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yardwork

(61,588 posts)
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 11:35 AM Dec 2013

Shout out to my friends in the History of Feminism group

Happy New Year. Two years ago there was an epic flame war on DU and I was on one side and many of the folks who founded the History of Feminism group were on the other side. And then, a wonderful thing happened. We reached across our differences. We stopped letting trolls divide us. We recognized that we had a lot in common - notably, a strong interest in talking about feminism on DU.

I've been a proud member of this group for a long time. I just want to say hello in solidarity to my buddies in the HoF group! Rock on.

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Shout out to my friends in the History of Feminism group (Original Post) yardwork Dec 2013 OP
geeez, woman. i love and miss you. and to you.... seabeyond Dec 2013 #1
Hey there! Good to see you are able to post! yardwork Dec 2013 #2
generously, they quickly got me off the double secret probation and now just waiting final day, ... seabeyond Dec 2013 #3
You're so bad... Squinch Dec 2013 #9
It's great to see you posting again lately yardwork... redqueen Dec 2013 #4
I will be going to the We Are Women rally katmondoo Dec 2013 #5
First I've heard! So glad to be here. mountain grammy Dec 2013 #8
Keep us posted on this! This could be a great thing right before the election. Squinch Dec 2013 #10
Happy New Year, yardwork ... Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #6
What you said! k&r Little Star Dec 2013 #7
Don't look now, but several of your old compatriots are trying to whip shit up again. PassingFair Dec 2013 #11
honestly, the people that stood with yardwork seem to feel about the same. those whipping up the seabeyond Dec 2013 #14
This. nt sufrommich Dec 2013 #17
Sing it sister! yardwork Dec 2013 #20
+1 Gormy Cuss Dec 2013 #24
for you, also seabeyond Dec 2013 #25
+1000 Starry Messenger Dec 2013 #27
solidarity seabeyond Dec 2013 #36
Absolutely true. cinnabonbon Dec 2013 #35
this belongs.... seabeyond Dec 2013 #37
Love it. cinnabonbon Dec 2013 #38
just cause... we have so many many awesome men speaking out. seabeyond Dec 2013 #39
Happy New Year! Squinch Dec 2013 #12
Morning yardie DURHAM D Dec 2013 #13
And a Happy New Year shout out to you, Durham D. You were the one who asked me to take another look. yardwork Dec 2013 #21
What very nice thread to see first thing...! hlthe2b Dec 2013 #15
Great post,Yardwork. sufrommich Dec 2013 #16
Nice to see you, yardwork. MadrasT Dec 2013 #18
Happy New Year Yardwork! Texasgal Dec 2013 #19
Happy new year - TBF Dec 2013 #22
So wonderful to see all these strong, articulate women posting! yardwork Dec 2013 #23
Wish we could accomplish that in the gungeon. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #26
She's not on the other side BainsBane Dec 2013 #30
good point. important point. shout it out, point. the crux of it. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #31
When I stopped viewing you as an opponent, we started having productive conversations that I have en AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #32
Hi yardwork UtahLib Dec 2013 #28
Hey Yardwork! Thank you! boston bean Dec 2013 #29
... ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #33
Hi yardwork :) xulamaude Dec 2013 #34
Daughter just azmom Dec 2013 #40
review of full frontal feminism seabeyond Dec 2013 #41

yardwork

(61,588 posts)
2. Hey there! Good to see you are able to post!
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 11:41 AM
Dec 2013

I thought you were on double-secret probation or something.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
3. generously, they quickly got me off the double secret probation and now just waiting final day, ...
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 11:42 AM
Dec 2013


cause i am bad

lol

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
4. It's great to see you posting again lately yardwork...
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 11:46 AM
Dec 2013

I miss your voice around here.

