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Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:38 PM

 

Vice President Clinton?

or VP Sanders?

It's very likely that one of these two candidates will win the Dem nomination (no offense to O'Malley...the only other candidate with even the slightest of chances). When that time comes, the party will have to turn it's united focus on the Clown Car.

In 2008, the "Party Unity My Ass" call rang out from Hillary's camp. Will that happen again?

I recently saw an OP discussing an interview where Bernie shared some ideas about possible Cabinet Posts in his administration.

Let's speculate about the VP spot.

My questions -

1. To Sanders voters who have declared they'd never vote for Hillary, would that pledge change with a Sanders/Clinton ticket?

2. To Hillary supporters - Considering the respectful way Bernie has run his campaign, are you open to a Hillary/Sanders ticket?

Let's assume, for the sake of the question, that either candidate would offer, or accept such an offer.



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Reply Vice President Clinton? (Original post)
demwing Jul 2015 OP
PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #1
demwing Jul 2015 #18
merrily Jul 2015 #28
monmouth4 Jul 2015 #2
demwing Jul 2015 #6
No Vested Interest Jul 2015 #3
Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #4
demwing Jul 2015 #9
marym625 Jul 2015 #14
merrily Jul 2015 #26
nxylas Jul 2015 #5
merrily Jul 2015 #25
gwheezie Jul 2015 #7
demwing Jul 2015 #10
MuseRider Jul 2015 #8
HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #11
SheilaT Jul 2015 #12
marym625 Jul 2015 #13
merrily Jul 2015 #24
rbnyc Jul 2015 #15
Enthusiast Jul 2015 #16
demwing Jul 2015 #17
Jim Lane Jul 2015 #19
Chan790 Jul 2015 #20
merrily Jul 2015 #23
HappyPlace Jul 2015 #35
merrily Jul 2015 #21
whereisjustice Jul 2015 #22
SamKnause Jul 2015 #27
Android3.14 Jul 2015 #29
merrily Jul 2015 #30
Android3.14 Jul 2015 #31
merrily Jul 2015 #32
demwing Jul 2015 #33
Android3.14 Jul 2015 #34

Response to demwing (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:40 PM

1. I don't see VP Sanders. He's more effective in the Senate and I think would remain there. n/t

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #1)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 04:05 PM

18. In fairness, others would say the same about Clinton

 

though the "there" she should stay doesn't have much to do with the Senate.

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:20 AM

28. That's what Hillary's supporters said about Warren as well.

IMO, the reality is that they don't want Sanders or Warren as President, even if both were to retire from the Senate tomorrow.

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Response to demwing (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:42 PM

2. The only way I would want HRC in the White House would be as a guest....n/t

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Response to monmouth4 (Reply #2)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:49 PM

6. I feel ya

 

but realistically? If fate conspired, and Bernie asked Hillary to be the VP, it wouldn't affect my vote for him one tiny little bit

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Response to demwing (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:44 PM

3. I'll be voting the Democratic ticket no matter who's at the top

and who's the VP candidate.
Could never vote Republican after what they've done to our nation.

I'm presently undeclared as to a favorite.
All have pluses and minuses.

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Response to demwing (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:45 PM

4. I simply can't see a ticket with both of them on it, either way round.

If either of them felt the other was going to do a good job as President, they wouldn't be running.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #4)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:15 PM

9. I can see it

 

I can also see either asking O'Malley.

Just because each thinks they would be the superior candidate, does not imply that either thinks the other to be unqualified.

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Response to demwing (Reply #9)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:31 PM

14. Sanders won't pick O'Malley

Not that he wouldn't do well, but a Sanders/O'Malley ticket wouldn't be a good mix.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #4)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:17 AM

26. Obama ran against Hillary and he seems to think she will make a fine President.

I don't think Hillary would drop out even if she thought Bernie would be as good as all the four Presidents carved into stone on that mountain combined. She wants it for herself, period.

I don't think Bernie thinks Hillary will make a great President, though.

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Response to demwing (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:45 PM

5. I could see Sanders offering Clinton the VP slot

It's traditional for a candidate to choose a VP whose strengths compliment the presidential candidate's main weaknesses. Bernie's main weakness is probably lack of foreign policy experience, so a former secretary of state would make sense.

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Response to nxylas (Reply #5)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:14 AM

25. Bernie voted against the Iraq War. Hillary advocated for it. I prefer his foreign policy to hers.

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Response to demwing (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:56 PM

7. I am voting for the dem ticket in 16

If the loser spun off to run as a 3rd party I would still vote for the dem ticket even if the loser was my pick.
I don't like a Clinton/Sanders ticket or vice versa. I would like the VP pick to be someone who will run after a 2 term president.

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Response to gwheezie (Reply #7)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:19 PM

10. Doesn't always happen

 

Biden doesn't seem to be running. Cheney didn't run (thank god). I'm not sure the VP slot id a door to the White House anymore.

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Response to demwing (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 02:56 PM

8. I simply do not think

we would ever see this happen.

He may respect her and he may like her but trust her?

I can't see him leaving the senate for a spot where he has to do what she says for him to do. Can you? I can't see her being any advantage at all to him. He is running against everything she says she does not believe in but is. She IS what he is running against.

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Response to demwing (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:24 PM

11. No!

 

I don't think either will pick the other.

