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Sat Nov 15, 2014, 08:11 PM

I think the name that most efficiently sends the message is simply

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"The Demcoratic Wing of the Democratic Party," shortened to the Democratic Wing.

But hey, I'm a Unitarian. If someone else wants another name, I'm OK with that too.

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Reply I think the name that most efficiently sends the message is simply (Original post)
Jackpine Radical Nov 2014 OP
djean111 Nov 2014 #1
VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #2
bravenak Nov 2014 #3
VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #4
bravenak Nov 2014 #6
VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #8
bravenak Nov 2014 #10
pangaia Nov 2014 #16
bravenak Nov 2014 #18
VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #32
djean111 Nov 2014 #19
think Nov 2014 #26
Alittleliberal Nov 2014 #30
VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #38
Alittleliberal Nov 2014 #48
sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #37
VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #40
sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #41
VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #42
sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #63
VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #64
demwing Nov 2014 #65
sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #67
Alittleliberal Nov 2014 #70
rhett o rick Nov 2014 #71
JimDandy Nov 2014 #55
Scuba Nov 2014 #49
grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #59
bravenak Nov 2014 #5
JEFF9K Nov 2014 #7
F4lconF16 Nov 2014 #9
Autumn Nov 2014 #11
Kalidurga Nov 2014 #12
Autumn Nov 2014 #13
Kalidurga Nov 2014 #15
L0oniX Nov 2014 #14
pangaia Nov 2014 #17
JimDandy Nov 2014 #20
Jackpine Radical Nov 2014 #21
calimary Nov 2014 #29
Jackpine Radical Nov 2014 #34
calimary Nov 2014 #52
appalachiablue Nov 2014 #60
calimary Nov 2014 #62
JimDandy Nov 2014 #54
calimary Nov 2014 #61
ozone_man Nov 2014 #31
ozone_man Nov 2014 #33
Scuba Nov 2014 #51
demwing Nov 2014 #22
yallerdawg Nov 2014 #23
femmocrat Nov 2014 #24
ReRe Nov 2014 #25
Voice for Peace Nov 2014 #27
Jackpine Radical Nov 2014 #35
Voice for Peace Nov 2014 #45
Jackpine Radical Nov 2014 #46
sheelz Nov 2014 #28
Half-Century Man Nov 2014 #36
sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #39
EEO Nov 2014 #43
Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #44
Jackpine Radical Nov 2014 #47
Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #56
Jackpine Radical Nov 2014 #57
Scuba Nov 2014 #50
Kermitt Gribble Nov 2014 #53
grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #58
LeftInTX Nov 2014 #66
Segami Nov 2014 #68
Vincardog Nov 2014 #69
EEO Nov 2014 #72

Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Sat Nov 15, 2014, 08:14 PM

1. Oh, I like that!

 

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Sat Nov 15, 2014, 08:19 PM

2. Oh so now the Independents are taking over the Democratic Party?

 

why not start your own....if your platform is soooooo much better!

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 15, 2014, 08:20 PM

3. Do you think it is at all possible for you to calm down?

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 15, 2014, 08:20 PM

4. No I don't....

 

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 15, 2014, 08:21 PM

6. I wish you would.

 




I don't want you to end up being blocked for acting out of pocket.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 15, 2014, 08:22 PM

8. well as my grandmother used to say...

 

wish in one hand......you know what in the other...

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #8)

Sat Nov 15, 2014, 08:24 PM

10. Sigh.

 

Fine with me then. Enjoy trying to start fights with anyone who is not exactly what you think they should be, and attacking whomever. It's been real, though.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 15, 2014, 08:46 PM

16. No, unfortunately, it's not.

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Response to pangaia (Reply #16)

Sat Nov 15, 2014, 08:49 PM

18. I should have known.

 

But I was hopeful that by asking nicely....

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Response to pangaia (Reply #16)

Sat Nov 15, 2014, 11:05 PM

32. and I said as much....before you even burst into the scene...

 

you are soooo Johnny On The Spot!

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 15, 2014, 08:51 PM

19. Posts in GD are fair game for your constant attacks, but posts in this group

 

are for members of this group. Just like the BOG and HRC groups. I am starting to associate Hillary with rudeness.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 15, 2014, 10:43 PM

26. Welcome to the Populist Reform of the Democratic Party group

 

I look forward to your positive input.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 15, 2014, 11:03 PM

30. So when we do the thing that you always tell us dirty commie leftists to do

Make steps to get more liberal candidates elected through the primaries. That somehow makes us Independents? Your vitriol is telling.

