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Tue Mar 31, 2015, 09:38 PM

I really think Democrats are starting to wake up

A few weeks ago I mentioned a couple of long-time DFL activists who, while once Clinton supporters, are now hoping for a Warren or Sanders run.

Last week I was at dinner with some other long time DFLers. One of those present is really the definition of a party hack - she's held public office, both elected and appointed, DNC type, managed to be a delegate to a couple national conventions. She really was the very definition of a moderate Democrat. She is now in her 80s.

Midway through dinner, she says to me, "You know, I miss Wellstone more the longer he's gone." (Well, most of us do so that's not a big surprise - but she wasn't his biggest supporter when he first ran.) Then she added, "And I know you and I argued when Franken ran and I was sure he'd be a disaster but I'll admit I was wrong and I like him more everyday." (!)

So, knowing she had been a big Klobuchar booster, I did say, "What about Amy?" (we in Minnesota always call our politicians by their first names - even to their faces - because we're just all so damn friendly). And she said "Don't mention that woman's name to me."

And she also prefers Warren to Clinton.

I'm teliing ya, the tide is turning.

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Reply I really think Democrats are starting to wake up (Original post)
dflprincess Mar 2015 OP
PrefersaPension Mar 2015 #1
dflprincess Mar 2015 #2
Maedhros Mar 2015 #3
MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #4
Scuba Apr 2015 #6
A Simple Game Apr 2015 #8
Doctor_J Apr 2015 #14
Enthusiast Apr 2015 #9
Maedhros Apr 2015 #13
Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #5
Enthusiast Apr 2015 #7
Gothmog Apr 2015 #10
djean111 Apr 2015 #11
rhett o rick Apr 2015 #12

Response to dflprincess (Original post)

Tue Mar 31, 2015, 09:54 PM

1. You have a great Governor!

 

Love Gov Dayton -- used to shop at the family store in downtown Mpls. MN stands proud again!!!

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Response to PrefersaPension (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 31, 2015, 10:03 PM

2. We do have a great governor

and, let's not forget, that during his first 2 years in office the Republicans controlled both houses of the legislature. He was the only one who stood between us and the barbarians.

Of course, it was their attempts at overreach (voter ID and anti-same sex marriage amendments) that resulted in the DFL taking over both houses in 2012 (and defeating both the amendments at the polls that November). Sadly, low voter turnout in 2014 resulted in the Republicans getting control of the House - while returning Dayton and Franken to office (go figure). We can only hope Minnesota voters have learned a lesson about showing up.

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Response to dflprincess (Original post)

Tue Mar 31, 2015, 10:10 PM

3. This is why there is such a concerted effort to convince Democrats

 

that Hillary is the only choice.

Some "Democrats" don't want the rest to wake up...

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #3)

Tue Mar 31, 2015, 10:23 PM

4. Don't you think that Warren can do more in the Senate than as President?

 

And that she knows she doesn't have the temperment to be President, and would be happier in SCOTUS?

And...

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #4)

Wed Apr 1, 2015, 05:54 AM

6. Snort!

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #4)

Wed Apr 1, 2015, 07:25 AM

8. Why yes Manny your logic is infallible. But why stop there?

If she can do more as a Senator than as a President, just think how much more she could do as a private citizen than as a Senator!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #4)

Wed Apr 1, 2015, 06:15 PM

14. That has to be the dumbest meme going

 

Since the democratic Senate (59 of them) couldn't accomplish anything in 2009-2010, having her as one among 45 is worth almost nothing.

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 1, 2015, 07:27 AM

9. Some "Democrats" are singing a lullaby.

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #9)

Wed Apr 1, 2015, 12:49 PM

13. Some are outright dosing us with Ambien. [n/t]

 

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Response to dflprincess (Original post)

Tue Mar 31, 2015, 10:34 PM

5. The Clinton inevitability meme is failing even faster than 2007/8

 

Check out this Quinnipiac poll just released today. Hillary is losing to Rand Paul of all people, in Pennsylvania! Numbers elsewhere are collapsing as well. Those big leads over prospective GOP challengers? Going, going...

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/2016-presidential-swing-state-polls/release-detail?ReleaseID=2180

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Response to dflprincess (Original post)

Wed Apr 1, 2015, 07:23 AM

7. Let us hope you are right.

Because if the party doesn't move rapidly to the left, not only on social issues, but on financial issues, 2016 is going to be a disaster of historical proportions

First of all we must acknowledge that there are office holders and activists that call themselves Democrats that are, in reality, working for the other side with the objective of dividing the party and damaging our electoral hopes. They are clandestine Republicans. Acknowledge this first. Weed them out! Their pet issues include free trade, Chained CPI, privatizing education, raising the retirement age and other issues that will undermine the traditional strengths of the Democratic Party. These DINOs even promote trickle down concepts. They wouldn't utter a peep about raising taxes on the wealthy or corporations—exactly what the American people want to hear and what will generate voter enthusiasm.

Remember, leading to the 2008 election candidate Obama's central campaign theme was doing away with the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy. This was correctly understood by the Obama team to be wildly popular with the electorate. It worked!

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Response to dflprincess (Original post)

Wed Apr 1, 2015, 08:03 AM

10. I hope that you are correct

Democrats need to wake up and be more active

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Response to dflprincess (Original post)

Wed Apr 1, 2015, 08:52 AM

11. What is strange is that it looks like Hillary supporters keep posting the "Warren says she will

 

not run" stuff", as if they honestly expect that Warren supporters will all just sigh and send in for their Hillary bumper stickers. It is as if they cannot imagine support for ideals and policies instead of support for a personality, a familiar name, and a shitload of money. Kind of sad, really, for the Democratic Party. But illustrative of Third Way thinking.

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Response to dflprincess (Original post)

Wed Apr 1, 2015, 10:18 AM

12. The point here is that the Populist Movement knows that HRC isn't the one to carry

 

the Movement forward. HRC is a savvy politician but we desperately need change. We can't survive the continued transfer of wealth from the middle and lower classes to the wealthy. Our liberty goes with that wealth.

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