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RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
Fri May 1, 2015, 07:04 AM May 2015

"Can Sanders fill the Warren void?"

Can Sanders fill the Warren void?
CNN
5/1/2015

Washington (CNN)Bernie Sanders has a problem: He isn't Elizabeth Warren.

...Sanders, who is heading to New Hampshire for his first official campaign appearances on Saturday, wants to be that liberal option. His core positions -- breaking up Wall Street banks, making public college free, investing billions on infrastructure and guaranteeing health care for all -- are the same issues liberal groups have been championing for years. And his early campaign is starting to court organizers in key presidential states.

But as he settles into the Democratic presidential race, the response from some liberal groups and organizers has been markedly more focused on Warren, the middle-class champion and former Harvard professor, not Sanders, the Brooklyn-born, independent lawmaker with a gruff personality and an affinity for the moniker "democratic socialist."

Anna Galland, executive director of MoveOn.org Civic Action, welcomed Sanders into the race and touted his record on Wednesday before noting that the Vermont-based Move On and their allies would "continue to call on Sen. Elizabeth Warren to also bring her tireless advocacy for middle-class and working Americans to the race."

Democracy for America, another liberal group whose views track closely with Sanders, had a similar reaction.

Our "members are excited to have progressive champion Senator Bernie Sanders join the 2016 presidential race," said Charles Chamberlain, the group's executive director, before adding, "We continue to encourage Senator Elizabeth Warren to join the race for president."

..."I like his views, I like him a lot," said Timothy Horrigan, a liberal New Hampshire representative, before listing all the ways Bernie isn't Elizabeth.

"She is more plausible as a president," Horrigan said. "They have similar messages but they have different styles, and her style appeals to a lot of people. She is sort of like Hillary without all the baggage and just a stronger progressive message."

Many in the progressive movement are uncomfortable with questions about why they are supporting Warren over Sanders.
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http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/01/politics/bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-progressives/


*That last posted sentence, that would be me. I realize my still backing the effort to encourage Warren to change her mind and run for president puts me at odds with most of my fellow FDR Dem DUers.

I will support Bernie once the primaries begin, if Warren hasn't jumped in. But it will be with much less enthusiasm than it would be for Warren if she were running. And it is extremely uncomfortable.

The reason I still want Liz to run is spelled out in the following article. My apologizes to my friends here who will vigorously disagree~

...Yet they still long for Warren to enter the race. “We and our allies continue to call on Sen. Elizabeth Warren to also bring her tireless advocacy for middle-class and working Americans to the race,” Galland said. “Our country will be stronger if she runs.” Why do liberals still yearn for a Warren campaign, with Sanders in the game? Electability. The left doesn’t believe that Sanders can top Clinton, whereas Warren just might. “We need Senator Elizabeth Warren in the race to make sure we have a Democratic nominee who will lead these fights all the way to the White House,” said Ready for Warren’s Erica Sagrans. Sanders, by implication, is not that nominee.

That analysis is correct. Sanders doesn’t have Warren’s charisma or her fundraising base. The “Run Warren Run” Facebook page has ten times more likes than the “Ready for Bernie” page. Her national profile far exceeds his. Among the chattering classes, Warren would be a serious challenger to Clinton. Sanders isn’t.

But even in that best-case scenario, with labor groups supporting him over Clinton, Sanders has approximately no chance of winning. When I asked Ruy Teixeira, a Democratic strategist, whether that hypothetical could put Clinton’s nomination at stake, he responded, “An easy one: No.”

To be fair to Sanders, he’s not entering the race expecting a victory. Citing “confidants,” the Washington Post reported Tuesday that he was mostly entering the race to participate in the debates. Fair enough. Sanders, not one to pull punches, will certainly try to rough Clinton up in any debates. Maybe he can nudge her to the left, particularly on trade. If that happens, his presidential run will be a success.

For the thousands of liberals dreaming of a Warren presidency, simply pushing Clinton to the left isn’t enough. They want to win; Sanders can’t accomplish that. So the futile campaign to convince Warren to enter the race will continue.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/121674/liberals-want-elizabeth-warren-over-bernie-sanders-because-she-can-win


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Demeter

(85,373 posts)
1. Bernie can be the icebreaker for Elizabeth
Fri May 1, 2015, 07:34 AM
May 2015

He can ram through the principles of liberalism and socialism and good government. If Hillary does a pratfall, Elizabeth may then be coaxed in, for the good of the party and the nation.

