Victim Shaming on behalf of Julian Assange

[BainsBane]

As we well know, there are many DUers who are intent on shielding Assange from prosecution for sexual assault. They willfully distort the legal record to deceive readers, and possibly themselves, that Assange is not actually facing prosecution in Sweden, when the facts show otherwise. See, for example, this legal ruling from the UK Supreme Court, in response to Assange's appeal to overturn his order of extradition. It lays out the investigation into the allegations of sexual assault and Assange's legal standing in Sweden: http://www.bailii.org/uk/cases/UKSC/2012/22.html

The two women who went to police to report their sexual assaults have been widely shamed, just as has happened to the many young high school girls gang raped in recent years. Social media is a powerful weapon for rape apologists and victim shamers. Cha posted this piece in a thread in GD, and I thought it useful to repost here. I'm not sure if we've had this in HOF before, but even so I think it relevant now because of recent discussions in GD.

To be clear, I am not accusing any DUers of being part of this behavior.

The woman, who cannot be named for legal reasons, said that she became a target for both her former allies and opponents who, along with her alleged abuser’s acolytes, turned against her and presumed she was lying about the allegations she made.

“Three years ago I was the victim of an assault. Former allies, political opponents, the Sweden Democrats, anti-feminists, Jew-haters, the man’s friends and mother quickly decided that there was something fishy. That I lied,” she wrote on her blog.

The woman added: “The perpetrator was innocent. One remarkable story after another lined up in a giant court of public opinion with anonymous judges and witnesses who guessed wildly.” . . .

She wrote that, after the alleged assault, everything “that I, or someone who could be assumed to be close to me, had said that could be turned to my disadvantage was raised as evidence of my guilt, my crime and my being incapable of telling the truth. Everything I had said that was to my advantage in that context was deemed invalidated, or was met with silence”. . . .

Numerous articles have appeared online speculating both about the veracity of the women’s claims, and the some have claimed agenda lies behind them. And some of the Assange supporters who have turned up to the west London embassy building for his public appearances have been known to bring placards denigrating the Wikileaks founder’s accusers.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/i-was-targeted-after-i-made-assange-sex-crime-claim-says-accuser-of-wikileaks-founder-8613006.html

[ismnotwasm]

1. Fuck Julian Assange

That whole that rape situation was disgustingly handled, but more, he's not anywhere near the folk hero people make him out to be.

[intaglio]

2. About your post title - Please don't

I'd much rather he didn't have the chance to breed ...

/bad humour attempt

[seabeyond]

4. from what i understand, that is his goal. to get women preg.... egomaniac. nt

[ismnotwasm]

17. You mean the "no you fuck him" types

Fuck them too. I've done a lot of research into this guy. The basic story of the rapes is that they started with consensual sex, then the disgusting little weasel somehow "lost" his condom and raped the women when they were passed out. The women were reluctant to press charges--under Swedish law, it fits the definition of rape, so the state pressed charges The Julian supporters think this is a big conspiracy.

But see, I had already done homework prior to this incident. He's an ego- maniac who didn't properly protect his sources. He has absolutely no regard for anyone or anything besides himself, and he's milking the incident from the comfort if the Italian embassy.

So I say again Fuck Julian Assange.

[seabeyond]

19. egomaniac and weasel are the two descriptive i put on the guy also. wowser, lol. nt

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

23. Was Julian Assange Of WikiLeaks Set Up?

From The Young Turks video:

"You're telling me that a guy who was doing these massive leaks, which is infuriating, not only the United States government, but governments all across the world, because he's telling us what they're actually doing, that all of a sudden, at the same exact time, there's rape charges against him. Just coincidental. Just coincidental.

Oh, hell no, man. Come on, how naive do you have to be? Doesn't mean it didn't happen; it doesn't mean I wouldn't listen to evidence. But you'd have an overwhelming case to convince me that this is the wildest coincidence of all time."

Video here

[seabeyond]

24. right. the all important cable that putin is an alpha. wowsers... nt

[ismnotwasm]

30. This started out consensual with both women

They were pissed because he went at it not wearing a condom and waking up with non-consensual sex. They weren't even sure they wanted to press charges. The act fit the Swedish Governments's criteria of rape. He won't go to face charges.