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Response to demwing (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:27 PM

12. I likewise cannot imagine

 

either one picking the other as VP.

My prediction is that the eventual VP choice will be someone not currently running. And no, not Joe Biden either.

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Response to demwing (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:29 PM

13. Never going to happen

Sorry. I don't think it's even an option for either candidate.

I think when Sanders gets the nomination, Barbara Lee would be his choice for the VP spot.

I think that Clinton is looking at Kerry or O'Malley.

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Response to marym625 (Reply #13)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:11 AM

24. Hillary is likely to choose Castro (the one in HUD, not the one in Cuba).

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Response to demwing (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:57 PM

15. oh god please neither.

I don't want a neutered Sanders in a corporate white house as a token. And I don't want a third way dem as VP.

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Response to demwing (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 04:02 PM

16. No, thanks.

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Response to demwing (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 04:02 PM

17. So, Bernie supporters are pretty clear here

 

Essentially: "NFW Hillary gets that close to the White House."

Hillary supporters are either fine with the pairing, or don't follow this group.

Can't imagine why

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Response to demwing (Original post)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 09:31 PM

19. Our nominees won't both be from that age bracket.

 

Hillary, if elected, would be (at first inauguration) the second-oldest President ever, younger than Reagan by less than a year. Bernie is several years older than Hillary.

Either one, as the nominee, will face some concern (real or feigned) about the age issue. Either one, as the nominee, will therefore pick a running mate who is considerably younger, probably someone in his or her fifties (like O'Malley but there are many other possibilities) or near there, i.e., late forties (e.g., one of the Castro brothers) or early sixties (e.g., Sherrod Brown).

You can decry ageism all you want, but enough voters would feel that concern to make Clinton/Sanders or Sanders/Clinton a bad idea.

If by "Clinton" you meant Chelsea, she's probably too young, even though she reached the Constitutional minimum age a few months ago.

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Response to demwing (Original post)

Sun Jul 12, 2015, 08:17 AM

20. No to VP Clinton.

 

I could see her using the office to attempt to undermine President Sanders and thwart a populist, progressive revolution in the Democratic party that threatens her paymasters.

Also, there's the "I honestly believe that Hillary Clinton is every bit as evil and a poor choice for President as Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz or Jeb!" thing.

Literally, the only person that the GOP could nominate that might motivate me to cast a vote for Hillary rather than stay home is Donald Trump. All other circumstances, I'd pay to see her forced off the world stage into (involuntary) retirement. I only vote for real Democrats. If I don't have a real Democrat to vote for, I vote for the most liberal choice I have.

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Response to Chan790 (Reply #20)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:09 AM

23. Trump cited Bill Clinton as a recent President he (Trump) liked, not either Bush.

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Response to Chan790 (Reply #20)

Wed Jul 15, 2015, 09:13 AM

35. Ditto.

 

IMO, no good could come of it and, if anything, I imagine mixed messaging being the result.

You can't have a genuine champion of the working woman/man in the lead role while the second in command is so friendly with the wealthy and powerful.

It makes no sense.

Apologies to her supporters.

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Response to demwing (Original post)

Sun Jul 12, 2015, 08:26 AM

21. Politically, Sanders and Hillary should not be the top of the same ticket

Politically, the ticket should strive for balance.

Aside from the years she spent in Arkansas because that was Bill's state, Hillary is either from Illinois, which is not awful as balance, but remote in time, or from New York. Overall, she is a D.C. insider. Sanders is from Vermont and also D.C. insider, though an indie for most of the time and, in some ways sui generis.

In age, Hillary will turn 70 during year 1 of that administration and 73 in year 4--and that's only term one, while Bernie will turn 76 and 80, respectively. Not much diversity there, either.

Both are white. I think it's time for someone of color in the Vice President spot. Going on demographics alone, I would have a small preference for Hispanic.

The only diversity on a Sanders Hillary ticked or a Hillary Sanders ticket would be gender.

Moreover, why would either one of them WANT to be vice President?

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Response to demwing (Original post)

Sun Jul 12, 2015, 12:35 PM

22. Absolutely no Clinton in the White House. She was a disaster as Sec. of State, a rich self-promoting

shill for Wall Street who cannot be counted on when needed to improve the quality of life of American workers.

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Response to demwing (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:20 AM

27. 1. No

2. No

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Response to demwing (Original post)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:23 AM

29. I'd vote for a Sanders/Clinton ticket

 

With enthusiasm!

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Response to Android3.14 (Reply #29)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 08:31 AM

30. I'd rather see Sanders with Gillebrand or, better, a woman of color.

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Response to merrily (Reply #30)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:06 AM

31. I agree

 

But mollifying the Clinton crowd is going to be a major hurdle.

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Response to Android3.14 (Reply #31)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 12:34 PM

32. Why would Hillary even want to be Sanders VP?

Not as though it's going to help her take the Oval Office at some future date.

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Response to merrily (Reply #32)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 01:25 PM

33. Why would anyone want to be the VP?

 

Possible reasons:

Hillary would be the first female VP
Increased access to power
Increased speaking fees

All reasons it might be good for her, but not for us.


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Response to merrily (Reply #32)

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 02:04 PM

34. If she sees no value to serve her country as the VP...

 

Then I guess we know how well we can rely on Ms. Clinton.

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