50 Actual Facts About Rape

[ismnotwasm]

Low estimate of the number of women , according to the Department of Justice, raped every year: 300,000

High estimate of the number of women raped, according to the CDC: 1.3 million

Percentage of rapes not reported: 54 percent

A woman's chance of being raped in the U.S.: 1 in 5

Chances that a raped woman conceives compared to one engaging in consensual sex: at least two times as likely

Number of women in the US impregnated against their will each year in the U.S. as a result of rape: 32,000

Number of states in which rapists can sue for custody and visitation: 31

Chances that a woman's body "shuts that whole thing down": 0 in 3.2 billion

Rank of U.S. in the world for rape: 13th

A woman's chance of being raped in college: 1 in 4 or 5

Chances that a Native American woman in the U.S. will be raped: 1 in 3

Percentage of women in Alaska who have suffered sexual assault: 37 percent


Number of rape kits untested by the Houston police force: 6,000-7,000 (Texas ranked second in nation for "forcible rape&quot

Number of adult men accused of repeatedly gang raping 11-year-old girl in Texas: 14

Quote in the New York Times regarding the rape: "They said she dressed older than her age."

Age of woman raped in Central Park in September, 2012: 73

Number of rape kits left untested in Detroit, listed by Forbes as one of two the most dangerous places for woman to live in the US: 11,303

U.S. state in which, in September 2012, mentally disabled rape victim was required to provide evidence of her "kicking, biting, scratching" in objection to her rape: Connecticut

State seeking to reduce childcare welfare benefits to women cannot provide proof of their
pregnancy-causing rapes: Pennsylvania

Percentage of sexual assault and rape victims under the age of 12: 15 percent

Percentage of men who have been raped: 3 percent

Percentage of rapists who are never incarcerated: 97 percent

Percentage of rapes that college students think are false claims: 50 percent

Percentage of rapes that studies find are false claims: 2-8 percent

Number of rapes reported in the military last year: 16,500

Pentagon's estimated percentage of military assuaults not reported: 80-90 percent

Percentage of military rape victims who were gang raped/raped more than once: 14%/20%

Percentage of military rape victims that are men: 8-37 percent

Percentage of military victims who get an "involuntarily" discharge compared to percentage of charged and accused who are discharged with honor: 90 percent involuntary to 80 percent with honor

Chances an incarcerated person is raped in the U.S.: 1 in 10

Increase in chance that LGTB prisoner is raped: 15x greater chance

Number of men raped that could be counted as legally raped before the FBI changed its definition in December of 2011: 0

Number of rapes noted in commonly used World War II statistics: 0

Number of rapes of WWII concentration camp inmates: Untallied millions


Number of rapes of German women by Russian soldiers at the end of WWII: between 1m and 2m

Number of women raped in 1990s Bosnian conflict: 60,000+

Number of women raped per hour in Congo during war: 48

Country where 12 year old was forced to participate in the rape of his mother: U.S.

Country where women are imprisoned for being raped: Afghanistan

Age of Moroccan rape victim who committed suicide after being forced to marry her rapist: 16

Worldwide number of "child brides" under the age of 18 forced to marry every day: 25,000

Ages of girls forced to marry a 59-year-old at the Tony Alamo Christian Ministry in Arkansas: 8, 14, 15

Estimated number of people, primarily children, sexually abused by priests in the U.S. versus the number of senior Catholic officials found guilty of sexual abuse related crimes in the U.S.: 10,667 to 1

Chances that a woman in the U.S. is raped versus gets breast cancer: 2 to 1

Chances that a victim is "Emergency Raped" by a stranger versus percentage of victims who consider their rapes emergencies: 7 percent versus 100 percent

Percentage of victims of rape who report the use of a weapon: 11 percent

Prison sentences for four men found guilty of participating in gang rapes of two teenage girls in France over two years: one year, six months, suspended sentence

State where in 2012 a doctor is facing the loss of her medical license for providing an abortion to a pregnant10-year old incest rape victim: Kansas

Country where doctors (but not the rapist) were excommunicated for performing a life-saving abortion to nine-year-old incest rape victim: Brazil

Country where major party's vice-presidential candidate wants to criminalize all abortions including rape-related ones, because rape is just "another method of conception": U.S.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/soraya-chemaly/50-facts-rape_b_2019338.html

Oh, and what brought this on? Not the recent "rape" threads on Democraticunderground, but this situation in Sudan.