Over time I've developed a strong interest in talking about feminism at each and every opportunity!

katmondoo

(6,454 posts)
5. I will be going to the We Are Women rally
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 11:51 AM
Dec 2013

September 13th 2014 in Washington on the US Capitol building grounds. Women have to start being more active to protect themselves from the Right Wing attacks.

mountain grammy

(26,614 posts)
8. First I've heard! So glad to be here.
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 12:00 PM
Dec 2013

Checked in often, finally joined! Thanks to Trumad.

September is a wonderful time to be in DC. Count me in! Bringing my husband too.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
6. Happy New Year, yardwork ...
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 11:52 AM
Dec 2013

Last edited Mon Dec 30, 2013, 07:05 PM - Edit history (1)

Smiling through some tears here ...

Have to get off line. Lots to do today.

The timing of all this culminating with the year's end ... symbolic.

*sigh*

Thanks for the shout out - means a lot today.

PassingFair

(22,434 posts)
11. Don't look now, but several of your old compatriots are trying to whip shit up again.
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 12:08 PM
Dec 2013

Really nasty stuff.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
14. honestly, the people that stood with yardwork seem to feel about the same. those whipping up the
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 12:12 PM
Dec 2013

shit now, were never a serious part of the issue. they were the fringe that yardwork is talking about. egging it on with ugly glee

feminists as a whole has gotten past this. and we will not go back.... how stupid is that.

DURHAM D

(32,609 posts)
13. Morning yardie
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 12:10 PM
Dec 2013

Good post.

Feminists are under siege on DU and I truly appreciate the uppity women here who continue to fight the good fight.

Have a good year everyone.

yardwork

(61,588 posts)
21. And a Happy New Year shout out to you, Durham D. You were the one who asked me to take another look.
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 12:47 PM
Dec 2013

I remember that.

hlthe2b

(102,218 posts)
15. What very nice thread to see first thing...!
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 12:17 PM
Dec 2013

Yes, indeed. We are all the better for "dissolving" that divide.

yardwork

(61,588 posts)
23. So wonderful to see all these strong, articulate women posting!
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 12:55 PM
Dec 2013

Want to thank you all individually but it would clog up the thread. Just want to send a hug and Happy New Year wishes to all of you and your loved ones.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
26. Wish we could accomplish that in the gungeon.
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 01:35 PM
Dec 2013

Every time I hold out an olive branch, someone, from one side or the other, whacks me in the face with it.

BainsBane

(53,029 posts)
30. She's not on the other side
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 02:58 PM
Dec 2013

Your example would be more akin to feminists and MRAs getting together. Hers is more like those who favor glocks vs. (fill in name of another handgun).

Besides, I think you and I get along okay, as I do with a few other pro-2A people.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
32. When I stopped viewing you as an opponent, we started having productive conversations that I have en
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 03:09 PM
Dec 2013

joyed.

I couldn't point to a specific time when that happened, but I have noticed it.

I haven't followed HoF enough, to know what exactly is happening there.

UtahLib

(3,179 posts)
28. Hi yardwork
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 02:41 PM
Dec 2013

I am a proud new member of HOF. I remember your last post in Meta and replying in support of you, probably one of my very first posts. I'm so happy to see you have returned in spite of the abusers. We need you here.

Happy, happy holidays
Shar

 

xulamaude

(847 posts)
34. Hi yardwork :)
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 04:21 PM
Dec 2013

I was not privy to what went down 2 years ago but I think I can sorta figure it out...

Anyway, thanks for being here - we need all the strong voices we can muster.

