upsets you so much looking at porn hours upon hours then perhaps a break is needed. Not telling you to stop, but perhaps cut down and it might make you feel better.

[Gravitycollapse]

10. You don't think a healthy sex life includes watching pornography?

[ismnotwasm]

20. Missing the point bro

I'm absolutely delighted to hear about your excellent relationship though

[BainsBane]

2. violence against women is a civil liberty

misogyny is just a matter of choice. We aren't full human beings. If we indicate we find rape porn disturbing we are prudes, right-wingers who are "trying to control women's bodies." The choice argument excludes our right to voice our concern about about a commerce that eroticizes violent crime. The only acceptable choices are those they agree with.

[nomorenomore08]

11. Why do people automatically jump to "disapproval = censorship"?

If anything, it's simply expressing one's own constitutional rights.

[BainsBane]

12. to avoid talking about other issues

[nomorenomore08]

14. Deflection. Bingo. Though I have to wonder if they're really so concerned about watching violent

material themselves. Or if they're simply getting upset over nothing.

[BainsBane]

15. Some of both, depending on who the poster is

Some are porn consumers and others jumping on the poutrage du jour

[nomorenomore08]

16. The thing is, no one has really advocated banning all porn. Only *violent* porn at most.

So the freaking-out, defensive reactions do rather make me wonder.

[BainsBane]

17. some are projecting

One guy lost it with me last night, I mean was really angry. He was clearly projecting a lot of what he felt about himself onto me.

Some, most really, refuse to think about anything other than their own desires and what they see as their own "liberty."

[nomorenomore08]

18. It's the classic "libertarian" self-centeredness. I see it with all sorts of topics.

[duffyduff]

33. The problem though is ALL porn is exploitative of others

It is NOT depicting "consenting adults" because logically speaking nobody would choose to do this if it weren't for the financial or even slavery pressures forcing people to do it.

Same with prostitution.

They are NOT "victimless" endeavors.

"Libertarians" have NO argument here. They want to be able to consume this garbage or use other people for their own selfish pursuits.

[nomorenomore08]

40. I don't know about *all* but I have no problem with saying it's exploitative in general...

[seabeyond]

21. how do you defend against an argument that is sensible? strawman. consistently, repeatedlu. nt

[seabeyond]

3. i like the bigger issue constitution. my bigger issue is woman, human being, world wide.

ya think.... lol

i mean the bigger issue is speech over human beings that populate half this world?

[BainsBane]

7. "The bigger issue" is ME

casting it as narrowly as possible. How ridiculous. That OP doesn't even mention censure or banning. It just discusses the poster's disgust with what he found.

[smirkymonkey]

13. +1000

I'm with you. It's getting exhausting. It's not so much about the sex as it is about the extreme violence. That it seems to turn so many men on is what is so disgusting.

[gollygee]

19. I don't know

The threads where I get frustrated because people go on and on and on without "getting it" are either sexist OR racist. I think there have been a few homophobic threads like that too, but the ones that really have stuck out have been racist or sexist, and I'll use the "big hair" thread as a current example. But a lot of the Zimmerman stuff was really really frustrating. Innocent kid walks down the street and ends up getting killed, and we hear over and over again here on a progressive board how he deserved it.

Racist stuff is really common here too. I don't feel confident that racist pornography wouldn't be defended.

[BainsBane]

22. It has been

See Arcantrance's thread here in HOF.

[TBF]

23. I expect it on various media -

as this country has really moved backwards since the 70s (in every conceivable way including women's rights) but it kind of surprised me on leftist boards. On Marxist boards the focus is on economics and discipline - and I understand that we can get more support for economic theories if we focus on that and shut every other conceivable issue out - but it is hard to do that when you are the one being oppressed on a daily basis.