Sudan: 'Sexual Violence a Crisis in Sudan' - Victims of Rape Speak Out

Ottawa — Women who report being raped in Sudan are threatened and often accused of adultery. Victims of sexual violence are denied access to medical treatment, while they face many legal disadvantages.

"The women of Sudan are facing a crisis of sexual violence with no end in sight," according to the report 'Survivors Speak Out: Sexual Violence in Sudan', released on 6 December. It has documented the pervasiveness of sexual violence against women in Sudanese regions. The research team consists of Nobel Peace laureates, in the International Campaign to Stop Rape & Gender Violence in Conflict.

In an equivalent report from 2011, the Nobel Women's Initiative stated that in Darfur, rape is used by armies and Janjaweed to terrorise and displace mostly non-Arab tribes. Also other parties have committed sexual violence during the war that arose in Darfur in 2003.

'Raped while doing daily jobs'

Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) has treated almost 500 raped women and girls during a five-month period in 2012. In August 2006, Human Rights Watch reported 200 sexual assaults in South Darfur's Kalma camp in five weeks. MSF also found that 82 per cent of the interviewed Darfuri rape survivors is assaulted while "undertaking daily activities", and less is abused when fleeing from an attack on their community.

http://allafrica.com/stories/201312080104.html?viewall=1

[BlueJazz]

1. "Number of states in which rapists can sue for custody and visitation: 31"

My anger is way too great to post words regarding my feelings. DU would crash.

[NYC_SKP]

2. I had to stop reading this about 12 lines or so into it.

I need to go out for a walk and digest.

It's too much sadness to take in one sitting.

I'll come back for another few lines of the sad facts after I walk this off.

Damn it.

K/R

[seabeyond]

3. maybe duers can have a LITTLE bit of empathy why women on du may be angry....

reading about rape porn, simulated or not, made to look real, for men to get off on.

we separate the issues. so we can hold strong to our wants. but... these are not separated issues.

and imagine. women on du that have been raped. listening to the men giggle and then call us anti sex, or prudes, cause they luvs their rape porn, that looks like real rape. you know, what so many of us experienced.

this board has become disgusting for so many.

thru out du, this is a game for the guys, and the gals that support them.

off again... i need to just stay off.

[seabeyond]

4. oh... or the many men that use decrease in rape as an excuse for us women not being angry... we

should celebrate. or telling us 99.999999% of men do not rape. ya. right. or bring up the ONE false accusation to 40 yrs of covered up rapes.

[ismnotwasm]

9. Anybody who thinks like that is clearly damaged, and deluded or very angry themselves

Or perhaps indoctrinated. Or just wants to stir shit.

I was posting about Sudan-- which will be ignored not only by DU but most of America, when I decided to post something a little different. Rape as war crime, or "just" rape happens in every war, not just countries suck as Sudan, or Congo or Bosnia.

Look at this article front the US Civil war;

Union military courts prosecuted at least 450 cases involving sexual crimes. In North Carolina during the spring of 1865, Pvt. James Preble “did by physical force and violence commit rape upon the person of one Miss Letitia Craft.” When Perry Holland of the 1st Missouri Infantry confessed to the rape of Julia Anderson, a white woman in Tennessee, he was sentenced to be shot, but his sentence was later commuted. Catherine Farmer, also of Tennessee, testified that Lt. Harvey John of the 49th Ohio Infantry dragged her into the bushes and told her he would kill her if she did not “give it to him.” He tore her dress, broke her hoops and “put his private parts into her,” for which he was sentenced to 10 years in prison. In Georgia, Albert Lane, part of Company B, in the 100th Regiment of Ohio Volunteers, was also sentenced to 10 years because he “did on or about the 11th day of July, 1864 … upon one Miss Louisa Dickerson … then and there forcibly and against her will, feloniously did ravish and carnally know her.”

Black women were in even more danger. Rape was one of the many horrors of slavery, though whites rarely recognized it as such. Interestingly, it was only in the context of war that Southern whites for the first time were forced to acknowledge the rape of black women. In the spring of 1863, John N. Williams of the 7th Tennessee Regiment wrote in his diary, “Heard from home. The Yankees has been through there. Seem to be their object to commit rape on every Negro woman they can find.” Many times, troops and ruffians raped black women while forcing white women to watch, a horrifying experience for all, and a proxy rape of white women. B. E. Harrison of Leesburg, Va., wrote a letter to President Abraham Lincoln complaining that federal troops had raped his “servant girl” in the presence of his wife. Gen. William Dwight reported, “Negro women were ravished in the presence of white women and children.” Just as the rape of white women implied that Southern men were unable to protect their mothers, wives and daughters, the rape of slave women told whites they could no longer protect their property.

