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gollygee

(22,336 posts)
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 08:36 AM Jul 2014

The terrifying 1970s manual that shaped the pickup-artist movement

That initially contained the line (changed in later editions), "For an instant, you even consider rape."

Disturbing male entitlement follows.

http://www.salon.com/2014/07/21/for_an_instant_you_even_consider_rape_the_terrifying_1970s_manual_that_shaped_the_pickup_artist_movement

The 1970 manual “How to Pick Up Girls!” opens by asking the reader to imagine what at first seems like a romantic scene. “You’re walking down the street. Minding your own business. … And suddenly you spot a girl,” it reads. “Not just an ordinary girl. Not just a fantastic girl. But the girl.” It’s a bit of a generic setup, but, OK, I’m following. “You’ve just got to see more of her long lean legs,” writes author Eric Weber. “Her fine rounded breasts. Her high, firm behind. For an instant you even consider rape.”

Whoa. As Redditor putontheglasses, who featured this passage in a post this week that subsequently went viral, said, “Well, that escalated quickly.” Later editions of the book, which was a runaway success in 1970, by the way, replaced that disturbing line with the marginally less terrifying, “For an instant you even consider grabbing her right there in the street.” So, like, rape but not “rape.”

Four decades have passed since that original line was written, and in that time there has been a lot of desperately needed awareness-raising about sexual assault. So, it isn’t particularly remarkable that a dated book espouses such disturbing attitudes. Here’s what is fascinating about that rape-normalizing passage: The book is the progenitor of what we know today as the pickup artist community. It not only helped mainstream the term “pick up,” but it’s also referred to as a biblical text among some of today’s leading “pickup artists” or PUAs.

(snip)

Male entitlement to women’s bodies is a running theme throughout the book. “As a man, it’s your right, your privilege to approach a woman any time you want,” it reads. At one point it suggests, “Next time you move in on a girl, think to yourself, I’m doing her a favor.” You see, this entitlement is justified by the notion that women are perpetually asking for it: “Why do you think they wear skintight jeans and low cut, slinky blouses? Why do you think so many of them have completely stopped wearing bras and panties? Just to look pretty? Don’t be crazy. They’re showing you their breasts and behinds to stimulate you. To make you want to go to bed with them. Because every girl knows if her body is packaged well, you’ll try to pick her up.”

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The terrifying 1970s manual that shaped the pickup-artist movement (Original Post) gollygee Jul 2014 OP
Kick, kick, kick. CrispyQ Jul 2014 #1
"Don’t you have enough confidence and decency to return a fellow human being’s greeting?’heard on DU seabeyond Jul 2014 #2
Eye-opening post. Thank you! riqster Jul 2014 #3
Gack. n/t DirkGently Jul 2014 #4
God how clueless can people be and manage to stay alive? MadrasT Jul 2014 #5
I totally agree with you. In_The_Wind Jul 2014 #7
These men are seriously fucked up. redqueen Jul 2014 #6
Speaking as someone with social anxiety: Right on! WatermelonRat Jul 2014 #15
Dumbass chickenshits ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #8
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2014 #9
Are you an expert on pickup artists? gollygee Jul 2014 #10
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2014 #13
...fish in a barrel cyberswede Jul 2014 #11
... redqueen Jul 2014 #14
damn straight. it is like texas cops sittin on the colorado border. seabeyond Jul 2014 #16
What you, bored? ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #12

CrispyQ

(36,457 posts)
1. Kick, kick, kick.
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 08:59 AM
Jul 2014
"...For an instant you even consider rape.”






Weber writes of a friend who got angry at a female stranger who didn’t respond to his catcall on the street. He writes, “It got him so angry in fact that he ran after the girl who’d just snubbed him and began to berate her. ‘You know, all I did was say, hello … But you walk by as if l’m trying to rape you or mug you. What the hell’s the matter with you? Why are you being so damn suspicious? Don’t you have enough confidence and decency to return a fellow human being’s greeting?’”


So the jerk behaved exactly how we fear they will behave if we say don't say hi to them or if we do. We truly are damned if we do & damned if we don't.
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
2. "Don’t you have enough confidence and decency to return a fellow human being’s greeting?’heard on DU
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 09:51 AM
Jul 2014

just yesterday in that pick up video from a regular du.

suppose to take the comment from a strange man, unasked, for, unwanted, with a polite fuckin .... thank you

fuck that shit. rating women for his entertainment and women are suppose to THANK him

or else.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
3. Eye-opening post. Thank you!
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 10:02 AM
Jul 2014

I never looked into that book, but have spent years on the bandstand watching losers try to "pick up chicks". I always thought (and still think) that PUAs are pathetic, loathsome little lizard-brains. Never realized how destructive that culture is. Too busy laughing at it.

Again, thanks for showing us all what lies behind.

MadrasT

(7,237 posts)
5. God how clueless can people be and manage to stay alive?
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 10:53 AM
Jul 2014

I can guaran-goddamn-tee that when I run around without bra there is ZERO intention of attracting men in my mind or subconscious so fuck anybody who wants to lay down that subconscious bullshit apologia.

My clothing choices are about me, not about asshole voyeurs with entitlement complexes.

I *choose* who I wish to interact with, I am not a motherfucking trick pony or trained dog that responds to commands.

Jesus H Christ on a trailer hitch the stupid burns.




redqueen

(115,103 posts)
6. These men are seriously fucked up.
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 11:12 AM
Jul 2014

They are pornsick assholes who think of the women they target as sex objects.

I'm so fucking sick of hearing the poor, shy, lonely, nice men who just need to learn to talk to women! bullshit. Women are people. Anyone who doesn't know how to talk to women needs to stop trying to talk to them until they manage to grasp that simple fucking fact.

WatermelonRat

(340 posts)
15. Speaking as someone with social anxiety: Right on!
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 07:13 PM
Jul 2014

One of the common follies of shy young men is to think of "romantic interaction" as completely separate from "friendly interaction". They end up concentrating so much on the phantom "talking with women" that they neglect to develop the "talking with people" skills that might actually help them. And when they actually do manage to improve their general social skills, it doesn't carry over because they've convinced themselves that women are a different species requiring a different method of approach.

Having faced social struggles myself, I do empathize with them to some extent, but that just makes it more frustrating and cringe-inducing to watch.

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seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
16. damn straight. it is like texas cops sittin on the colorado border.
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 09:50 PM
Jul 2014

sit in hof and they come to you

to fuggin funny

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