I don't know about the possibility of governments taking advantage of a very awkward situation, but it's not hard to find translation of the original testimony of the women involved.

Hackers will probably save the world-- or destroy it. I, for one am glad and grateful for hackers and whistle blowers.

None of which changes my mind about Assange.

[BainsBane]

31. What's not a coincidence is people standing behind an accused rapist

and shaming his victims. But it shows what their values are and makes clear that they see women as less important than a man they happen to admire. Believing Assange above the law and the women unworthy of the basic human right to have her allegations legally addressed is enough for me to know exactly what they are. It's just like Steubenville. Only the faces change.

[intaglio]

33. For a start off these are not the first allegations

Stories about Mr Assange's contempt for women had been doing the rounds for some time.

Second: he has not been charged, the Swedish system does not work that way; he has been told to attend the preliminary judicial investigation - and that is what he is fleeing.

Third: Assange claims that he would be OK with attending that hearing but that he thinks that the Swedes will extradite him to the USA, based on no evidence whatsoever of such a plot; he is also says he is asking for legally enforceable undertakings from the US Government that they will not attempt any extradition - which would be impossible.

His claim that the rape charges are part of a plot does not stand up to any thought at all (something I failed to do originally). If there had been such a plot to have Assange removed to the USA then it would more likely that the USA would have asked the British authorities to hold Assange whilst they presented their case - and the Brits would have been only too happy to have done so.

The truth seems to be that Assange is terrified of having to face up to an investigation which would show him as not a hero but as a despicable and rather creepy human being, no matter what the outcome of that investigation. To this end he has fabricated a tragedy of which he is the lone hero.

[Rockyj]

58. We are Women Against Rape but we do not want Julian Assange extradited...

"For decades we have campaigned to get rapists caught, charged and convicted. t the pursuit of Assange is political..."


"In 1998 Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet was arrested in London following an extradition request from Spain. His responsibility for the murder and disappearance of at least 3,000 people, and the torture of 30,000 people, including the rape and sexual abuse of more than 3,000 women often with the use of dogs, was never in doubt. Despite a lengthy legal action and a daily picket outside parliament called by Chilean refugees, including women who had been tortured under Pinochet, the British government reneged on its obligation to Spain's criminal justice system and Pinochet was allowed to return to Chile. Assange has not even been charged; yet the determination to have him extradited is much greater than ever it was with Pinochet. (Baltasar Garzón, whose request for extradition of Pinochet was denied, is representing Assange.) And there is a history of Sweden (and Britain) rendering asylum seekers at risk of torture at the behest of the US."

[link:http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/aug/23/women-against-rape-julian-assange%20|

[seabeyond]

65. this is why using "women against rape" with this article is garbage. everyone knows the sweden

system is not about charges made. so to continually hold that up as if it matters, when talking about sweden makes it clear you, or others are not interested in your supposed "truth". another point. again.... what does pinochet have to do with assange. nothing.

nothing.

that is a piss poor argument you pulled out. all in the name of "women against rape"

except. if it is someone we like

[Rockyj]

51. What is the worst thing that can be done to destroy a persons credibility

and reputation, and make you hate the whistle blower?
I am a professional in the violence against women field. In 2010, I was actually invited to the White House to be part of Round Table discussion on Sexual Assault in America. I am also a multiple rape survivor and know more about REAL victim blaming then anyone here! I have deeply researched this topic and thoroughly believe Assange was set-up and he's basically guilty of pressuring a young woman to have morning sex (who he just had sex with the night before) and having sex without a condom.
I bet there isn't one young man (or older man) who hasn't been guilty of that! So lets lock them all up!
Stupid yes, especially, being who he is.
I question your sudden concern for the so called victims and why this topic is being brought up now when its been driven through the coals so many times.

[seabeyond]

52. ah. so when a woman says no (because no condom) and a man holds her down, that is acceptable

to you. all the young men do it.

really?

[Rockyj]

53. That story has changed many times...

One of the young woman bragging about nailing him and they shared stories.
Originally, after the police interviewed him and the charges were dropped. One of the women has ties to the CIA, and the other may have been working undercover for the Swedish Security Service.
The real crime is that these women are hurting REAL rape survivors by demeaning the seriousness of rape, which makes it even harder for REAL rape victims to come forward!