A close examination of cases involving the rape of black women reveals that, while black women may have been particularly vulnerable to wartime rape, the Lieber Code brought them for the first time under the umbrella of legal protection. In fact, some black women were able to mobilize miltary law to their advantage.

In the summer of 1864, Jenny Green, a young “colored” girl who had escaped slavery and sought refuge with the Union Army in Richmond, Va., was brutally raped by Lt. Andrew J. Smith, 11th Pennsylvania Cavalry. Thanks to the Lieber Code, though, she was able to bring charges against him, and even testify in a military court. “He threw me on the floor, pulled up my dress,” she told the all-male tribunal. “He held my hands with one hand, held part of himself with the other hand and went into me. It hurt. He did what married people do. I am but a child.” The idea that a former slave, and an adolescent girl at that, could demand and receive legal redress was revolutionary. Despite his attorney’s argument that Green had consented, Smith was discharged from the Army and sentenced to 10 years of hard labor.

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/25/rape-and-justice-in-the-civil-war/?_r=0

Can you imagine the "under-reporting" that happened there?

[BainsBane]

43. When I countered that 99.999% fiction

it wasn't received well. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4147738

[NYC_SKP]

6. seabeyond....

Your voice is needed here. Don't ever leave, please.

The few unbelievable voices who manage to remain here, and I don't know if they're even genuine Democrats or progressive, but here they are, don't define this community.

I hope you will trust the system and know that efforts to enlighten are not lost on the community due to the acts and words of a few bigots.

Have faith, don't leave the battle.

And I hope you can distinguish the differences that each of us may have in the precise meanings of words.

"Prude" and "prudish", for example, have precise meanings and applications, not all of them meant to shut down or detract from the very real harm that's done by bigots across the spectrum.

Take care.

[seabeyond]

7. enjoy your walk...

and i am going to take your words with me as i enjoy my son, doing the christmas thing. thank you

[BainsBane]

47. When certain members continually dismiss feminists as "prudish" or "sex negative"

It is clearly meant to trivialize and deligitimate concerns. That was part of the reason for the thread I posted expressing appreciation of men who prefer sex with real women to porn. That brought on its own shitstorm.

Not liking rape or rape porn has nothing to do with not liking sex. Rape isn't sex. Porn isn't sex, and rape porn most certainly isn't sex. That they think it is suggests something seriously wrong, IMO. I thank God everyday that this is only the internet,and I will never have to encounter them off-line, particularly the one who spouted the GOP views of forcible vs. non-forcible rape and insisted that the victims (female victims anyway) are as responsible as rapists (though he said men) for their own assault.

I'd also like to point out that many of the so-called sex negative feminist writers are lesbians. These men assume that without a man, no sex occurs. Gay and bi women would disagree. Amazingly, they make these same claims about sex negativity along with accusations of heteronormativity with absolutely no awareness that women too are homosexual.

[seabeyond]

48. bluntly they use those terms to denigrade womens sexuality. no different from slut shaming. and

they have been doing it for years. it is not hidden, it is not subtle. they make it clear the insult. they are insulting us our sexuality. that simple.

[NYC_SKP]

50. I mentioned that word only because I used it in a recent reply.

The word being "prudish" and used in the narrow context of that discussion.

There's no doubt that others use the same word to dismiss or minimize the very real and just reactions evoked by what passes as "adult material".

[YoungDemCA]

61. +1. I would add to this that those certain members pretty much act with impunity...

...considering that, for example, anti-choice views are permitted on DU.

They know who they are, and their actions and views sicken me.

[BainsBane]

66. There is definitely overlap

between those who justify rape porn, trivialize rape, and oppose other rights for women, such as equal protection in the workplace, equal pay for equal work, equity in medical insurance, and abortion rights, and even the right of women to speak publicly about rape and domestic violence against us. Like modern-day racists, much of the way they oppose those rights is by pretending sexism isn't a problem and that men are the ones truly oppressed.

