Ok, I have noticed several threads in GD about women killing men

[intaglio]

apart from being pretty obvious flame bait is there any particular reason for that?

[BainsBane]

1. I just posted one in Weird News

The same story about the SC wedding stabbing, though a different article. I don't know if a post about a women killing or attempting to kill a man is necessarily flame bait. It does happen, though women comprise about 15% of killers and men 85%.

[intaglio]

3. I know it happens

It is just the posting of these stories in GD given the current MRA assault

Maybe I'm being oversensitive ...

[BainsBane]

2. okay, I just saw one

That clearly is driven by an agenda.

[SkyDaddy7]

4. Women kill men?

Who would have guessed?

[LanternWaste]

8. Anyone and everyone, one may presume.

"Who would have guessed?"
Anyone and everyone, one may presume.

However, I think the point being made is not denial that it ever happens, but rather if statistical aberrations are being posted in order to appear much more typical than advertised.

[cinnabonbon]

5. Retaliation? "See, women do it too!"

The reason why female murderers make the news is because they're a novelty item, though.

[TomClash]

6. Like the hippies used to say

Make love not war.

I don't really get this MRA thing.

[intaglio]

7. That just means you have been fooled

by the radfem controlled media and do not realise how oppressed men are and how they can no longer give in to their natural need to protect, dominate, hunt elk, go into sweat lodges and grab those "Sobbin' Women"*. if needed

On the other hand you could be a normal person ...

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* reference to "7 Brides for 7 Brothers" the video of which I will not post

[TomClash]

39. Nah

I just like and love women.

[planetc]

9. "I don't really get this MRA thing." -- Good for you.

Also, of course, the hippies were right. Let's create a flash market for bell-bottom jeans.

[intaglio]

11. No-o-o-o-o-o

Not bell bottoms just NO, Nay, Never ever again. The world only just survived last time

[Squinch]

10. Fear?

[CTyankee]

12. Oh, I think so.

Judith Slaying Holofernes by Artemisia Gentileschi (woman artist of Baroque era)

[Squinch]

13. OMG! What a horribly beautiful painting!

[CTyankee]

14. Her father, Orazio, was friends with Carvaggio. Artemisia probably admired Caravaggio's

rendering of this scene, altho as you may note, hers is bloodier. The back story on her was that she was raped as a young woman.

Here is Caravaggio's version:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/Judith_Beheading_Holofernes-Caravaggio_(c.1598-9).jpg

[xulamaude]

15. Sometimes

that's what freedom from oppression looks like.

Unfortunately.

[boston bean]

26. You won't only break GD if you posted that in there, you would break all of DU! LOL nt

[CTyankee]

27. Actually, I think I did post the Gentileschi version a while back...

I did a whole grad school paper on Caravaggio and spent some time on Artemisia's version of this work, rape history and all, back in 2003 (yes, I went back to get a master's as an old person).

I think the reason for all the realistic blood in Artemsia's version is because of her earlier rape. The blood in the Caravaggio version is just not as realistic.

[boston bean]

28. The one with the blood, in my opinion was better art.

but I know absolutely nothing about art... LOL

[CTyankee]

29. I know. Caravaggio's blood seems artificial. Artemisia's is very real...

[boston bean]

30. That and the image of two women doing that

seemed more realistic, rather than one doing the deed by herself. You could feel the feelings of rage more with the first.

The second the woman doesn't look like she is even breaking a sweat! LOL

The first woman with the sword looks much more determined where as the woman in the second one looks confused and really a bit blaise.

I'm so ashamed to even speak about art when I know nothing of it, and I probably sound like a fool, but there is a laymans opinion for you.

[CTyankee]

32. No, please don't feel that way! I value, I treasure the views of feminists about art.

AS you know, art is my thing. It is, however, over the years, often sexist (altho not as much as you might think!).
So it is a bit of a bittersweet feel that I have.

Here is what Sir Kenneth Clark (art critic and onetime Director of the National Gallery in London) had to say:

“It's a curious fact that the all-male religions have produced no religious imagery--in most cases have positively forbidden it. The great religious art of the world is deeply involved with the female principle." Sir Kenneth Clark

[boston bean]

33. Religion. that is one topic we don't discuss in HoF and we should.

It has such an influence on culture.

[CTyankee]

34. Clark's statement is intersting. IIRC, he converted to Roman Catholicism from Church of

England Protestantism later in life. He was a big deal back in the day.

I think the Female Principle is an issue in the history of art that should be researched. I did one in a grad course. Interestingly, it was at a Roman Catholic College! My art professor was so cool about this! I did this whole thing around the goddess stuff and she loved it. In fact, all the professors in my grad school course were terrific, except for one (an old nun with a doctorate in Economics...I was afraid of her...and hid when I saw her coming in the halls...).

[CTyankee]

38. Ya know, I was thinking about this thread this morning and I had this thought that

somebody might take it into their head that my posting these paintings here in HoF was some sort of dire plot against men...like, OMG, mankillers extolled by those awful Feminists, see what they're doing now!!!

I must say I wouldn't be surprised...

[nomorenomore08]

35. The blood in the Caravaggio one looks like red string... You're right, very artificial...

And I agree that the Artimisia (spelling?) one is far more striking.

[CTyankee]

37. Her Judith is certainly putting more muscle into it...Caravaggio's Judith is standing further back

from her victim, almost afraid of what she is doing. Artimisia seems to know exactly what she's doing...

[LanternWaste]

16. Bait or validation.

From where I sit, it's either Bait (as you said) or validation-- depending on the particular poster (I've seen three today-- two for validation, one for bait).



Bait-- just to get a flame war going.

Validation-- so that the MRA's may continue to irrationally stroke their shrinking sense of dominance in the hope that it gets bigger one day.

[seabeyond]

17. i am so glad you took the time to define how you saw the difference in the two.

very good. interesting

[CTyankee]

18. another one showed up today in GD...I'm sure you know which one I am referring to.

Some people just aren't subtle, are they?

P.S. How are you feeling?

[seabeyond]

19. no. they are not. i am not one that professes all gender bad all gender good. so it is a futile

effort to correct or influence. it gives them something to talk about

worse. i think i did something to my ribs and that is why i have so much pain. i thought it was the effects of bronchitus. now that i have had another day to localize and the pain growing, i think it is a rib issue.

anyway, thanks. i am a baby. i never experience anything so the few times i do.... it makes me cry, lol

[CTyankee]

20. Oh, I am too, but at my age I am a tough old bird.

Which is why some of these younger misogynists are so funny to me. They think old birds like me haven't heard it all before? That, and then some, fellas...

[seabeyond]

21. i know. isnt that so funny. i have the young nieces and nephews.

i ask them, what do you think you know i do not already know,... have done, experienced. let me teach you a few things. it is trippy. and i am sure? we did it when we were young. actually, i do not think i did when young. i was under no illusion

[redqueen]

22. ...

... so that the MRA's may continue to irrationally stroke their shrinking sense of dominance in the hope that it gets bigger one day.

I dunno if that was intentional but

[LanternWaste]

23. Just a little bit.

Just a little bit...

[xulamaude]

24. When I read that earlier I was just going to say

EEWWW!

Even though it's entirely accurate

[smirkymonkey]

25. Back from vacation.

I see the usual suspects are still at it. God, will it never end?

[intaglio]

36. Just posted on the admin thread about the hide above

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12594470 I've also tried to send a PM to Sea but obviously I am unsure if she will be able to get it. Any of you with other ways of contacting her might like to spread the love.