Happy New Year to you too! See you around



azmom

(5,208 posts)
40. Daughter just
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 07:37 PM
Dec 2013

Got "full frontal feminism" I have read the first three chapters. It's very good. Thank you all for all the wonderful info you have provided. I have learned much this past year. Happy new year to all.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
41. review of full frontal feminism
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 07:55 PM
Dec 2013
Full Frontal Feminism is damn good. It is, very much, a love letter to feminism and a feminist primer. It is not a book that is meant to appeal to career feminists, or to women who have made feminism their lives — however, I am a woman who has pretty much made feminism her life, and I really enjoyed it and I learned from it. The point of Jessica’s book, though, is to explain to younger women why feminism is appealing, and why it’s valid in their lives. It explains why feminism has been important in Jessica’s life. FFF is appealing precisely because it’s conversational. Jessica’s writing is so incredibly tight that she can take complicated topics and distill them down to compelling one-sentence summaries — followed by “fuck that,” or some otherwise perfect, funny and to-the-point dismissal. She takes issues that would take me pages to explain and pares them down to a paragraph. And you’re laughing by the end of it. FFF is not an academic work, and was never intended to be. It’s informative without being intimidating; it’s intelligent and still accessible. Reading it is a lot like talking to Jessica in person — charming, funny, cutting, sometimes foul-mouthed, intelligent, and always fascinating.

Jessica and I differ on several issues, porn and statutory rape being the two that come most immediately to mind. But damn if she doesn’t present solid, grounded arguments for her points of view. And while we may not agree on everything, the fact is that Jessica gets it. She is well-schooled in both academic feminism as well as day-to-day, life-lesson feminism — and as a general rule she errs on the side of lived feminism, which is incredibly refreshing. I’ve done the academic feminism thing — hell, I’m still doing it — and while I love me some theory, at the end of the day, the way women live their lives and negotiate feminism with their lived realities matters a whole lot more than theory ever will. So her book isn’t laden with academic terms. Jessica isn’t trying to remind you that she’s smarter and more feminist than you are. And after spending a semester reading Butler and Foucault, sitting down with Full Frontal Feminism was a nice change. I could read it, be entertained, learn something, and not feel like I was having to work at it.

Full Frontal Feminism is intended to target younger women — high school and early college-aged would be my guess. I didn’t identify as a feminist until college, not because I didn’t have feminist beliefs, but because I hadn’t met anyone my own age who identified as feminist, and because I bought into a lot of the negative stereotypes about feminism. If you had thrown Andrea Dworkin or Judith Butler at 16-year-old Jill, she would have told you it was the most ridiculous thing she had ever read and thrown it back at you. But if you had given me Full Frontal Feminism, I would have thought twice about the feminist label. That was Jessica’s point — not to impress the theory-whores out there. Not to convert the 25-year-old grad student. Not to open the eyes of the 60-year-old veteran feminist who spent her whole life on the front lines. But to reach out to the younger women who have been scared away from feminism by the conservative backlash and an unsympathetic media.

That’s incredibly important. And that’s why so many of the criticisms of Full Frontal Feminism have pissed me off so much.

*

You don’t have to agree with everything Jessica writes, or how she writes it, or how she packages it. Criticism is crucial to building a more effective movement, and to making us all better people. But the snipes and the little cruelties leveled at Jessica are making my skin crawl. I want to believe that we can be constructive in our criticisms, that we can realize that we’re all trying to make progress toward gender equality and/or women’s liberation, and that even if we go about it in different ways, our hearts are in the right place. I want to believe that, while feminism may not unite us, it will at least offer some common ground. I want to believe that even if we quibble on the details, we will nonetheless support each other and have each others’ backs. I want to believe that we won’t cut each other down in the way that the rest of the whole fucking world cuts us down. It makes me incredibly sad to know that that isn’t the case.

Jessica is doing the hard work of making feminism accessible to a wide range of younger women. She is at the forefront of online feminist activism. She is well-versed in feminist theory. She is someone who I’m happy to see taking the lead in my generation of feminists. She is one of the kindest, smartest, most generous people I have ever met. She should be incredibly proud of what she’s accomplished. I’m incredibly proud of her. And I offer her my sincerest congratulations on a job well done.
http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2007/05/16/full-frontal-feminism/


a lot more in the article. it was interesting. thank you for mentioning. this seems one of the more fair and balanced critiques
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