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Response to Alittleliberal (Reply #30)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 01:16 AM

38. did I use the term "dirty commie"?

 

I don't think that I did....

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #38)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 09:59 AM

48. No I did!

But way to take take 2 words I used and ignore the rest of the post.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 01:14 AM

37. Do you mean the Independents who left the Party after it was taken over by

The Third Way?

I HOPE SO!! We need them back in the Party.

Did you know that only 32% of voters now register as Democrats? See the harm done to our party by the Third Way?

My hope is that we can bring them back and get this party back to representing the people.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #37)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 01:16 AM

40. then why not start their own party?

 

since they "already left" and all....

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #40)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 01:36 AM

41. Why? WE are inviting them back. It is OUR Party, it does NOT belong to the Corporate

entities who are so desperate to control both parties.

Here's a suggestion, let the Third Way go back to their own party. What ARE they doing in ours, they have a Party, it's called the Republican Party whose ideals are much more in line with theirs.

There is only one reason why they are in our party, and that is to take it over.

We went along, to our discredit, with their bullying and garbage, and watched as they lost voters, lost elections and destroyed the working class with their right wing policies.

But all over the country, Democrats are no longer willing to play their 'lesser evil' game.

I am truly excited about the future of our Party now that the Third Way has totally lost control of the base.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #41)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 01:37 AM

42. You're not committed to voting for the winner of the Democratic Primary ELECTION!

 

so its not YOUR party anymore.....You are an Independent now...

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #42)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:10 PM

63. Anyone who is committed to voting for Republican Lite, is not a Democrat. That would not be me

because I am a Democrat and will only support Democrats for elected office.

And I am hoping we can get back the votes and voters lost by the Third Way/Republican Lite can be brought back to help us replace Republican Lite with actual Liberal Democrats and restore this party to its proper role, fighting for the PEOPLE.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #63)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 02:33 PM

64. you dont get to decide who isnt a Democrat..

 

You are not one....thats the price you pay for it.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #64)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 03:11 PM

65. I asked you to not be disruptive

 

I told you you were welcome to post as long as you could follow the SOP and the ground rules:

Statement of Purpose

To discuss and debate issues, candidates, and strategies related to the promotion of progressive, populist reforms within the Democratic Party.

SOME GROUND RULES:

The PRG is a safe house for DUers interested in the progressive, populist reform of our Democratic party.
If you disagree with PRG's message or goal, that's OK. Find a group that fits, or enjoy the DU forums.
Everyone starts out as welcomed. No one earns their way in - only their way out.
Follow all DU rules. Don't put the group at risk


By consensus of the PRG Hosts, your posting privileges have been revoked for 30 days.

After the 30 days, you can come back for a second try to be productive. Fair warning - there won't be a third opportunity to disrupt.

Thanks!

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #64)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 03:51 PM

67. The irony. It appears you think you get to decide who is a Democrat.

You don't.

You are in a Progressive Democratic Group, not in GD.

I decide my party affiliation and have no intentions of leaving MY PARTY,

I intend to work to get rid of the Third Way influences and to roll back the disastrous policies they have managed to put in place over the past few decades.

That is what this group is about. If you have something to offer to explain why the Dem Party should continue on its disastrous and losing path to the Right, feel free to post it respectfully.



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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #67)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 07:30 PM

70. +1

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #67)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 09:17 PM

71. Thank you sabrina. nm

 

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #41)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 12:12 PM

55. Well said! n/t

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 10:17 AM

49. Why are you on this forum?

 

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 12:49 PM

59. Hey! Find your own party that reflects your ideology;)

 

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Sat Nov 15, 2014, 08:20 PM

5. I like it.

 

I lack imagination and it's easy to remember.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Sat Nov 15, 2014, 08:21 PM

7. Both are good.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Sat Nov 15, 2014, 08:24 PM

9. My main issue with this, though I like the sound of "The Democratic Wing",

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Is that I don't think it will resonate with voters particularly well. "Democrat" and "Democratic" are unpopular titles today, and emphasizing that won't necessarily help much.

Compare that to "FDR Democrat" or "Roosevelt Democrat", which has a huge sense of history behind it, and also brings to mind one of the most popular liberal presidents of all time. I think it would really help bring on board most of mainstream liberalism that doesn't identify with the current Democratic Party. That title not only re-popularizes the term Democrat, but also liberalism in general, whereas "the Democratic Wing" sounds to me too close to just "the Democrats".