[gollygee]

73. There's also a certain level of overlap

although not 100% at all, between those posters and those who don't believe white privilege exists, those who were supporters of George Zimmerman, those who are anti-Union, etc.

I know some of the posters who post sexist stuff are just plain old liberals who have a blind spot, but I wonder if some are trolls. (Or maybe I hope some are! It is demoralizing to read conservative stuff someplace you hope is really progressive.)

[BainsBane]

82. That is what has been most discouraging

I didn't think it was possible for liberals to be so reactionary on gender and race. I guess I'm just naive as a result of spending so much of my life in universities.

[redqueen]

79. Gee I wonder why their misogynist, anti-feminist bullshit gets a pass.

It's such a mystery...

[TNNurse]

25. I could not finish

Either, it was just too awful.

[xulamaude]

54. Sorry, but "too much sadness"?

Yeah, it's really sad.

These are the (under-reported, under-believed, under-taken-seriously) realities that rape victims - who are overwhelmingly women and children - have to live with every damn day of their lives.

These (non) stats are well known, yet, strangely it's the victims who do not characterize them as 'sad'.

[seabeyond]

5. they are being generous saying 2-8%. it is 2-3%. they included "unfounded" in that %. see exactly

what is ruled "unfoudned".

British Home Office study (2005)
A 2005 study, "A gap or a chasm? Attrition in reported rape cases" was the largest and most rigorous study to date commissioned by the British Home Office on UK rape crime, from the initial reporting of a rape through to legal prosecutions. The study was based on 2,643 sexual assault cases (Kelly, Lovett, and Regan, 2005). Of these, police departments classified 8% as false reports.[11]
The researchers noted that some of these classifications were based simply on the personal judgments of the police investigators and were made in violation of official criteria for establishing a false allegation. Closer analysis of this category applying the Home Office counting rules for establishing a false allegation and excluding cases where the application of the cases where confirmation of the designation was uncertain reduced the percentage of false reports to 3%. The researchers concluded that "one cannot take all police designations at face value" and that "[t]here is an over-estimation of the scale of false allegations by both police officers and prosecutors." Moreover, they added:

The interviews with police officers and complainants’ responses show that despite the focus on victim care, a culture of suspicion remains within the police, even amongst some of those who are specialists in rape investigations. There is also a tendency to conflate false allegations with retractions and withdrawals, as if in all such cases no sexual assault occurred. This reproduces an investigative culture in which elements that might permit a designation of a false complaint are emphasised (later sections reveal how this also feeds into withdrawals and designation of ‘insufficient evidence’), at the expense of a careful investigation, in which the evidence collected is evaluated.[11][12][13]

FBI statistics
FBI reports from 1996 consistently put the number of "unfounded" rape accusations around 8%. In contrast, the average rate of unfounded reports for "Index crimes" tracked by the FBI is 2%.[14]
However, "unfounded" is not synonymous with false allegation. Bruce Gross of the Forensic Examiner says that:

This statistic is almost meaningless, as many of the jurisdictions from which the FBI collects data on crime use different definitions of, or criteria for, "unfounded." That is, a report of rape might be classified as unfounded (rather than as forcible rape) if the alleged victim did not try to fight off the suspect, if the alleged perpetrator did not use physical force or a weapon of some sort, if the alleged victim did not sustain any physical injuries, or if the alleged victim and the accused had a prior sexual relationship. Similarly, a report might be deemed unfounded if there is no physical evidence or too many inconsistencies between the accuser's statement and what evidence does exist. As such, although some unfounded cases of rape may be false or fabricated, not all unfounded cases are false.

[NYC_SKP]

8. I felt the same way about the number unreported, for example.

I think it has to be higher.

Now for my walk....

[ismnotwasm]

10. The Huffpost Author

Was using the high /low ball numbers from the CDC- which, when you think of the numbers that come out anyway-- is too horrible to contemplate

[YoungDemCA]

62. "2-8%" what an odd figure....

That's like me saying I am "between two and eight feet tall."