[seabeyond]

54. Supposed Rajputs = good. Supposed victim = bad. No day in court cause the net says so.

Seems like this is a free rape card and exactly reinforcing the OP. Thank you for the example.

[xulamaude]

56. Hey, you know, it's all the rage

to penetrate a woman without a condom against her previously stated wishes! Hey it's just a little non-consensual "morning sex"!

Ummm, that's rape no matter how many men are doing it. Can't lock 'em all up? Wish I could.

[Rockyj]

57. So you were there?

[xulamaude]

60. Not "there"

but in the same type of situation more than once.

Happens all the time and it's rape even though most people don't 'like' to think of it that way.

[seabeyond]

66. you seem to throw up the no one knows when convenient, yet deny the women the right to take to court

for the issue to be addressed. you also seem a believe in creating a what could happen, to deny the women the right to take to court.

this argument seems to side more to facing court since you nor i or anyone else was there. dontcha think?

[Sheldon Cooper]

55. Wow. You have a lot of nerve to come into this space and diss one of our most

admired and respected members. What gives you the right to question anyone's concern about rape victims? Your so-called credentials? I am not impressed.

[Rockyj]

59. Whoa there...

space...diss? Seriously? Isn't this SPACE about having discussions about political issues or is it just a SPACE where everyone agrees with each other?

[Sheldon Cooper]

62. Maybe you should read up on some things before you come in here running your mouth.

Try this, for starters:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=about&forum=1255

[xulamaude]

63. Thank you. nt

[seabeyond]

67. "I question your sudden concern for the so called victims". that would be a personal attack. and

an ugly on at that.

[seabeyond]

3. he is pure egomaniac. i did nto think much of him and manning prior to rape charges. but, since...

it is just once again, elevating a man to hero status, and attacking the victims. allowing rape with total dismissal to his part in it.

so easy

i watched them do the same with the maid in the dsk rape

oh fuck... then bring up polanski and watch people defend him and his rapin' ass of a kid. that one even went to court and got a guilty. but not rape rape. a 43 yr old man, rpaing a 13 yr old girl. but you know, she was much old, mentally and she really wanted it. drugs and booze? fuck it. she deserved it.

that ... would be the rape culture

[mercuryblues]

5. Why can't

both be true? Doing one of those things does not have to exclude doing the other.

[seabeyond]

6. both, what? i believe it is a big old scam. he isnt wanted. he is not gonna be got by u.s.

in the mean time, he can use a made up story to escalate himself to hero status and avoid the repercussion of behavior in sweden. and have people world wide defend him.

manning i do not see as a hero. an angry person who down loaded a bunch of crap to look for a gotcha. and assange jumped on it to make a name for self. none were productive. none handled in a manner that it was not all about ego. not a single bit of integrity thru out, which leads me to believe, that the intent of event was anything but selfish motivation.

whistle blower without ego but to do good would be the Erin Brockovich of the world. this woman, i respect. she saw a specific problem. focused on that problem. and worked to expose, at her expense.

these recent so called "whistle blowers" are all self grandized egomaniacs and assange used a really sad manning.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

22. Wikileaks hits that turned the world on its head

WikiLeaks' Most Terrifying Revelation: Just How Much Our Government Lies to UsWikileaks has shown that our government and military form a 'vast lying machine' that perpetrates mass murder in our name.January 3, 2011

-- U.S. MURDER OF CIVILIANS: -- REGULAR COVERUPS OF U.S. CIVILIAN MURDER: -- U.S. AND A CORRUPT AFGHAN GOVERNMENT ARE ALIENATING AFGHAN CIVILIANS AND LOSING THE WAR:
http://www.alternet.org/story/149393/wikileaks'_most_terrifying_revelation%3A_just_how_much_our_government_lies_to_us


=================================================5 more WikiLeaks Revelations Exposing the Rapidly Growing Corporatism Dominating American Diplomacy AbroadOne of WikiLeaks' greatest achievements has been to expose the exorbitant amount of influence that multinational corporations have over Washington's diplomacy.June 21, 2011


"...From mining companies in Peru to pharmaceutical companies in Ecuador, one WikiLeaks embassy cable after the next illuminates a pattern of US diplomats shilling for corporate interests abroad in the most underhanded and sleazy ways imaginable...."