Bernie's got some money, to start with. Elizabeth could raise money, she's done it before, but in the money race, she's far behind. But she could stand on Bernie's shoulders and reach the top.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
2. She would be far behind in the money race, true.
Fri May 1, 2015, 08:12 AM
May 2015

And the conventional wisdom is that she'll only enter the race if Hillary implodes.

It will be interesting to see what happens throughout the rest of the year. I sincerely hope it doesn't take Hillary's campaign to flame-out before she'd enter, because she could raise a LOT of money, but will raise more the sooner she starts.

Or she may not run no matter what.

All we can do is hope!

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
8. And don't forget, some time ago a group of millionaire Democrats were urging Elizabeth Warren to
Sat May 16, 2015, 03:11 PM
May 2015

run. They would back her. (If I remember correctly, it was an open letter).

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
10. Are you sure? There is also a well known group of millionaire Democrats by the name of
Mon May 18, 2015, 08:37 AM
May 2015

"The Patriotic Millionaires." There are about 200 members in this group at last count. They have
urged Pres. Obama to raise taxes on the wealthy -- something that he has yet to do. These people
think it is the patriotic duty of the rich to help their country, and not take advantage of it. I don't
think Hillary Clinton would do something like this - and of her own free will. Do you?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
11. I could be conflating. There was a story this year about a memo by
Mon May 18, 2015, 08:45 AM
May 2015

influential Democrats who wanted Warren to run in the primary. The idea was that she would lose to Hillary, but make Hillary a stronger candidate. Also help dispel the idea that the fix was in for Hillary.

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
13. Yes, that is possible. About Elizabeth Warren, from watching her these last years, I can't help but
Mon May 18, 2015, 10:00 AM
May 2015

come to the conclusion that she is, indeed, an unusually decent human being. And she wants to
help bring back this nation to its former greatness again. This is something that is rather rare
among politicians. That is what makes her so attractive in the eyes of many people - regardless
of party affiliation. Bernie Sanders is the same way, but he doesn't have that something extra
that she does. I'm for him, too.

I definitely would vote for Hillary Clinton against any Republican, should she win the Democratic
nomination.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
3. I hope to see both out there on the campaign trail.
Fri May 1, 2015, 08:22 AM
May 2015

If Warren isn't running for President, then I expect to see her stumping for Bernie addressing Wall Street/Main Street issues (which she is an expert on) from the Populist side. Move On and DFA could throw their support behind Bernie later on. There's no need now for them to drop Elizabeth and declare for Bernie. We need both voices speaking out against failed policies and working towards a new Populist future for the Democratic Party. Now that Bernie has announced he can chart his own way with funding and it may actually be better for him not to have automatic support from Move on and DFA at this point in time if he is to attract a broader group of voters and show the Republican Clown Car up for what they are by focusing on issues they refuse to address.

Warren's weakness is Foreign Policy. That's going to be an issue that needs to be front and center in the 2016 Election. If we can't get our Foreign Policy in hand we won't have money for anything for the working people. We've spent too much in growing our vast Military Industrial Complex and caused chaos, death and destruction in MENA that will haunt us for decades. Bernie has an advantage with his experience in State Government and the Senate. Warren doesn't have the foreign policy experience and connections that Bernie has which is his advantage.

I support both of them...however it plays out.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
4. Sanders also tops Warren on environmental issues.
Fri May 1, 2015, 09:00 AM
May 2015

Senators Like Elizabeth Warren Aren’t Leading On Climate Change, Report Says
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/04/30/3653132/climate-hawk-report-114-congress/

But like it says above in the OP, its about electability. To me anyways. I truly believe Warren could win the primary & the GE.

And I think she'd be better for the environment than HRC & certainly any repub.

Both voices, Sanders & Warren, would be utterly fantastic to get the Populist Movement really going, though, I agree. And though the media is feeding the terrorist fears & support for the Wars for Profit in the ME, I think its grossly underestimated how many Americans are SICK of the fighting, the deaths, & the Billion$ we spend overseas on wars while the country is falling apart.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
7. Bernie said he was waiting to see if Elizabeth was running.
Sat May 9, 2015, 02:26 PM
May 2015

When he finally announced his candidacy, it signaled at least to me that Elizabeth was not going to run. Although she was my first choice, her voice in the discussion is HUGE and really makes Wall Street shudder. Glad to have her in any capacity. It was an easy transition to Bernie and I'm glad we have a viable choice.

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