[ismnotwasm]

11. Let's look at Vietnam

The act of raping women is largely understood to be an inevitable consequence of war. As General George S. Patton predicted during World War II, "there would unquestionably be some raping."1 Rape and the mutilation of women's bodies are evidently part of the usual military fare in war. During the Vietnam war, rape was in fact an all too common occurrence, often described by GIs as SOP--standard operating procedure.2 "That's an everyday affair... you can nail just about everybody on that--at least once," offered a squad leader in the 34d Platoon of Charlie Company when questioned by a reporter about the rape that occurred at My Lai.3 Another GI, Joe Galbally, when testifying for the Winter Soldier Investigation, concluded his report about a specific incident of gang rape by American soldiers by saying, "This wasn't just one incident; this was the first one I can remember. I know of 10 or 15 such incidents at least." Galbally was in Vietnam for one year, from 1967-1968.4

In fact, very few American GIs were "nailed" for rape in Vietnam. Despite the fact that it is a crime according to international law, prohibited under the Geneva Convention and punishable by death or imprisonment under Article 120 of the American Uniform Code of Military Justice, acts of rape were rarely reported and seldom convicted during the Vietnam war.5 The number of rape cases tried did not nearly reflect the rampancy of rape in Vietnam. The conviction rates were low and the sentences extremely light. In Against Our Will, Susan Brownmiller provides Army court-martial statistics for rape and related charges: only fifty-eight percent of those tried between 1965 and 1973 were convicted.6 Information on sentencing was difficult to come by, according to Brownmiller. She writes, "a sentence of two to eight years at hard labor might be typical for rape, even in cases in which the victim had been murdered; sodomy, attempted rape and attempted sodomy were preferred as charges because they carried lesser penalties; and sentences were routinely cut in half by a board of review."7

Justifications are many and varied for the reluctance of the U.S. military to treat rape as a criminal offense, and for its subsequent persistence as a business-as-usual practice in Vietnam. But for the most part such rationalizations rest on the general perception of rape as an inevitable extension of wartime activity; it is accepted, even encouraged, as the way of war about which little can be done. What underlies this thin expression and overly simplistic explanation and how can we move toward a fuller, more critical understanding of why the practice of rape was allowed to become "an everyday affair" during the Vietnam war?

Although the question of motivation may seem significant to gaining a further understanding of why the rape of Vietnamese women became "standard operating procedure," it may not be possible to reach any decisive conclusions about such motivating factors. To the extent that we must rely on representations of rape provided primarily by American soldiers, we must instead direct our questions to the ways in which rape has been represented during and since the war. How are images of rape in the Vietnam war presented in contemporary U.S. dominant culture? Moreover, why were these acts allowed to remain virtually unreported and unprosecuted? Ultimately, there may be a link between the ways in which rape in Vietnam was and continues to be represented and the fact that despite its rampancy, it has received little critical attention by either the media or the military.

http://www2.iath.virginia.edu/sixties/HTML_docs/Texts/Scholarly/Stuldreher_Rape.html

And I am clearly differentiating between rape and prostitution-- a whole 'nother topic when it comes to war; or perhaps not, perhaps the two are far closer related than we give it credit for. There are certainly reasons to suggest this.

[seabeyond]

13. "reluctance of the U.S. military to treat rape as a criminal offense," we heard it in the last round

yesterday, in the 40 yr accumulation of dismissed rapes. from some men.

nothing has changed. military or outside. war or peace.

there goes that absurd number that 99.99999% of men do NOT rape.

[ismnotwasm]

17. I think what happens

Is people take rape as individual acts rather than than a culture. This is a huge problem combating rape. It's annoying when people deny rape culture, but not, unfortunately unexpected. Men, of course hate to be associated with rapists. In prison, newly convicted rapists have to be separated from GP-- even if some of those in GP have committed rape themselves.

[historylovr]

45. +1. I always get the impression

that too many men think of a rapist as someone in a dark alley, wearing a ski mask and brandishing a weapon. Maybe that's why they have a hard time wrapping their minds around the harsh realities. So of course they disrupt rape discussions, because, as you say, they don't want to be associated with rapists. Unfortunately we know the consequences of their lack of understanding and setting themselves apart, putting the onus on victims rather than on the perpetrators.

[In_The_Wind]

12. Kicked and Recommended!!!

[seabeyond]

14. i am getting dizzy seeing you here cheering and in the mens group dissing. nt

[ismnotwasm]

15. Don't worry about it

It's all Zen.

I'm simultaneously posting gross out stuff on FB pretty fun. I love my iPad

[seabeyond]

16. lol. you are always posting gross out stuff, lol

on fb. but cool gross out stuff

informative gross out stuff

though i do not want to see the second graph of "know your health thru you...."

