Just for the record...

[boston bean]

Bennyboy This message was hidden by Jury decision. Hide

350. it is absolutely hostile and why this will be my last post here ever.

Seriously, in the past two days I ahve seen the absolute worse from people I thought wre my allies. FUCK THEM. Bunchafuckingcrones.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4553678

Definition:

crone

/krōn/

noun

plural noun: crones

1.

an old woman who is thin and ugly.

I am so god damned sick of this shit flying under the radar.

[geek tragedy]

1. At least a jury hid that one. I generally assume 2 votes to keep any form of misogyny

as standard.

[boston bean]

2. Well I assume you saw the other one in that same thread

where he said he wanted to spit on people here. And a bunch of other misogynistic bullshit.

[geek tragedy]

3. no, I didn't. oy. nt

[boston bean]

4. Oh, and the jury left it.

So then, because I would really like to spit in the face of a couple of posters here (you know who you are), I thought some sarcasm was in order. I thought a funny story with my female friend (who is hot as hell) who photos golfers did a strip club tourney would do the trick. (I thought it was pretty funny) Well that was def flamebait, but again, so fucking what? That too (Once past my obvious sarcasm) could have become a discussion about how much my friend (who is hot as hell) has to make little compromises to do her job. Or how she (even though she is hot as hell) is fortunate enough to not have to become a stripper in order to support herself. Or how she works all day taking photos for a few bucks but the strippers get that stuffed in their G string every five minutes. Or how Walter Ioss is HER favorite photographer too and she thinks that being an SI photographer is THE DREAM JOB.

really I've been here a long time and we used to be able to discuss stuff. I know that I have added to it myself, sometimes, probably because I am not with a female partner now, and every once in a while I feel the need to piss someone (a woman or women usually) off, and I do it on DU. But look at my past posts and you wills ee that I seldom post int he sex wars thread. I'd much rather talk about important stuff but the posts die. The list of shit DU don't care about is getting longer everyday (see the TTP thread today for an example) and this board is becoming a one issue forum. (See the anti men threads today for example)


But it is so bad now, Coming to DU now is like having your Mom, your wife, you ex wife and your daughter telling you how to behave every minute.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024548058#post263

[geek tragedy]

5. just went back and looked, would bet the keep it votes were 2 "no comments" and 1

"don't try to silence him" variance

I love how he, without irony, then busted out "some of my best friends are women" line.

[DURHAM D]

6. Poor thing.

All he has in his life is his hate.

btw - I can't help but notice that HofF is the new GD and GD is The New Lounge.

[hlthe2b]

21. Isn't that the truth...

I have given a few warnings to those posting in our big threads because I do understand how easy it is to pull a "GREATEST" or "LATEST" thread, assuming it is GD, only to find it is in a safe haven group with actual rules to follow. I made that mistake on a BOG thread early on (in a pretty inocuous way, but still faced major consternation and my one and only hide).


That said, warnings don't phase those who really have no business posting in HOF, so it pretty much comes out the same, regardless.

[hlthe2b]

22. Did you see this ATA reply from Skinner: IT OUGHT TO BE SENDING A SIGNAL TO GD HOSTS

but, unfortunately, I think it won't. The few who argue unanimity in the F&G Hosts forum, will still prevent these egregious threads from being locked.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12595039

[Tuesday Afternoon]

32. DURHAM D

I have long thought (probably since Meta was discarded or before) that the lounge should be shut down and return to the GD-only format.

The Lounge is just -weird- any more. Mainly, because GD is The New Lounge.

[nomorenomore08]

42. That last line, especially, is just astonishing to me... Dear God does this guy have a persecution

complex! I'm glad he was banned, though - to paraphrase Marge Simpson, he didn't just cross the line, he threw up on it. And I thought Deadheads were supposed to be mellow and shit!

[Sheldon Cooper]

7. I've had him on ignore forever, but we can only hope that he'll keep his promise and leave.

They usually don't though.