Edit: Saw this downthread and loved it: "FDR Democrats are the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party"

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Sat Nov 15, 2014, 08:31 PM

11. That's a wonderful name and memory. I miss Wellstone.

It's almost unbearable to remember what we lost.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #11)

Sat Nov 15, 2014, 08:35 PM

12. I was at work when I heard about the crash

and I was just thinking about how I was going to be voting for him very shortly. It was very hard to get through my work day.

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #12)

Sat Nov 15, 2014, 08:41 PM

13. I think that things could be so different if we still had him.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 15, 2014, 08:43 PM

15. I am pretty sure that things would be different

It's hard to say in what ways. But, the keystone pipeline I think is an issue he would have been very vocal about. He did a lot for people in domestic violence situations too. And he cared a lot about the immigration issues. He helped a few get through the paperwork to become citizens. I miss the green bus.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Sat Nov 15, 2014, 08:42 PM

14. I'd rather rename the others. Corporatist, Centrist, Rino.

 

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Sat Nov 15, 2014, 08:48 PM

17. ACTUALLY, I think you've got it. And don't even know it....

The Unitarian Party !!!

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Sat Nov 15, 2014, 09:09 PM

20. FDR Democrats are the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party...

There. That works for me!

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Response to JimDandy (Reply #20)

Sat Nov 15, 2014, 09:10 PM

21. Yes, exactly.

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Response to JimDandy (Reply #20)

Sat Nov 15, 2014, 10:56 PM

29. Wasn't that one of Howard Dean's slogans, too?

As well as Paul Wellstone's? I think it's worth cranking up again! Let's push it as a meme, and start framing a new message and a new talking point!

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Response to calimary (Reply #29)

Sat Nov 15, 2014, 11:21 PM

34. Dean used it a lot but I think credited Wellstone for it.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #34)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 11:10 AM

52. Indeed - I think that's exactly it.

Well, just as the Good Doctor did, I think it's worth hauling back out, again. And reinvigorating as a meme. Especially since we have a budding presidential candidacy that needs to see this developing.

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Response to calimary (Reply #52)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 01:23 PM

60. Hi calimary. I'm ok with 'Dem. Wing' but really prefer 'FDR Dems.' evokes the greatness of that time

Speaking of FDR, there's a post running on GD, 11/15/14, *'FDR Too Radical for Today's Dem. Party'. After great moral raising comments, a STINK BOMB came in, one I've noticed before, with total slams on FDR Re blacks, 'lynching support' etc. Stuff that's factual but absent critical context & many difficult circumstances of the times. Of course no mention of how FDR saved capitalism, even had support from some on WS to reform the ffing Banks. Blacks left the GOP for Dem. Party in historic numbers in his 2nd admin., Jews from Europe were denied entry due to rotten immigration laws since the 1920s, etc.
Remarks are purely one sided, damning & damaging esp. to new & younger viewers IMO.
I almost exploded!, wanted to counter but noticed there were no direct replies. Point being, can anyone confirm this STINKER and is it best to not respond, get pulled in to the flaming? Thanks. Be well.

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Response to appalachiablue (Reply #60)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 01:52 PM

62. I'll have to go look. But actually I do like the "FDR Dems" too.

Because we have to get back to that. To THAT! THAT mentality, THAT reality, THAT urgency, THAT resolve, THAT MISSION!!!!!

I think we all need to remember that this hew and cry that's developed from the Dark Side since the Powell Memo and the 30+ years the bad guys have worked and built and strategized to take our country back (and backward) for themselves is a revolt against the New Deal. FDR's New Deal. They're the same ones who insist that ronald reagan should rank first on the list of greatest president of the 20th Century - replacing and helping everyone to forget the TRUE All-Time GREATEST President, Franklin Roosevelt. Indeed, I think ronald reagan is their Bizarro FDR if you want. The Upside-Down FDR. The Reverse FDR. The FDR-from-Hell.

Because they hate government, and they hate helping people, and they hate the whole idea of government helping people. And I think we need to remind everyone and anyone of that, BIG-TIME. Particularly since that's EXACTLY what the bad guys very much WANT us to forget.

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Response to calimary (Reply #29)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 12:06 PM

54. If Wellstone used it, then I like it even more! n/t

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Response to JimDandy (Reply #54)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 01:46 PM

61. And all the more reason for US to use it, and use it a LOT.

RUB IT IN THEIR FACES. In the faces of OUR guys as well as the bad guys.

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Response to JimDandy (Reply #20)

Sat Nov 15, 2014, 11:06 PM

33. That's my wing.

You could call it the FDR wing, the Dean wing, the Democratic wing.

