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Thu Apr 2, 2015, 05:36 PM

Something to read and ponder

After so many online encounters with rabid right-wingers, I decided to reread William L. Shirer's The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, and even though I'm less than 1/4 of the way through, I highly recommend it as food for thought.

Shirer, who lived in Berlin as a news correspondent during much of the time he describes, shows that after World War I, there were several Leftist groups vying for power, and some of them even succeeded in seizing control of various cities for a time, sort of like Occupy on steroids. Yet it was the Nazis who ended up running the country.

Germany's working class was demoralized by World War I and in dire straits economically, so the leftist parties had a lot of appeal. However, the Allies' harsh terms for an armistice gave rise to the feeling that the Socialists, who ended up in power almost by accident, had "sold out" the country and "stabbed it in the back." (Does anyone remember that phrase from the post-Vietnam era?)

So far, it seems that the Nazis were able to tap into not only ordinary people's desire for a better life but also their disbelief that Germany could have actually lost World War I without being "stabbed in the back" and their latent anti-Semitism. Furthermore, the industrialists and the military tended to back the Nazis, with the wealthy sending them money and the military and police looking the other way when their goon squads busted up opponents.

As the saying goes, "History doesn't repeat itself, but sometimes it rhymes."

I think it's worth thinking about why people vote against their best interests and what those on the Left can do to overcome those tendencies without resorting to counter-productive snark.

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Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2015 OP
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Response to Lydia Leftcoast (Original post)

Thu Apr 2, 2015, 05:49 PM

1. We are right there, Lydia.

I think it will be easier here than it was in Germany. Germany didn't have an ignorance celebrating rural right that believes anything they're told. And they also didn't have a huge privately owned arsenal in the hands of the most reactionary ignorant right wing on earth.

The only thing preventing this is an educated outspoken left.

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Thu Apr 2, 2015, 05:54 PM

2. ^^THIS^^^ +1!

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Sat Apr 4, 2015, 02:55 PM

3. Nationalism and Propaganda are the main tools that cause people to vote against their

own interests.

That is why the Bush gang chose 'Patriotic, jingoistic terminology for their 'National Security Policies', eg, 'Homeland Security' and 'The Patriot Act'. And their never-ending use of words like 'Freedom' and 'Liberty' plus the deification of all things Military.

Add that to the FEAR that was deliberately implanted in the population, 'they're coming for our Freedoms' after 9/11 and the collaboration of the 'news' media and the rest was easy.

Critical thinkers of course saw that it was not the 'terrorists' who were taking away our 'freedoms'.

But how many of them were allowed to speak without, the other tool of those who want to control the population, 'smear campaigns' bought and paid for, being launched against them?

See Dennis Kucinich eg.

Two decades of Fox War Propaganda and fear mongering has produced a cult-like audience whose minds have been so hi-jacked, attempting to talk to them rationally, is like trying to reach the minds of people in some of the most controlling cults.

How to change that is to have a free and open press.

But how to do it, is another matter. The press in this country is among the most controlled in the civilized world now.

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