[JustAnotherGen]

8. +1

Or they threaten to start a blog so they can say how much they hate us without pushback - THEN they threaten to leave!

[pintobean]

9. Jury results for that post

Automated Message
AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your alert

Mail Message
On Sun Feb 23, 2014, 09:55 PM you sent an alert on the following post:

it is absolutely hostile and why this will be my last post here ever.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4553678

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS

He had 2 shit stirring posts locked by admin and another hidden by jury. Look at his disgusting post down-thread (#263) and the replies in that sub-thread. It looks like the people he thought were his allies have standards that he doesn't. Now he's going off on them. I say - hide his "last post here ever" to let him know DU can disagree without turning this ugly.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Sun Feb 23, 2014, 10:03 PM, and voted 4-2 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Naaaah...no reason to hide a GBCW post. It is kind of fun watching the inevitable return.

Besides, The insult is too generic. The alerter alerted on this post. In spite of his suggestion I look elsewhere, it is of no consequence. I'm judging this post and I say leave it.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The "gender wars" and cliquish behavior has turned GD and DU into a real mess. Many good posters have gotten fed up with the non-stop drama here and have moved on elsewhere. What's left are people who constantly talk past one another and eager to pick fights. It's a shame to see what has happened to what was once a very informative and vibrant site.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: OTP. Hide. Ohio Joe

Thank you.

I thought I would take a shot, since he got away with the one down-thread. I was surprised it was hidden, and thought it might go 0-6 leave.
Please note that no one supported him in that thread and that he only speaks for himself.

[boston bean]

10. All his shit stirring, and he still has an account here.

People have called DU members who have bared their soul about rape, being called liars by two who were flagged and let back on within hours.

There's more of a problem here, wouldn't you agree?

[pintobean]

12. Taverner and Pab are the only long time DUers

who have been PPRed while flagged. Taverner for having a sock, and Pab for misogyny that caused him to get flagged again. Those were TOS violations. Calling someone a liar is a community standards violation.

As to Bennyboy still being here, this all happened over the weekend. We're yet to see if admin does anything. I hope that disgusting post that was left was alerted on many times, so it catches their attention quickly. I also hope his transparency page looks just like Pab's by the end of the day.

[boston bean]

13. Uh the posts calling them liars were hidden by the community.

Yet, they still post to cause more harm to women at this site.

Secondly, one of those two had been flagged twice prior for attacking feminists.

I'm sorry, but what's the use of flagged for review due to two hidden posts in a 24 hour period, if admins can't act?

Those were two extremely gross over the top posts to a DU member in good standing. It's ok to call someone who was raped a liar on DU? Cause that's just about the only message that was conveyed, even though the community thought it was way out of line.

Sorry, for not having much faith in the system when stuff like the above occurs. We'll see about bennyboy soon enough, I guess.

[pintobean]

14. Sea's been flagged 3 or 4 times

Intaglio and trumad were flagged. Shouldn't the same standards apply to everyone? You can't even see your double standards. There's a lot of outrage here when a post like Bennyboy's gets left by a jury, yet you told bluesbassman that pretty much anything posted by the members here was acceptable as long as a jury lets it stand. I've seen some pretty ugly stuff posted in this group, followed by high fives.

We are a self policing community. If you find a type of behavior unacceptable, it should be unacceptable here, as well. By allowing bad behavior here, it helps lower the bar of community standards. If you want those standards to change, I would suggest you start at home.

[boston bean]

15. They can't post for quite some time.

We are talking about persons who made these vicious attacks and were let back on within hours.

Don't try to mix up what we are talking about here.

Good try.

[pintobean]

16. You're the one mixing things up

2 or more posts hidden in a 24 hour period - flagged for review

5 or more hidden posts in 90 days - unable to post until it's down to four

The software does it automatically.

Both can be triggered at the same time, which was the case with sea and intaglio.

[boston bean]

17. Yeah, I'm completely aware of the two systems. Thanks.

Now, if someone were to call a male or female rape survivor a liar in this group, you can be damned sure they would be blocked.