[ismnotwasm]

19. LOL

It's so tempting, but I have to stop too many stories

[In_The_Wind]

18. I'm for women's rights in all respects. I understand being more than just angry.

But I will not attack any one group as a whole.

There are many men who I believe to be horrible people but there are also some awesome men in this world.

Does that help to clear up any doubt about how I feel ?

[seabeyond]

20. " I will not attack any one group as a whole." raising eyebrow, lol.

ok.

but, i am very glad about.... "I'm for women's rights in all respects"

[In_The_Wind]

22. ...

When I was young, I worked my way into positions in the white collar workforce normally done by men. I know what it's like fight for the right to be equal. I was part of the group who felt that we had to be better to be equal. Even today ... I've never stopped asserting that I must be shown respect ... or I'll go another way.
To thine own self be true.

[BainsBane]

26. That's something I think we can all agree on

Though our ideas of what that means may differ.

[In_The_Wind]

29. Back to where this conversation began: Rape of any woman, child or man is wrong.

[BainsBane]

21. That is true.

Unfortunately the horrible ones seem to bond over anti-feminism (or feminism that has the audacity to challenge their entitlement).

[In_The_Wind]

23. And ... those men are not part of my life.

[ismnotwasm]

24. And thus we work it out

I believe in the right to disagree anyway. The nature of discussion boards brings out the best and worst in many people.

[In_The_Wind]

27. It does. I seek the best in everyone.

Sadly ... there are times when I fail.



And ... so it goes.

[seabeyond]

28. it would help though, if in disagreement, animosity was not fed....

i see no productivity nor enlightenment in that.

we all disagree here and there. and we are all able to be respectful as a whole

[ismnotwasm]

31. And that is true as well

I remain convinced of the presence of shit stirring trolls that descend on gender topics such as rape. The animosity is a tactic I think. Why I limit my participation here. I'm also convinced of the presence of genuine fuckedup creeps that also descend on those topics.

And not to talk ill of the tombstoned, but the only poster who I would have put on ignore if I used that particular function was Tavener. I don't believe for one minute he was a troll however. This is from reading posts over the years and deciding it here was no point in doing so.

[BainsBane]

35. They descend on threads like the one on 40 yrs of rape to champion one accused man

Yet when there is a thread about that man, and the fact video evidence was destroyed, they are no where to be found. It almost makes it look like he wasn't their concern at all but instead a prop to derail discussions of a half century of rape victims being intimidated, shamed, and ignored.

[ismnotwasm]

37. Exactly

Strange to say the least

[xulamaude]

51. Because it is never

the men in 'your' life. Or 'her' life or 'their' life.

It's always some other women's men.

Which always leads me to wonder: which men exactly?

[In_The_Wind]

53. I don't work for them or socialize with them.

[xulamaude]

55. How do you know that for certain?

Especially in light of the fact that rapists are not overly fond of 'outing' themselves (especially to women) and that the OP highlights the fact that rapes are under/not reported.

[In_The_Wind]

56. You are making a very good point there. The fact that I was trained as an

investigator for child protective services doesn't give me a crystal ball.
The silent stalker is always a problem.
The fact that I was sexually abused as a child has given me a better insight to the behavior of a sexual predator ... be it male or female.

[xulamaude]

57. So you 'know it when you see it'?

Many, many people have fallen prey to the sexual predator and then fallen prey again even though they thought they knew what to look for.

"Silent stalker"?! Really?

Edit: for quotation marks in title

[YoungDemCA]

64. Attitudes need not be explicit or out in the open....

Same with racism, for example.

Also, plenty of people (perhaps a majority or at least a plurality) express or think in sexist, racist, etc. terms without even realizing it.

[In_The_Wind]

65. No ... however, body language will tell quite a bit about an individual.

Same with racism, for example.

Also, plenty of people (perhaps a majority or at least a plurality) express or think in sexist, racist, etc. terms without even realizing it.

I agree with your statement above.

[MyshkinCommaPrince]

30. Question...

I hope it is not in poor taste for me to ask a question about how some of the information is stated in the list. I find this bit confusing, which may merely mean that my math skills are worse than I thought.