‎7. US officials work as salespeople for Boeing.
8 US diplomats by day — Monsanto henchmen by night.
9. Pharmaceuticals + US diplomats = best friends forever.
10. Washington 'hearts' abusive mining companies in Peru.
11. Diplomats as corporate spies


http://www.alternet.org/story/151370/5_wikileaks_revelations_exposing_the_rapidly_growing_corporatism_dominating_american_diplomacy_abroad/

=================================================


5 WikiLeaks Hits of 2011 That Are Turning the World on Its Head -- And That the Media Are Ignoring
June 7, 2011Is 2011 capable of exceeding 2010's revelations? And what discoveries in 2011 has WikiLeaks unearthed thus far


1. Arab Spring: The Tunisians were 1st in Arab world to oust a leader in a generation.
2. WikiLeaks released Guantanamo Files..showing an oppressive detention system riddled w/ incoherence & cruelty at every stage.
3. US allies are among the leading funders of international terrorism.
4. World leaders are practically lighting a fire under the Arctic.
5. US would let Haitians starve to protect US corp. interests.


http://www.alternet.org/world/151232/5_wikileaks_hits_of_2011_that_are_turning_the_world_on_its_head_--_and_that_the_media_are_ignoring/


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WikiLeaks: Israel Plans Total War on Lebanon, GazaThe Israeli military is planning out massive bombings of areas full of innocent civilians.January 3, 2011 http://www.alternet.org/world/149387/wikileaks%3A_israel_plans_total_war_on_lebanon,_gaza

==================================================

7 Shocking WikiLeaks RevelationsRound 1 of Cablegate, Julian Assange's big reveal.November 29, 2010 |
1. We’ve been secretly bombing Yemen.


2. U.S. uses diplomats as spies. Speaking of Clinton... she ordered diplomats to spy on government officials at the UN, gathering such info as credit card and frequent flyer numbers, computer passwords...and DNA


3. U.S. uses Guantanamo Bay prisoners as bargaining chips.


4. China’s been hacking our systems since 2002.


5. Afghanistan is corruption Disneyland. OK, no big surprise there, but it is interesting that Ahmad Zia Massoud was caught traveling to the UAE with $52 million in cash. After being detained by the DEA, he "was ultimately allowed to keep [the money


6. Iran might have long-range missiles. Practically the entire Middle East has urged the U.S


7. Putin and Berlusconi's close relationship causes alarm. "Alpha dog" Vladimir Putin and Italian partier/prime-minister Silvio Berlusconi have forged a close relationship, potentially involving shady business deals.

http://www.alternet.org/world/149015/7_shocking_wikileaks_revelations/

[seabeyond]

25. i knew most of that shit before wiki came out. and if i knew most of the stuff, bet it pretty much

was all out there.

no huge revelations.

[xulamaude]

26. Vast Lying Machine

According to some folks (Assange, et al) not only is one of the most powerful entities on the face of the planet a lying machine...

So is the least powerful entity - roughly half of the world's population - when she reports a non-consensual sexual act upon her person.

Edit to clarify: by "powerful entities" I mean mostly white, rich western men and their friends

[gollygee]

7. He could have both

done good with Wikileaks and still be a rapist.

People seem to have an odd black/white idea of good and bad. If he did one thing good, then he couldn't possibly have done something bad. He is good and can only be good. And if people are suggesting that he might have done something bad, they are saying he is bad and everything he has done must be bad.

But that's not how people are. It is entirely possible that he did Wikileaks for good reasons, and that it was a good thing, but that he's also guilty of rape. We need a trial to find out about the rape charges. If the case is as weak as people claim (and I have no idea as I'm not an expert on this) then that will become clear pretty quickly in the trial.

But we can't just not charge people with rape when they've been accused because we like something else they've done. Would we feel that way about charges for any other crime? Or is it just rape?