Never has anything so disgusting been posted here. That you can make some sort of conflation about talking about misogyny and that, there are more problems than I care to point out or discuss at this time.'

Now, run along. You remain hostile to this group and have been for sometime. I'm not all that comfortable with you posting your justifications here.

[pintobean]

18. I came in good will.

Good luck.

[hlthe2b]

34. Please give it a rest, pintobean.. Your points have been made.

Hosting groups that are subject to a lot of unfair targeting and sometimes worse is not something we do reflexively and without due consideration.

[pintobean]

37. I've been respectful here.

I brought information that I thought your group would like to have. In return, I get dismissive comments from the hosts like "run along" and "give it a rest".

If you don't appreciate what I've posted here, block me. Talking down to someone holding an olive branch isn't helping anything.

[hlthe2b]

38. Because you have been respectful is exactly why I politely asked that...

I accused you of nothing. I admit to second guessing decisions I make while hosting not infrequently and I think that makes me a better host at times. That is all.

[pintobean]

19. Skinner banned Bennyboy

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=204796&sub=trans

[boston bean]

20. Good, and good riddance to him.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

26. +1

This is a good day, boston bean. Finally.

[cinnabonbon]

23. That's good.

Thanks for letting us know.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

27. yes. very good.

Good news.

[cinnabonbon]

29. Do you think he'll get a sock and come back?

[Tuesday Afternoon]

33. it would not surprise me and I would not be surprised if a certain DUer on MIRt helps him

to remain undercover as long as possible. Being a host also helps in this capacity and this person is both.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

24. Thank god. He helped to make the lounge suck for a long time.

He took his shit to GD and I hope the rest of the trolls in the lounge are looked at with a new eye. They are moving into GD more and more and I am glad because their hateful misogynistic crap is being exposed for what they really are.

Thank you for posting that, pintobean.

[RBStevens]

25. Good on Skinner then.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

28. Yes. Kudos to Skinner. Too little and maybe too late but, Finally ... Skinner is taking a stand.

I hate it for them because I know it might hurt economically but, it is the right thing to do. Thank you, Skinner.

[hlthe2b]

31. I'm glad to see no one came to his rescue in that thread, but still he remains...

Admitting when pissed off, he comes to DU to actively piss off the women... Geebus.

and finishing with "DU now is like having your Mom, your wife, you ex wife and your daughter telling you how to behave every minute"


No misogyny there...

[RBStevens]

11. I had to snicker a little at the "crone" thing because

it's been mostly forgotten (since the word has morphed into a sexist slur) that a "crone" was actually an elder woman who was admired and respected for her wisdom - this would have been way back when women were the healers in the community.

Poor bennyboy (not)

[Tuesday Afternoon]

30. I love the history of a word and how words can change over time and morph into the exact opposite

of their original meaning.

[Texasgal]

35. I'm so glad he got banned.

What a nasty poster! Thank goodness the admins acted!

[BainsBane]

36. I miss a lot of drama when I don't read all the responses to my posts

Wow.

[mike_c]

39. consciousness raising on DU....

It's never a comfortable process, generally accompanied by drama. It's also absolutely necessary. In communities like DU, where people come and go frequently, it's pretty much never ending, too. Thanks for the work you do.

[Squinch]

41. Good point. Sometimes it feels like a few are just relentless, but it is probably more that

people come and go, and though it is the same argument, it's often different people.

[ismnotwasm]

40. Well at least he has his "hot as hell" friend's

Shoulder to cry on.

But the way we have a new "gentlemen club" not far from my neighbor hood. They apparently have 'stripper bingo', according to their reader board sign.

Just down the street, there is a vacuum cleaner repair shop-- been there for years--that decorates with painted old vacuums that look like robots. They always have a biblical quote on their much smaller reader board and have been handing out free bibles for years.

I love extreme contrasts and complete oddities.

Not so fond of a new strip club, because there are too many vulnerable immigrants where I live and the two boob barista businesses have already both been busted for prostitution.