Chances an incarcerated person is raped in the U.S.: 1 in 10

Increase in chance that LGTB prisoner is raped: 15x greater chance

Was the "15x greater" calculated using the same base value as the 10%? Following links, the 15x value represents a 67% chance, so it's being based on 67/15 = 4.4666667, round up to 5. The article relating to the 10% statistic says "nearly one in 10 prisoners report having been raped", so there is some rounding in the 10%, but jumping from 5 to "nearly 10" is... a big jump. The 10% times 15 would be an overall 150% chance.

Either my math is wonky or the list presents these two items in a potentially misleading manner. Can anyone check my math/reasoning, on this? I definitely don't want to derail anything or diminish the importance of the posted data. If we're trying to inform, it's probably good to seek accuracy, particularly with something as important as this. Obvious inaccuracy is easily attacked by those who might seek to discredit the topic.

Aside from that question, thank you for the information. This helps contextualize the debates we saw here, a week or two ago.

[ismnotwasm]

33. Oh you just had to go there

Let me see if I can find a reference for you

Well hell, I think I found the original source, but not the original stats


http://www.justdetention.org/en/factsheets/JD_Fact_Sheet_LGBTQ_vD.pdf

http://www.ncdsv.org/images/in_the_shadows.pdf

Another excellent resource, but I didn't get down to the references. I'll have to check the DOJ.

[MyshkinCommaPrince]

38. Yes, sorry about that.

I need a "deeply embarrassed" smiley, here, but I don't see it offered.

I hesitated before asking, because I don't want to cause any kind of stir by doing so. It seemed better to ask the question than not. The listed data is important, and seemed like something worth seeking clarification over.

The original pdf presents the same information as the article linked by the original list. It looks like the base statistic in this report would be the 5%. If my math isn't bonkers, the chances would be 6.7x greater, relative to the 10% statistic. It's all contextualized properly if one reads the linked articles, but as presented the 15x seems to build upon 10%.

rehabilitation and conducted at
six California men’s prisons, 67 percent
of inmates who identified as LGBTQ
reported having been sexually assaulted by
another inmate during their incarceration,
a rate that was 15 times higher than for
the inmate population overall

I found that smiley. Knew it was there somewhere.

[ismnotwasm]

40. ...

[BainsBane]

36. 1 in 10 seems low to me

That must be reported rapes.

[ismnotwasm]

39. All rape stats are lowballed

The use the numbers they have, and then have a "unreported"category which changes the whole picture. Not to mention what constitutes legal rape.

[MyshkinCommaPrince]

41. I wouldn't be surprised.

It wouldn't surprise me to learn that the 10% was low, but if it were higher, that would only make the "15x" more inaccurate, if the two are taken together. I'm kind of hoping my math and/or logic are way off, on this.

[BainsBane]

42. They are almost certainly from different sources

This site doesn't deal with prison rape, but it does reference its sources. http://www.oneinfourusa.org/statistics.php

[ismnotwasm]

44. The fact that you can even do the math is great

Statistics have to use available numbers, when you get into areas such as "unreported" it makes accuracy harder.

Then there's the anecdotal, as far as prison rape I found a page with dozens of heartbreaking stories; I don't doubt them, but they can be added to statistics only if reported

[BainsBane]

71. There are also surveys some agencies do

rather than relying on reported rapes alone. Consider the recent survey of the military that showed a very small percentage of rapes there are reported. Of course we know why, given how victims are treated.

DOJ numbers are reported rapes only, which makes sense given their purview.

[seabeyond]

72. they are reported rapes, minus the rapes downgraded, and the rapes concluded unfounded and the rapes

that did not meet certain criteria and the rapes that are a secondary crime. across the nation it has been shown to us that too many police forces actively work on keeping rape numbers down and the number... voluntary number given to the FBI is manipulated to keep the number of rapes down.

i have supplied link after link after link over the years and i am just done. i do not know what the number is. but, i know the number we are given is bullshit

[snot]

32. K&R'd & bookmarked.

[historylovr]

34. K & R

[rocktivity]

46. In all fairness, Akin did acknowledge his error

rocktivity

[ismnotwasm]

49. Ew ew ew I suppose

But " forcible rape" remains a 'thing'

Forcible Rape

Forcible rape, as defined in the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program, is the carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will. Attempts or assaults to commit rape by force or threat of force are also included; however, statutory rape (without force) and other sex offenses are excluded.