[Sheldon Cooper]

8. Your last sentence poses a good question.

If he was accused of something like, say, drunk driving which resulted in killing an innocent child, would people here be typing themselves hoarse to excuse him? I doubt it, frankly. I think people would want him questioned by the authorities and made to face whatever music ensued.

But rape? Nah. Because in our rape culture, it's way too easy to impugn the woman and make it seem like she's lying, or she had consensual sex and then regretted it, or whatever other bogus story gets served up to excuse rape.

[mercuryblues]

9. that is

exactly what I meant.

I had a rough night's sleep and a harried AM. Posting before coffee consumption.

Look at John Edwards. He did some notable things and was a total jackass in his private life. People here accept both those truths. So why not both about JA?

[seabeyond]

11. and that should be easy. it doesnt conflict. that would be the difference of judging and not.

people here think calling out the bad is judging. it is not. it is simply recognizing and calling it out loud for what it is. and yes. there will be good to find. though.... i really do not know what it is with assange. that is my personal belief.

interesting. thanks. edward is a good one to look at the issue. i would have voted for him, with trepidation, before.... i knew what he did. and for different reasons, other decide is the obvious one. weinrer. a lot i like. and respect.

[seabeyond]

12. gasp... obama. lol. nt

[BainsBane]

16. and also some insist if you want to see Assange answer for the sexual assault

You must be a pro-government authoritarian. It's a one-dimension, even childish, view of things.

[xulamaude]

20. It's a damn mysogynist view. So what IF

the US and their corporate/banking task masters ARE 'setting him up' or whatever??

What the hell does that have to do with rape charges in Sweden?

[seabeyond]

21. exactly. point on. nt

[BainsBane]

14. I don't understand

What do you mean by both?

[mercuryblues]

15. exactly

what Gollygee posted up thread.

[geek tragedy]

10. For certain people, Assange is the star quarterback of their favorite football team nt

[seabeyond]

13. perfectly said. i posted elsewhere. it reminds me of the 67k people that cheered a possible rapist

in the stadium of a football game in florida.

that is what this feels like.

[DonCoquixote]

18. I agree

Look, Assange may have done somethign heroic as far as wikileaks, but you cannot do the arithmetic that says "so many good deeds against people we do not like earns pardon for a few rapes." Now, are the people who want him extradited guilty as sin, and do they want to hang him using rape as a pretext, yes, after all, if you are going to punish someone for rape, the USA is NOT a role model. However, let's not bury our hreads in the sand that st julian should nto accoutn for rapes, or else you will encourage a bunch of alpha male fuckheads to do good deeds in the pretext that they will get to do what they want, like rockstars playing music to"get chicks."

[BainsBane]

29. It is exactly the same

No difference whatsoever. Anyone who thinks only men they don't like or admire should be held to legal account for their actions is someone who has no respect for the law, women, or other rape victims. Whether protecting football players or Assange, their goal is the same: to protect an accused rapist from being held accountable because they consider him more important than the lowly women who reported their assaults. Just because their justifications for the type of person they defend differs means nothing. They are the same type of people with the same values: They see the man they protect as intrinsically more worthy than his victims, whose basic human rights they refuse to respect. Rape apology is rape apology, regardless of whom it is defense of. Victim shaming is victim shaming, regardless of whom the targets are. They put themselves above the courts because they think they know the accused rapist is innocent, but in reality they don't really care. Their steadfast refusal to look at the legal evidence and determination to distort it makes clear how little they value the lives of the women involved.

[eilen]

27. imo, it is a case of he said, she said

Police were not called nor charges made before he left the country.

[BainsBane]

34. I wrote an OP in GD

It's unlikely that it will be read thoughtfully, but I had to write it anyway. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024161750

Actually it's too damned long so no one may read it at all. Made me feel better though.

[Sheldon Cooper]

35. Why on earth was your post hidden?

What was wrong with it? Another jury failure.

[seabeyond]

36. i re read that post. du has pretty much set itself up with jury so women canNOT even argue sexism,

without a possibility of a hide

keep it civil. too often we keep it civil and get a hide. because it is the uncomfortable truths that get the hide.

totally bogus

yes... i do WANT to KNOW how we are suppose to challenge the misogyny when a post like that gets a hide. bullshit. total bullshit.