Hillary Clinton stated "Human rights are women’s rights, and women’s rights are human rights. Let us not forget that among those rights are the right to speak freely — and the right to be heard." I don't always agree with Hillary, she's definitely to the right of me overall, but I really love that quote. When conversation is shut down that is when we have a problem - and we see that on this board quite frequently. Whomever controls the dialogue wins ... that is why I do tend to point it out when I see overt sexism - and I'm not surprised when men rear up to support that sexism. It is all about control.

[BainsBane]

24. I don't see a lot of real leftism here

I see allegations that one camp or another is too centrist or too DLC. Some can be leftist on economic issues but somehow are tone deaf on race and gender. This entire discussion of rape porn has exposed a strong libertarian focus on the rights of the individual, which is indeed central to our constitution. Our constitution, however, is a quintessential liberal document--liberal in its classical sense as the political corollary to capitalism. I am comfortable with a greater level of state involvement in the economy and society than many because of the value I place on social justice.

[TBF]

28. No definitely not -

leftism is on other sites but very little of it here. Even in our socialist progressives group we have a mix of Marxists and Anarchists.

It is more of a fight between centrists and FDR dems on here ... the individualism even pervades there and I believe this is due to the constant propaganda in this country. It is easier for the very wealthy to split us into camps fighting each other if we are focused on the individual and that is why it continues imo.

[NuclearDem]

25. Jesus tap dancing Christ, now Miley Cyrus is a market commodity and meant to be consumed

Nope, not a woman in the public eye expressing her sexuality in a way that hurts fucking nobody, a commodity to be consumed.

What the flying fuck is happening in this place?!

[TBF]

29. On Miley -

Just an aside, does anyone wonder about Miley and abuse issues? I just want to hug her and tell her it will get better.

[seabeyond]

30. was it her is saw picture of with her father that made us very uncomfortable, now that you mention

it?

[TBF]

31. Could have been -

I don't have a problem with her expressing herself (certainly not new - Lady Gaga and Madonna have done the same) but there is something about her that touches me. I don't know - maybe it's just hard to make the transition from Miley Disney to Miley now. It looks like it would be so difficult to grow up in the public spotlight like that.

[seabeyond]

32. i do not know miley disney.

i did not let kids watch, and kids did not want to watch, the older disney. they condition kids to behave in a manner we do not do in our house. that kids rebel, that there is a disrespect, that they behave a certain way as a preteen that i do not think they need to behave. a conditioned behavior.

that said, yes... listening to her, seeing her, i agree. there is a connection where i am hoping for the best with this girl

[bluestateguy]

26. People have the right to disagree

And if people do so respectfully and with respect for the facts and the evidence they are not "disgusting", just because they don't completely agree with you.

[roody]

27. Haven't read any of it, so I can still bear to be here..

[ismnotwasm]

34. GD is suffering from prom rape porn burnout now, poor things

They just want it to go away. Now see, the problem is bringing it when others want you to stop. Apparently that's "sad". I thought they were all about fist amendment rights-- or something

[seabeyond]

35. i take it that is baines thread. i havent been in it. but, there is another in gd. surely they

are saying the same on that thread....????

[ismnotwasm]

36. There's another thread that attempted to discuss the implications for liberals

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Of free speech vs. what is harmful. It's tone is softer because it's not BB's OP-- some posters see her name and it's just like seeing your name or RedQueen's name. You all are marked for attack, I'm assuming because of held on to resentments from prior engagements.

[seabeyond]

37. ya. that was the other thread i was talking. and no, i am sure there is not the same comments made

if anything, agreeing that ya, feminists need to shut the fuck up to give way to free speech. lmao. betcha... lol

[ismnotwasm]

38. Fuck that

And this group was mentioned a few times. I saw a comment I was attempted to alert on, about "Asians being Kinky" through perusal of porn. Didn't.

I want someone who loves and defends porn to alert on the racist fucker. Won't happen.

[seabeyond]

39. nope. because we MUST respect all of it. just fantasy. bigotry fantasy gets a thumbs up. lol.

nothing like feeding the minds....