Data collection
The UCR Program counts one offense for each female victim of a forcible rape, attempted forcible rape, or assault with intent to rape, regardless of the victim’s age. A rape by force involving a female victim and a familial offender is counted as a forcible rape and not an act of incest. All other crimes of a sexual nature are considered to be Part II offenses; as such, the UCR Program collects only arrest data for those crimes. The offense of statutory rape, in which no force is used but the female victim is under the age of consent, is included in the arrest total for the sex offenses category. Sexual attacks on males are counted as aggravated assaults or sex offenses, depending on the circumstances and the extent of any injuries.
For this overview only, the FBI deviated from standard procedure and manually calculated the 2010 and 2011 rates of females raped based on the national female population provided by the U.S. Census Bureau.
There were an estimated 83,425 forcible rapes reported to law enforcement in 2011. This estimate was 2.5 percent lower than the 2010 estimate and 9.5 percent and 12.4 percent lower than the 2007 and 2002 estimates, respectively. (See Tables 1 and 1A.)
The rate of forcible rapes in 2011 was estimated at 52.7 per 100,000 female inhabitants.
Rapes by force comprised 93.0 percent of reported rape offenses in 2011, and attempts or assaults to commit rape accounted for 7.0 percent of reported rapes. (Based on Table 19.)

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/violent-crime/forcible-rape

[BainsBane]

52. Am I the only one who finds it strange

that people are congratulating someone for not raping a woman?
I went to the grocery store yesterday, and I didn't rob it or kill anyone. Where's my Nobel Peace Prize?

[MadrasT]

58. No, that was pure Twilight Zone.

The fact that anybody would post that if it were a remarkable occurence or particularly noteworthy is... well, sad.

[gollygee]

60. Yeah the underlying thought seems to be

something along the lines of "I didn't rape her, and that makes me a good guy, since I know a lot of guys would have."

Which is evidence of rape culture. A lot of guys would have raped a passed out girl they'd been making out with. And a lot of guys do!

Then we're told they weren't raped, and the fact that they didn't fight back hard enough, or weren't injured enough, or went with the guy to his room or car willingly, or had previous sexual experience, or whatever, is evidence that it wasn't rape.

[xulamaude]

59. A wise woman once said

that men are deemed 'good' based upon the things they do not do.

[YoungDemCA]

63. Fucking sad, isn't it?

Show how pervasive (and socially accepted) rape really is in our culture....

[BainsBane]

67. Fact 51, if the man who rapes you is important, like Julian Assange, it can't be rape

I learned that on DU. The women of Steubenville had that same lesson taught to them for generations.

[seabeyond]

68. true that. or Polanski. not rape, rape. nt

[xulamaude]

69. Just as the girls and women of Anytown USA,

and Anytown Everywhere, have been taught for generations.

How can this be when some other guy is always the rapist?

[BainsBane]

70. Funny how some of the same ones were so keep on rape porn

Go figure.

[historylovr]

74. Kicking Again

[seabeyond]

75. meh. one more kick would not hurt.

[historylovr]

76. :) Cute GIF

But yeah, the statistics, no matter how depressing, need to be shared and seen.

[Laelth]

77. Just a question.

What is the purpose of this statistic/fact:

Number of men raped that could be counted as legally raped before the FBI changed its definition in December of 2011: 0

My understanding is that men in the United States are more likely to be raped than women. This, of course, is a product of our prison/industrial complex in which men are raped repeatedly without any recourse to justice.



-Laelth

[seabeyond]

78. more likely to be raped in certain settings, not a whole. and the purpose is just how much of the

rape is not (or was not) a part of fbi numbers. alcholo and other facts kept out rape numbers. using an object kept it out of rape numbers. doing anything but intercourse kept it out of rape numbers.

that would be the point of pointing out the nontruth of the rape numbers with the fbi. was just a year ago, or under that the FBI started counting "other" rapes. oh, child rape not in the rape numbers.

[Laelth]

80. Interesting. Statistics are easy to manipulate.

But my question was about the rhetorical effect of arguing that zero men have been raped according to the statistics, prior to a certain date (and that's what the OP suggested). Rape is a problem that affects us all. Of what value is it to argue that men are not raped (as the OP seems to suggest)? Or, perhaps, I'm just not getting it.



-Laelth

[seabeyond]

81. it is not arguing men are not raped. it is arguing that statisctically, our criminal dept did not

allow men to own the title of being raped. that is the point. the point is, .... they were denying that a man can be raped. this article is pointing out that injustice.