[Sheldon Cooper]

37. Mommy, make those mean feminists go away!!!

Wah!

[seabeyond]

38. and with this rigged system... they can. thanks adm... nt

[Sheldon Cooper]

39. Yep.

[SidDithers]

47. FWIW, jury results....

At Wed Dec 11, 2013, 09:54 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

and with this rigged system... they can. thanks adm... nt
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1255&pid=31029

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

Calling out the admins used to be an automatic hide and claiming that the jury system is rigged as part of a misogynistic plot is over the top.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Dec 11, 2013, 10:06 AM, and the Jury voted 3-3 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: IMO, calling out the jury system, or the Hosting system for that matter, is perfectly acceptable in the open-transparency era of DU3. I believe seabeyond is wrong - I don't think the jury system is rigged at all. However, I believe she has every right to express her opinion about the jury system, and that expression of her opinion isn't hide-worthy in the least.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT and said: Indeed! OTT!
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: This alert smells like part of a concerted campaign to get BainsBane's posts hidden, in the hope of a ban. I do not think a small moan about the results of the jury system is "calling out the admins", and I don't think it's 'over the top'. I very much doubt the alerter thinks either of those things. Hope this is 6-0 to leave, so the alerter can't alert for 24 hours.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT and said: I agree w/ the alert.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

I was #2.

Sid

[seabeyond]

48. and look how close. one more. i am shut up. how many posts do i get alerted on a day....

how many of the others.

people like to suggest we are alerting all over the place. i give administration permission to tell du just how often i alert. less than occassionally. cannot remember the last.

now. tell me. how many of my posts a day are alerted on. get the right four, and that surely is not hard. and i am silenced.

thank you sid

thank you for ... not agreeing with me, and yet being fair. and then thank you for sharing.

that, i respect. agreement or not does not matter.

[Cha]

84. Thanks Sid.. wow. I saw BainsBane's question in AKA..

and couldn't believe her post got hidden! For what!?

And, those other two examples of Very Personal Insults were allowed to stand. Freaking Farce.

[Recursion]

41. Yup. I wish that weren't true, but it's absolutely true.

It's absurd at this point.

[seabeyond]

42. i have 6 hides. because someone presents the offensive. i challenge the offensive. how does one

challenge the offensive, even civilly, without offending.

the way everything has been set up on du, it all silences women. majority rule. bullying rule. and with five hides, the woman is silenced. very effective

be nicer. be civil. that is all it takes.

really?

how about shutting up, then maybe i wont get a hide. there ya go.

[Recursion]

43. And, not to put too fine a point on it, I present substantively the same arguments

and have 0 hides. Not because I make those arguments better, but because I have "M" in my profile, and I'm not being alert-stalked by MRAs (yet).

[seabeyond]

44. absolutely. nt

[seabeyond]

45. women are dropping like flies. this has become an hostile environment for the women that speak out.

with a progressive movement, this should be a welcoming place for women to speak out. it is indicative of the whole of the democratic party. they want our votes. and they dismiss us once they get that vote. it is not a right or left issue. it is a male privilege/entitlement issue, across the board. and women are to accomodate. that is our role. and that is the back lash and struggle. to squoosh us back into that box they so demand we live in.

too many women are tired of this garbage allowed on du. the simple disrespect allowed. and they are walking.

we invested a lot fo time, trying to keep this a place for both men and women. and like thru out the nets, this is merely on more man space. women play along the roles given, or they will be silenced.

[xulamaude]

49. Thank you, thank you, thank you! nt

[Electric Monk]

61. Right, it must've been sexism for a jury to hide "fuck you, darlin' nt" and "fuck you. and i will

take my hide."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4079892
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1255&pid=27955

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=139846&sub=trans

Yep, it's everyone else that's the problem. Couldn't have a thing to do with what and how you choose to post.

[xulamaude]

64. "Jurors, please note context."

Should she have said: screw you?

Would that make it better?

[seabeyond]

68. i was pointing out the poster said screw off. screw off = fuck you. so no, that was not

me telling the poster to fuck off. that was me telling the poster it is against the rules for her to tell me to screw off. see the difference?

and yes. the poster i told to fuck off every post was misogynist. and he was allowed to stay. he finally sent all of us a trashy, vulgar, ugly pm. and i told him to fuck off. an hour later he was tos'ed/ right. dude. my bad.

