Canadian Sgt@Arms was not carrying a gun

[jimmy the one]

Oct 23, 2014: (in honor ceremony at Canadian parliament): Later when the Canadian national anthem was sung, a tear could be seen on his cheek. Then, in a breach of precedent, the Prime Minister thanked him at the end of his speech, went over to him to thank him and then embraced the leaders of the two main opposition parties. Members once again applauded the man who had stood on guard for them.
... No doubt the NRA will attempt to show how this proves how the "good guy with a gun" was able to defeat the bad guy and therefore open carry is justified. In reality, when the incident started, Kevin Vickers was only armed with his ceremonial sword. He does not carry a gun in the normal course of his duties but keeps one in his office safely under lock and key:

Michael Zehaf-Bibeau ... shot a ceremonial guard at the National War Memorial then proceeded to the Parliament. There, Zehaf-Bibeau, armed with a .30-30 Winchester lever action rifle shot a security guard in the foot, and entered the Hall of Honor. It was in this area that Vickers, armed with a pistol retrieved from a lockbox, engaged Zehaf-Bibeau, killing him.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/10/23/1338619/-Kevin-Vickers-Was-Not-Carrying-A-Gun?detail=email#

This shows a dramatic difference between America with it's guns all the time mentality, & countries with saner gun policies.
Note the minimal damage, save the death, done by a lever action rifle. Imagine had he an ak47 or AR15 with a super 30 clip.

[GGJohn]

1. But he did engage and kill him did he not?

Wouldn't that make him a good guy with a gun who stopped a bad guy with a gun?

[ClassyCaptain]

2. It does indeed

[notrightatall]

5. As, indeed, it points to the benefit of that shooter not having access to

the types of firepower he would have been able to aquire at a U.S. " gun show", right?

[notrightatall]

3. Address the lever action -vs- AR15 with 30 round clip point.

That is the more relevant idea, here.

[GGJohn]

7. You are aware that Canada does allow that rifle and mag?

But, yes, one is more rapid fire than the other, but that doesn't mean the outcome would've been different.

[notrightatall]

12. Not that he could have purchased.

[GGJohn]

13. You're probably right.

IF I remember right, he was on a watch list? Which would negate his ability to get a license to purchase or possess that firearm, so, good point.

[jimmy the one]

9. speicous reasoning

ggjon: 1. But he did engage and kill him did he not? Wouldn't that make him a good guy with a gun who stopped a bad guy with a gun?

Specious reasoning, since gun control efforts would applaud the Canadian policy here, and even have applauded had the guard been carrying his pistol - since he was a guard.
He was a good guy who was not carrying a concealed pistol, who thwarted a bad guy after the fact of the murder.
His gun was in a lockbox in his 'home' at work, & proved efficacious enough.

[GGJohn]

10. That's a fair observation,

one which I would agree on.

[Aristus]

4. Forget it. It's going to go right over the empty heads of the

all-guns-all-the-time crowd.

I stand with you, and applaud the sentiment. But good sense and real-world evidence mean nothing to the gunners...

[notrightatall]

6. No, they "get it", they just don't care.

[jimmy the one]

8. disruption from the lunatic fringe

aristus: It's going to go right over the empty heads of the all-guns-all-the-time crowd.

Thanks, agree, looks like the board is becoming invaded by the gunnuts. I bet one or two is a far right republican intent on malicious disruption, just my humble opinion.

Rightwing cretinism is sometimes a hard thing to combat.

[Aristus]

11. No, there actually is a coordinated right-wing disruption effort here.

It's not just your imagination.

There's another website where they hang out. I don't think the DU rules permit me to mention the name. But they send disruptors over here all the time, almost always in the guise of concern trolls, and then go back to their home site and chortle over the messes they cause.

They've targeted me more than once by spreading misinformation about me and my practice as a Physician Assistant.

[Paladin]

14. There's nothing new about DU's invasion by pro-gun militants, j-t-o.

They've been present for many years, here. They operate with fewer constraints than they used to, which is genuinely unfortunate---I'm sure some of them may argue with this last observation, but it's the truth.