Well, I suppose I could call it the Warren wing, or the Bernie wing too.

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Response to JimDandy (Reply #20)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 10:20 AM

51. I like!

 

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Sat Nov 15, 2014, 09:43 PM

22. Hmmm...not sure about that name....

 

just doesn't resonate with me for some reason

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Sat Nov 15, 2014, 09:46 PM

23. I like simple, but...

consider, down South when you mention Wing, we think chicken! Hot and spicy!

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Sat Nov 15, 2014, 10:10 PM

24. I like that one!

Easy to remember and recalls Howard Dean who created the democratic "revival" of 1994.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Sat Nov 15, 2014, 10:39 PM

25. 100%

I like it. It's perfect!

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Sat Nov 15, 2014, 10:48 PM

27. Is that a typo or did you intend to type Demcoratic?

 

it's not a word with which I am familiar.

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Response to Voice for Peace (Reply #27)

Sat Nov 15, 2014, 11:23 PM

35. I wanted to leave something for the pedants to obsess about.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #35)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 07:09 AM

45. dammit.

 

I thought you had a brilliant new word.

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Response to Voice for Peace (Reply #45)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 09:51 AM

46. No, just disobedient fingers.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Sat Nov 15, 2014, 10:50 PM

28. public option

w w i i n n g

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 12:57 AM

36. Works for me.

Although it does leave us open for "wing nut" comments. Just respond with" I'm not a nut, I'm a wing fanatic".

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 01:16 AM

39. I like that! n/t

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 01:42 AM

43. I still like Roosevelt Party, but...

regardless of the name, we need to be the Party of Social Responsibility. And we need to come up with a curriculum and create PSAs for our fellow Americans in order to educate them so they can vote responsibly. They need to know everything from Social Security is solvent to we want Universal Healthcare (spelling out what that is), and "Obamacare" was a conservative think tank idea that does not go far enough because it leaves people without healthcare.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 04:48 AM

44. If, as I hope, we combine with other similar groups,

 

we may get absorbed under another name.

Isn't Democratic Wing the handle of demwing, here?

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #44)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 09:53 AM

47. I think demwing's handle may have inspired me.

And yes, it's absolutely essential that we form links of some kind with fellow-traveler groups.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #47)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 12:41 PM

56. I posted a thread on calling for an organizing committee....

 



Unfortunately, it hasn't fired off yet. Maybe it's radioactive.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #56)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 12:42 PM

57. Aaaaack!

You said "Organize!"

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 10:19 AM

50. I like it. Yes, neocons have made "Democratic" toxic, but we need to take our name back, not ...

 

... just give them another name to turn into a slur.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 11:33 AM

53. I like "The Roosevelt Party" as EEO suggests.

The Democratic Party was defined by the New Deal for decades and saw great success, due to a thriving middle/working class. The decline of the Party started when the DLC abandoned New Deal.

I also think the Second Bill of Rights could be used as a guide for the entire movement.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 12:47 PM

58. I'll take it! Though I like 'Social Democrat" as well.

 

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 03:22 PM

66. I'm thinking Roosevelt wing or something with FDR in it

At first glance I was lukewarm about having the name Roosevelt because I personally prefer to associate with policies and not a person BUT I think the name Roosevelt/FDR etc is easy/catchy

Although I could say I support New Deal policies I think Roosevelt Dem is catchier.

I'm looking at it from a "marketing strategy".

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 03:58 PM

68. Here are few names I jotted down..

 

My list:


Democratic United Party - DUP

United Party of Democrats - UPD

United Democratic Party - UDP

Representative Democracy Party - RDP

Democratic Majority Party - DMP

Democratic Majority Caucus - DMC

Democratic Majority Caucus Party - DMCP

Progressive Democratic Majority - PDM

Progressive Democratic Majority Caucus - PDMC

Democratic Union Party - DUP

Democratic Counsel Party - DCP

United Democratic Counsel Party - UDCP

Equal Democracy Party - EDP

Democratic Assembly Party - DAP

Progressive Democratic Assembly Party - PDAP

Progressive Democratic Assembly Caucus - PDAC

Democratic United Assembly Party - DUAP

United Assembly of Democrats Party - UADP

Reform Assembly of Democrats Party - RADP

Reform Democratic Party - RDP

Progressive Democratic Reform Party - PDRP

Progressive Reform Caucus - PRC

Democratic Network Party - DNP

Progressive Reformist Party

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 06:38 PM

69. I agree with The Democratic Wing

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Sun Nov 16, 2014, 11:41 PM

72. Thread Locked

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