[polly7]

70. That's a stinking lie.

And typical for you.

I said that your continued unwanted sexist terms like darlin' and huggies, smoochie icons - (puke), etc. were no better than telling a man on the street who continued to harass you to screw off. Either you're that stupid, or you purposefully misunderstood to make yourself the poor victim again. As you also insisted on calling another poster 'dear' and telling her she was a hypocrite for objecting to it. Let's face it, not all of us are into hypocritical authoritarian bullies ....... and that shit would go on about 2 seconds in real life.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4079899

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4074989

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4081621

msanthrope (20,686 posts)
258. This is the second thread in as many days when you've been called out for your anti-woman

language. Both times you've crossed personal boundaries with women. Why is that?

Star Member msanthrope (20,686 posts)
254. She did the same condescending crap to me in this thread...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4074989

Crap that wouldn't be acceptable from any male....is okay to do to females.



Almost as bad as stealing someone's personal health info to pm around claiming they were incompetent and hiding for days, never admitting to it while letting people believe she was lying, or crazy.

Stop being a lying hypocrite. You're sickeningly bad at it.

[seabeyond]

71. scew off = fuck you. no polly. it is not a lie. now.... go away. nt

[polly7]

72. It absolutely was a lie.

And you're good at getting away with shit then running away screaming 'poor me!!!!!!'.

Blech.

[seabeyond]

73. the lie is saying. screw off = fuck you, is saying fuck you, to you. as the alerter did.

right? the alerter saying i was telling you to fuck off. which i did not. twice i posted saying screw off meant fuck you. saying fuck you to a poster was a hide.

and what did you alert on, polly.... that i told you to fuck off. which i did not. correct? so the lie....

now i might of misread your post. but... the alerter... polly, lied. saying i said fuck you... to you.

[polly7]

74. I never told 'you' to screw off.

As much as you need people to believe I did ..... anyone with half a brain could read what I wrote and understand perfectly well I meant your continued harassment after being asked to stop, was exactly like a man on the street continuing to accost you after you've told him to 'screw off'. But ..... you purpuosefully turned that (somehow!) into saying I said 'fuck you'. Another good try, though!

I didn't alert.

[seabeyond]

75. who reads what you write. look at this post. it is so full of trash talk why would i bother.

i look at the first sentence, starting with trash talk, stop reading.

and i think it about obvious i read only the end with screw off. and it was obvious i was saying screw off = fuck you. against rules. and it is obvious the alerter lied and said i told you to fuck off.

now... gonna edit this post of trash talk so you do not get a hide?

[polly7]

76. I don't give aflying fuck how you read it.

Seriously ...... do you honestly believe I would?

Just wanted to point out some of your many lies. This is your safe haven, but you run all over the board bullying people, harassing them in ways that male harassers would be PPR'd for and you don't get to fucking lie about me here, or anywhere else.

You also owe the person who's private medical info you stole and passed around in pm's an apology. That would take guts though, so I hope she isn't holding her breath.

Do I wanna edit the truth?

FUCK NO.

[seabeyond]

79. see. again, polly.... first sentence in title. you start. no readie..... nt

[Sheldon Cooper]

78. It is indeed quite toxic.

Don't bother responding, sea. Don't get goaded into another hide.

[xulamaude]

80. Agreed.

Holy shit.

[seabeyond]

81. did i show you my latest FB sheldon cooper. i love the dude.

[Sheldon Cooper]

82. I love Sheldon.

And he's a Texas boy, too!

[seabeyond]

83. lol. and mama. nt

[xulamaude]

77. "Either you're that stupid, or you purposefully misunderstood to make yourself the poor victim..."

You wouldn't happen to be calling a fellow DUer stupid would you, or did I just read that wrong 4 times?

[ismnotwasm]

46. I have no clue

That's one of the strangest hides I've ever seen

[grantcart]

50. shameful hide.

[Recursion]

40. Why the fuck was that post hidden?

Seriously, what's happening here?

[mtnester]

69. I have no idea, but that was as bad a hide as I have ever seen.

anything else gets my post hidden